disgruntled employe Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Hi, I’m new here; due to my general dislike of forums and all the trolling/spamming/un-healthy $41t that they all seem to hold, I will try to make this sweet and to the point. (kind of like Sweet and Sour chicken) After reading the new Whiteknight interview I was shocked at two statements that I think are a big mistake if not done in GRAW PC/XBOX versions. “Is there only FPV in MP? If there are other views, can the server force the view? There is no 3rd person or OTS view in GRAW for PC in either SP or MP games. It is all 1st person.†“Will GRAW feature nothing but urban maps or will we have some open terrain to have firefights on? If you mean empty woods with no inhabitants no. GRAW is urban and ranges from things like shantytowns to dense city environments. I know people are afraid urban will mean less options of approach to a goal but it is rather the opposite. The missions cater to open areas like parks and more wooded terrain but not pure jungle as Far Cry or such.†(I’m not asking for FarCry here, but MP levels to that of GR2 are a must!) These two may influence me more then anyone else in here, and I say this because of my situation; I am a maturing gamer (at the tail end of my gaming years) and an old gamer vet of 26. As you might imagine @ 26 i have seen my large share of great games, crappy games and in-betweens, this brings me to the fact that I am very jaded and as RL responsibilities get heavier and heavier I have to become more and more selective with my involvement in the game world. As this scenario gets more and more one sided I found a little gem that helped keep me grounded in the wonderful world of coded reality - "XBOX Ghost Recon 2" The 2 features in GR2 that influenced me to get the game and waste my precious time on them are; The open ended environments (large Forest Levels and other great MP maps) and the "TPWV" (Third person weapon view) These are a perfect combination that GR2 had as large wooded areas brought me into a new aspect of combat seldom seen in other similar type games and the 3rd person view aka "TPWV" sealed the deal as the view of my Ghost further helped suck me into the game play (It gives me a fresh new perspective if you will - pun intended) as I develop a pseudo emotional attachment to my Ghost since I can physically see/hear and mentally connect to his actions via the visuals provided by the external view. (A much fresher/nicer implementation then just straight 1st Person View) I was much crushed to see GR2 not making it to PC but then when GR3 was announced I was very excited again, until I read this new interview that is. If these 2 must have (for me) features are not in GR3 xbox360/pc versions then I am sadly determined to shelf them quickly after the SP campaign is over. We all know SP is the sweet cherry sitting on top of the yummy MP banana split. Id like to thank Redstorm for without them "Project IGOR" would not be what it is today. P.S. I’m sorry it meant to be short and sweet… /me runs back to America’s Army Edited September 11, 2005 by disgruntled employe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake@War Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I tend to agree with you to some extent. They should have given people the option of OTS/FPV/FPWV. (But servers the option to force certain views.) I also KNOW that the community will create woodland and open maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Dang it when I saw his username I kinda hoped he was an ex-developer come to dish the dirt with some exclusives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake@War Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I thought that for a sec too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled employe Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Sorry to disappoint Rocky, but I sure would like to get into the Biz Edited September 11, 2005 by disgruntled employe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 The GRAW console versionss will have a modified OTS view. The big thing about the new view is that you will not be able to see around corners or objects like you could in GR2. Community reaction to how badly it was implemented and the advantages gained (one of the reason why PC gamers lobbied RSE hard to have it removed to begin with) by using it had RSE rethink it and do a redsign of it to take away those advantages. For the record, I am 44 and am still playing PC games as many here are over the 35 year age group. Many here are also either active or previous military (somethng about RSE games that drew them in) and enjoy how things were done with GR. Even some of the younger members here like how it had been with the original both PC and console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortfeaser Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I am a maturing gamer (at the tail end of my gaming years) and an old gamer vet of 26. ← that is all I have to say about that As you might imagine @ 26 i have seen my large share of great games, crappy games and in-betweens, this brings me to the fact that I am very jaded ← what a grizzled veteran you are. I could see that thousand yard gamer stare even before I clicked your post. When nine out of the ten voices in your head are helping you select your weapons kit, you can be worried. until then, you have many years of gaming fun ahead. grasshopper, you have much to learn. Sinsai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Id say he is going to be lynched cos of most of those comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 - I'm coming on 29, should I be thinking of taking on old man bowls or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calius Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Isnt the direct answer to this thread ... "Just get the console version then". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[WOLF]Lizard Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Dude ... I just turned 29. You're comments are leading me to believe that either you think that all gamers are kids under the age of 12 or that you think I'm too old to be playing video games. In Both cases you are very wrong. Edited September 12, 2005 by [WOLF]Lizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Just thought, what does that mean for WK? So bearing that in mind, are there any modders willing to design WK a zimmerframe for use in GR3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I don't like the option for OT view and glad it's not there.... Reason being in MP it gives the player the ability to see things they should not, depending on the camera angle and resolution (in the pc the resolution can be changed) I think this is the reason it isn't. Also Seing your whole character does not make it as personal as looking through your characters eyes. Specially if you get shot and spin around (in FPV it would make you dizzy like you have been shot)(in OT your character would just spin, not the same effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled employe Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 LOL tnx for hatin on my age comment. I guess I should elaborate by saying at 26 im at my bussy time of my life, the time where I should be starting a family, getting married, buying a house, and spending time polishing my profesional skills, (not in that perticular order) instead of using my free time to play games... Once I get couple of those things figured out then I can see myself getting back to it. You can hate me or not for what I say, I don't care either way.. As far as 3rd person view, I hope they make it a server setup mode, I dont know what it is about 3rd person view but I just enjoy it more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Just enjoying pulling your leg m8ty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Just thought, what does that mean for WK? So bearing that in mind, are there any modders willing to design WK a zimmerframe for use in GR3? ← I ain't in need of a walker just yet. I probably walk more than anyone else here, remember, I don't own a car. Back on topic now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled employe Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 ######.... /me yells in the Napoleon Dynamite voice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calius Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) LOL tnx for hatin on my age comment. I guess I should elaborate by saying at 26 im at my bussy time of my life, the time where I should be starting a family, getting married, buying a house, and spending time polishing my profesional skills, (not in that perticular order) instead of using my free time to play games... ← Oh no not that im going to be hitting 30 soon rubbish. I should be starting a family, getting married, buying a house, and spending time polishing my profesional skills, Well depends if you living up to the peer pressure of society & family mate. I dont think when I fell out of my mothers womb 31 years ago I waited 26 years with strict instructions for any of the above LOL. Its a myth mate .. enjoy who YOU are and do what YOU want ... age is a bunch of numbers, dont believe the hype! On topic again .... Optional to switch off for MP and SP then ok have it in, but not that many round here would worry if it isn't in. Edited September 12, 2005 by calius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=warcloud= Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Hi everyone My first post here.I am looking forward to GR:AW on the PC, i have great faith that this game will be awesome.I played Ghost Recon, DS, and IT for ages, to me it was the best war game out.I do prefer the fpwv in fps.Man i wish i was 26 again, i not too long ago thought to myself...is it time to hang up the mouse?Not a chance, what with the technology of today, hardware plus the software (games) to good to miss out on man.I don't think i'll ever grow out of gaming, everything i wanted to see in games is here and it's getting better and greater, the graphics and gameplay is the best it has been, well that's what i think.At 43 life is great.I think i remember reading an article somewhere on the net that said 25% of gamers are over 40, how true that is i dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZJJ Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I think i remember reading an article somewhere on the net that said 25% of gamers are over 40, how true that is i dunno. Let's see what the stats say from 2003. The ESA, formerly the Interactive Digital Software Association (IDSA), found an increase in the number of 50+ game players at 17 percent — up from 13 percent in 2000 — with the average gaming age at 29. The average age of the gamer in 2000 was 28. Who's Playing Games?  Computer Games Video Games Under 18 29.7% 37.9% 18-35 28.7% 39.5% 35+ 41.6% 22.7% Male 58.1% 71.5% Female 41.9% 28.5% Source: ESA Women over the age of 18 and older make up a larger percentage of the gaming population — 26 percent — than boys aged 6-to-17 (21 percent), and girls aged 6-to-17 account for 12 percent of all gamers. Not surprisingly, males over the age of 18 represent the largest group of gamers at 38 percent. The table is hard to read, but I'm sure you guys can make it out. If not, click here. 2005 Essential Facts - Check it out! 55% are male gamers 43% are female gamers Women over the age of 18 represent a greater portion of the game-playing population (28%) than boys from age 6 - 17 (21%). Average age of gamers is 30 years old. Age of game players 35% under age 18 43% between 18 and 49 19% over age 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled employe Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 Hi everyone My first post here.I am looking forward to GR:AW on the PC, i have great faith that this game will be awesome.I played Ghost Recon, DS, and IT for ages, to me it was the best war game out.I do prefer the fpwv in fps.Man i wish i was 26 again, i not too long ago thought to myself...is it time to hang up the mouse?Not a chance, what with the technology of today, hardware plus the software (games) to good to miss out on man.I don't think i'll ever grow out of gaming, everything i wanted to see in games is here and it's getting better and greater, the graphics and gameplay is the best it has been, well that's what i think.At 43 life is great.I think i remember reading an article somewhere on the net that said 25% of gamers are over 40, how true that is i dunno. ← I can just imagine you as the "Comic Book Guy" from Simpsons.... Best Game Ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRP 56 Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Age of game players 35% under age 18 43% between 18 and 49 19% over age 50 ← Looks like over 50 and your gaming days are numbered. I better play all I can as I don't have much time left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSebastian Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Hell I just turned 50 and I have been playing puter games since they were typed adventure games in DOS, lol before we made the quantum leap to EGA graphics!!!!!!!!!! Lol when Leasure suit Larry came out (in 1989 or thereabouts) it crashed the office server cause we had it so full of game saves! Lol in those days multiplayer meat over the office Lan with the tech guys in the lab, and other sales guys in the office, or my son by Null modem cable from my PC in the lounge to his PC in his bedroom. Played nearly every flight sim that has ever come out and was playing lan connected fliight sim games since 1989, and a big game was 150kbs!!. So what!!!!!!!! I dont understand why age is even a topic of conversation, you either a gamer or u aint regardless of age. Only diff now is I can afford a pc better than my old 286!!!!!!! but a kid of 16's money is the same colour as mine. The only thing WK and I can use a zimmer frame for is melting it down to make ammo. If yr a gamer then yr a gamer till u die. JF Edited September 12, 2005 by JFSebastian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Yeah I agree. In fact from knowing a lot of people in the GR scene, I reckon most of them are between 25-40. It doesn't matter what your age is, as online it means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 The only thing WK and I can use a zimmer frame for is melting it down to make ammo. If yr a gamer then yr a gamer till u die. JF ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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