RooK Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I'd buy a SCAR and even an XM8 if HK made one for civilian use (they'd gain some respect back from me) so long as that kept it in the <$1500 bracket sans optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militiaman Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 The 10 millimeter is a vicious round. Nice handgun Rook. I don't think Heckler and Koch sells too many of their rifles to civilians (I think it is because many firearms have been banned from U.S. importation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I want an XCR *hint hint secret Santa* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 lol just reading this thread and then i saw your sig zantar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothicSnake Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 .45 but i really wanna get my hands on a FN57 someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 lol just reading this thread and then i saw your sig zantar ← ROFL ! ! That's priceless !! True, but priceless ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetforce Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 .45 but i really wanna get my hands on a FN57 someday. ← I love that gun. I have gone to the range and continually shot circles around people with it. I am going back up to FN to do some coordination in the near future and am looking forward to seeing what else they have up their sleeves. Companies are always expanding. We just did spent time with Surefire and they are making some of the best suppressors on the market. They even claim that due to tight manufacturing tolerances, their product INCREASES accuracy. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 (edited) I talked to a guy at a gun range last week, and he said that he had heard that Remington is supposed to put out some potent civilian legal ammo. Now of course this is something I'm hearing from someone I just met at a range, and he heard it from..... Let's just say that I'm not holding my breath, but if Remington does put this stuff out, then at only $800, I'll be picking up one of these little toys right away. The trigger is real nice for a gun this side of a 1911. I know a guy that works for a local agency, and he just sent off an order for the SS192 ammo on his agency letterhead. He said the next time we go out shooting he will bring some of the stuff out to shoot. Can't wait to see firsthand what it will do to bags filled with water and starch, water bottles, small safes, etc.... Looking forward to warmer weather already. Edited December 14, 2005 by jchung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I have gone to the range and continually shot circles around people sounds dangerous. I know what you ment thoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Me and my dad stopped by the gun shop this afternoon, I just couldn't pass it up for $270" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicide Commando Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Very nice Rook. Can't really beat that with a $270 price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 27, 2005 Author Share Posted December 27, 2005 270 dollars? How does it shoot? Looks nice and clean. Sounds like you got a deal. I like the Hogue grip. I used to have one just like that on an old Kimber I had. I know most people like the grip on a 1911, but for some reason that is the one thing that I do not like about a 1911. That Hogue grip solved that issue though. Call me crazy, but I really liked the grip on my old Glock 21 .45 ACP. I know, I'm nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 It's reliable so far, but then I haven't found any 200gr Speer HPs to shove through it yet (that will be THE test). As for accuracy, couldn't tell you. It's been too cold or wet (rained again today) to get comfy and shoot for groups with those awful GI sights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 29, 2005 Author Share Posted December 29, 2005 We'll wait to hear back from you RooK. Anyone here have a lot of experience with 10mm 1911's? I have been thinking about getting an Ed Brown or Les Baer in a 10mm, but I have heard that the 10mm cartridge really gives the gun a beating. I guess the steel slide on a steel frame causes more stress? I have never owned a 1911 10mm, and the only 10mm I have shot were a couple Glocks and an STI, but supposedly the polymer frames will absorb some of the shock. However, I question this because even the STI frame is actually steel and the handle is just polymer. Anyone know the actual "facts" on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper_44 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I believe that the Bren 10mm is the ultimate 10mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 29, 2005 Author Share Posted December 29, 2005 I believe that the Bren 10mm is the ultimate 10mm ← Eh, your just a Don Johnson Fanboy. Yeah, I have heard quite a bit on it, but I have actually never fired one, and I'm not sure I would want one to shoot everyday, as parts might be difficult to come by at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 We'll wait to hear back from you RooK. Anyone here have a lot of experience with 10mm 1911's? I have been thinking about getting an Ed Brown or Les Baer in a 10mm, but I have heard that the 10mm cartridge really gives the gun a beating. I guess the steel slide on a steel frame causes more stress? I have never owned a 1911 10mm, and the only 10mm I have shot were a couple Glocks and an STI, but supposedly the polymer frames will absorb some of the shock. However, I question this because even the STI frame is actually steel and the handle is just polymer. Anyone know the actual "facts" on this? ← http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/10tech.html That should be helpful. I've even considered doing a 10mm swap on my RIA, with a new slide. It would be tempting if I could fit the slide/barrel myself. Got any info on that? Whisper, there is a reason the Bren Ten isn't made anymore. It had 'teething' problems that were never quite fixed. If you can afford one of those that do exist, more power to you, but most modern 10mms are infinately better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 29, 2005 Author Share Posted December 29, 2005 Thanks RooK there are some good bits of info in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper_44 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Teething problems understood Rook, to jchungs post, it was more of an attempt to ad some levity to the thread without it straying too far off-topic. Excellent link by the way, it was very informative, ad for your handfit question? Can't help you there, sorry. I know that SPW/Olympic Retail Catalog (pistol barrels on page 64) does some slides and barrels in 10mm, unsure if they handfit their kits themselves or will let you do the work? Might be worth looking in to, I can PM an name and email address to their marketing/service guy if you are interested, he's always been very helpful, and prompt with any responses. He too is a 10mm collector, so he may also have some other suggestions for you? Of course there is always the Kimber Desert Warrior in 10mm from the Custom Shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I haven't got the money for an expensive 1911, otherwise I'd bought a Dan Wesson Razor. Retrofitting a slide/barrel should be less than $500. Besides, it would be fun to build it myself. Sure, send them an email and ask. I haven't looked at the catalog yet to see what they offer, but a 6" barrel and possibly 6" slide would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper_44 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I haven't got the money for an expensive 1911, otherwise I'd bought a Dan Wesson Razor. Retrofitting a slide/barrel should be less than $500. Besides, it would be fun to build it myself. Sure, send them an email and ask. I haven't looked at the catalog yet to see what they offer, but a 6" barrel and possibly 6" slide would be perfect. ← PM inbound to you with an email address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Anyone here shoot a .357 Sig? A buddy of mine has an HK .357 and I have always enjoyed shooting that gun. The round seems to have very good power, and it seems to have a very hight ballistic coefficient as the bullet drop seems to be very minimal compared to a lot of other ammo we shoot. I'm just always left wondering if it is nothing more than a glorified hyper 9mm. I have also shot a Glock .357 with the same results as the Hk of course, but when shooting softer targets the .45 and 10mm appear to create much more damage, and even a .40 S&W seems to be comparable if not a better round. Now of course the heaviest .357 round we shot was a 147gr, while the .40 S&W was a 165gr. Does anyone here have a good bit of experience with this round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I played with my cousin's S&W Simga in .357 for a bit. The gun was terrible as far as feel/trigger, but it functioned fine. I loved the cartridge though. The thing to remember with the Sig is it maches the .357 mag in velocity of light bullets, like the 125gr. Get they heavier ones and velocities drop fast. It's meant for flesh work, not barrier penetration. I'd still go with a properly loaded 10mm or .38 Super instead, or even (dare I say?) 9x25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 I played with my cousin's S&W Simga in .357 for a bit. The gun was terrible as far as feel/trigger, but it functioned fine. I loved the cartridge though. The thing to remember with the Sig is it maches the .357 mag in velocity of light bullets, like the 125gr. Get they heavier ones and velocities drop fast. It's meant for flesh work, not barrier penetration. I'd still go with a properly loaded 10mm or .38 Super instead, or even (dare I say?) 9x25. ← Yeah, I'd have to agree with that assessment. Now as far as the 9X25 goes, I'm assuming you meant 9X23? Although if there is a new 9X25 round how does it fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper_44 Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 The first rifle we will introducing in the 5.7mm caliber is a upper receiver for the AR15. It uses the 50 round magazines and features a true free float barrel, picitinny rails and more. The recoil springs are contained in the upper receiver. Price estimated to be $550 from the dealer. The second rifle will be more traditional than the R22 yet still utilize a free float barrel for high accuracy capabilities. The rifle will use the standard pistol magazines in 10 or 20 rounds and feature a 17" button made barrel. Priced around $500 Rhineland Arms Under the Rifles Section 5.7*28mm Interesting to say the least..any ideas/thoughts on what the 17" barrel will do to velocity? With the magazine on the top, the spent casings will drop straight out the magwell if ammo becomes less cost prohibitive, this might be a fun little toy, especially with 50rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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