pz3 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Listen to this. You know I always hear these great stories of people using firearms to defend themselfs but never have had any one I known personally have to do it. Well I caught up with a old neighbor of mine and this is what happened.... This is how the story goes........ Ill rename him Ray to keep it somewhat private. Ray runs a business here locally. One night one of his employees went out back to smoke a cigarette and was jumped by a guy. This man beat him black and blue and did it for no apparent reason. After that incident the owner of the store told Ray to escort his employees out during smoke breaks and to keep a pistol by his side for protection (not concealed). One night right after coming out the back door ray and the fellow employee were being charged at by a man that came out from behind a dumpster. The crook pulled a weapon and started making demands. In a split second Ray took the crook by surprise. The crook took off running and disappeared into the night. Ray doing what was best called the cops and let them know what was going on. The crook in this case went clear across town to admit himself into a hospital under the story that he was a victim of a drive by shooting. Well that was no suprise to the police. The man was arrested shortly after. Ends up Ray fired 3 shots and 2 were hits. 2 men are alive today to tell the tale and 1 crook is in jail. I <3 Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper_44 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Love a happy ending!! Good Story Joe We had a similar story make the news here last year, a teenage girl went in to rob a Hollywood video at gunpoint, a patron inside was carrying concealed, drew on her, and "advised" her to drop her weapon, she fired, missing, and he returned in kind, she went down, and her friends in the car outside, took off (go figure). Her injuries were non-life threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Good story. But I still hate FL, lol. Sucky weather. I lived in Jax for 9 years, bleh. Anyway, I firmly believe in self-defense, and if baddies are willing to use a gun, then I have the right to keep one to even the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Those are good stories. Always good to hear that law abiding citizens are defending themselves against thugs. It reminds me of a story that was posted on the NRA site. A woman was working at her service counter in a Walmart when her crazed ex shows up with a knife and jumps over the counter and begins stabbing her. An elderly gentleman drew his pistol and shot the guy killing him on the spot. The woman was taken to the hospital where she recovered from her wounds. I really hate the mentality of passive citizens that only try to pursue criminals AFTER a crime has happened. If a person tries to kill me, I would not want to die and have them serve time in prison, I want them to be stoppped BEFORE they can kill me. Give criminals what they deserve, a taste of their own medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) Some more local stories. Sun-Sentinel, Fort Lauderdale, FL, 05/30/06 State: fl American Rifleman Issue: 8/1/2006 High school freshman Javaris Granger woke to the sound of his mother's frantic screams and ran to her aid, finding a man slamming a bicycle against the front window in an attempt to break in. Granger yelled at the man to leave while his mother called his father on the phone. She handed him the phone and his father told him to get the guns they used for target shooting and said, "Do what you have to do." When the intruder kicked in the door, Granger fired five shots, and the man fled. A suspect was later apprehended by police and taken to the hospital with two gunshot wounds. His extensive arrest record included a charge of attacking a police officer the day before he allegedly broke into Granger's home. "My husband tried to get everyone to learn the safety of a gun," said Granger's mother. "It paid off." Pensacola News Journal, Pensacola, FL, 03/06/06 State: fl American Rifleman Issue: 6/1/2006 When Edward Lucas, Sr., checked to see why the neighbor's German shepherd was barking in the early morning hours, he found a man trying to break through his door. "I yelled, 'Get out of my house!' but he kept coming," Lucas said. "I was scared to death." The 63-year-old then grabbed a .22-cal. rifle and yelled for his girlfriend to jump out the window and call the police at a neighbor's house. According to police, when the intruder crashed through the door, Lucas shot at him at least four times. The assailant, who had 14 criminal convictions including seven felonies, died on the scene. Florida Today, Melbourne, FL, 02/22/06 State: fl American Rifleman Issue: 6/1/2006 Police were still investigating an odd string of events that ended with a home invasion. Witnesses said the intruder approached at least four homes, banging on and breaking windows and jumping over chain-link fences before breaking through Pete Frinks' front door. "It's scary that he would do this in broad daylight, knowing people are in the house," said a neighbor. Police say the man approached Frinks, who later described the intruder as acting "aggressively" and "irrationally." In fear of his life, Frinks grabbed a handgun and shot his assailant in the chest, killing him. supposibly theres millions of stories like this. Edited December 7, 2006 by Prozac360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Florida's new law actually not only protects your right to self-defense, but renders you forever immune from any and all liability, if the police find that you were lawful in your use of force against intruders. So when that punk breaks into your house or tries to carjack you and you kill him, his family can't sue you for a damned penny, if the police find you to have been justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 I dunno about you para but I remember going to a gunshow right after that law was passed and a guy comes up over the intercom to announce the law went into effect. Everyone in the building cheered and clapped. Was pretty nice man a gunshow sounding like a football stadium =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 supposibly theres millions of stories like this. According to government statistics, there are over 1 million discharges per year in self defense. I have heard people say 2+ million, but that may be an exaggeration. Regardless, over 1 million is plenty. any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Florida's new law actually not only protects your right to self-defense, but renders you forever immune from any and all liability, if the police find that you were lawful in your use of force against intruders. So when that punk breaks into your house or tries to carjack you and you kill him, his family can't sue you for a damned penny, if the police find you to have been justified. Man, Florida is sounding better and better all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 supposibly theres millions of stories like this. According to government statistics, there are over 1 million discharges per year in self defense. I have heard people say 2+ million, but that may be an exaggeration. Regardless, over 1 million is plenty. No, over 1 million is too many IMO. Would it not be better to have 0 discharges per year, as a result of 0 break-ins/assaults/rapes/murders? It's good that you have the right to defend yourself (Here, if I find anyone in my house I have a couple of water pistols and a marshmallow gun to hand, nothing more lethal I'm afraid! ), but not that you should actually need to use it methinks, but whatever, just my $0.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 declaration of rights for UK supposibly was found. If law is challenged in court using this document you may very well have pistol shooting sports again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 AFAIK shooting sports were banned after Dunblane, of course only the people who legally owned pistols handed them in. The sort of person (i.e criminal) who either didn't hold their pistol legally, or kept it for purposes other than sport didn't bother, and still don't. That said, it's certainly a lot harder to get hold of a gun over here now - I must admit I sorta miss going into Wal-Mart and going past the clothes section with all the clothes on display, the computer section and counter with loads of PC stuff, the drugs counter, the toys section with stacks of stuff, then the gun section just like all the other departments! Ah, happy days lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 No, over 1 million is too many IMO. Would it not be better to have 0 discharges per year, as a result of 0 break-ins/assaults/rapes/murders? It's good that you have the right to defend yourself (Here, if I find anyone in my house I have a couple of water pistols and a marshmallow gun to hand, nothing more lethal I'm afraid! ), but not that you should actually need to use it methinks, but whatever, just my $0.02. In an ideal world Dickie, yes, but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. It sure would be nice to just leave your car unlocked, houses unlocked, etc... Crime stinks. AFAIK shooting sports were banned after Dunblane, of course only the people who legally owned pistols handed them in. The sort of person (i.e criminal) who either didn't hold their pistol legally, or kept it for purposes other than sport didn't bother, and still don't. According to NCIS statistics there are over 4 million illegal firearms in England. You are certainly right that the criminal will ALWAYS find a way to get a gun. That said, it's certainly a lot harder to get hold of a gun over here now - I must admit I sorta miss going into Wal-Mart and going past the clothes section with all the clothes on display, the computer section and counter with loads of PC stuff, the drugs counter, the toys section with stacks of stuff, then the gun section just like all the other departments! Ah, happy days lol. Heck, if you are near an urban or densely populated suburban area, you can't even buy BBs in most department stores nowdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 supposibly theres millions of stories like this. According to government statistics, there are over 1 million discharges per year in self defense. I have heard people say 2+ million, but that may be an exaggeration. Regardless, over 1 million is plenty. No, over 1 million is too many IMO. Would it not be better to have 0 discharges per year, as a result of 0 break-ins/assaults/rapes/murders? It's good that you have the right to defend yourself (Here, if I find anyone in my house I have a couple of water pistols and a marshmallow gun to hand, nothing more lethal I'm afraid! ), but not that you should actually need to use it methinks, but whatever, just my $0.02. Yeah, if we all lived in Wonderland, where there is no crime. Unfortunately for all of us, we don't live in Wonderland. We live in the real world, where dumbasses rape, rob, and steal. We shouldn't need to defend ourselves from other human beings, but we do. So it's sort of pointless to opine about a world with no crime. That world will never exist, regardless of what the BHO's (Bleeding Heart Liberals) would like to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Florida's new law actually not only protects your right to self-defense, but renders you forever immune from any and all liability, if the police find that you were lawful in your use of force against intruders. So when that punk breaks into your house or tries to carjack you and you kill him, his family can't sue you for a damned penny, if the police find you to have been justified. We already have this in NC, and it's VERY comforting. When I'm home, all seven guns are loaded and only need to have a round chambered. My mom and my sis are all I have left, and I'd do anything to protect them. Man, Florida is sounding better and better all the time. Yeah, if you like gobs of old people, the worst weather the south has to offer, high cost of living and the only Yankee state in the south. Sorry, gotta rip on FL just a little. I'm so glad I moved, haha. Actually, Florida is a nice state to live, if you're willing to brave the weather (Extreme Heat, High Humidity and Hurricanes). The beaches are great (Especially Atlantic side imo). And the state has such a great history (St. Augustine is one of my favorite cities in the country). I'm a firm believer in the right to carry, for law-abiding citizens. Now, when thinking about the man in Wal-Mart shooting the assailant... Doesn't Wal-Mart have a no concealed weapons policy? I'm curious on follow up of this story. What happened to him for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Florida's new law actually not only protects your right to self-defense, but renders you forever immune from any and all liability, if the police find that you were lawful in your use of force against intruders. So when that punk breaks into your house or tries to carjack you and you kill him, his family can't sue you for a damned penny, if the police find you to have been justified. We already have this in NC, and it's VERY comforting. When I'm home, all seven guns are loaded and only need to have a round chambered. My mom and my sis are all I have left, and I'd do anything to protect them. Man, Florida is sounding better and better all the time. Yeah, if you like gobs of old people, the worst weather the south has to offer, high cost of living and the only Yankee state in the south. Sorry, gotta rip on FL just a little. I'm so glad I moved, haha. Actually, Florida is a nice state to live, if you're willing to brave the weather (Extreme Heat, High Humidity and Hurricanes). The beaches are great (Especially Atlantic side imo). And the state has such a great history (St. Augustine is one of my favorite cities in the country). I'm a firm believer in the right to carry, for law-abiding citizens. Now, when thinking about the man in Wal-Mart shooting the assailant... Doesn't Wal-Mart have a no concealed weapons policy? I'm curious on follow up of this story. What happened to him for that? Stores can't tell citizens that they can't carry concealed, as far as I know. They can prohibit employees from carrying, but as far as I know, they have no legal authority to tell citizens whom the state has licensed to carry concealed, that they cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 www.gunguys.com They're apparently opponents of 2nd Amendment (US only, sorry for those of you living abroad... I know little to nothing of your gun laws), and more specifically the issuance of concealed carry permits. Also, if you read their article on the girl here in Fayetteville, NC who was shot (negligent discharge) at the Cross Creek Mall, disregard EVERY opinion they offer on the incident. The guys with her weren't old enough to purchase or possess a handgun lawfully, much less to obtain a concealed carry permit. And the Mall's policy against carrying on the premises is NOT posted in a big sign at every entrance. It's in extremely small print on a poster inside SOME of the entrances, and not in keeping with the spirit of that provision in NC state law. It's one of over 20 policies on that poster. AND none of the posters is visible from outside the mall during daylight hours. But anyhow... That site is vile, repulsive, and evil. Sorta... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Yeah, if we all lived in Wonderland, where there is no crime. Unfortunately for all of us, we don't live in Wonderland. We live in the real world, where dumbasses rape, rob, and steal. We shouldn't need to defend ourselves from other human beings, but we do. So it's sort of pointless to opine about a world with no crime. That world will never exist, regardless of what the BHO's (Bleeding Heart Liberals) would like to believe. I fear I've been misunderstood... No, we don't live in wonderland, we must do as best we can with the real world. It is still sad though that there are people out there who force others to take these measures, in effect they are spreading fear and putting more people's lives at risk through accidental discharges etc. We just have to make the best of the situation I guess, I must admit I wonder if (and this goes for the UK and other countries too btw) it would be a good idea to run courses on what to do in that situation (your house being 'invaded' so to speak), so instead of panicking and freezing, or even panicking and attacking someone who is actually innocent they know how to deal with the situation making it safer for themselves and others? As for saying that world will never exist, we can hope - you never know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 any state with castle doctorin and rights to carry i love. Florida's new law actually not only protects your right to self-defense, but renders you forever immune from any and all liability, if the police find that you were lawful in your use of force against intruders. So when that punk breaks into your house or tries to carjack you and you kill him, his family can't sue you for a damned penny, if the police find you to have been justified. We already have this in NC, and it's VERY comforting. When I'm home, all seven guns are loaded and only need to have a round chambered. My mom and my sis are all I have left, and I'd do anything to protect them. Man, Florida is sounding better and better all the time. Yeah, if you like gobs of old people, the worst weather the south has to offer, high cost of living and the only Yankee state in the south. Sorry, gotta rip on FL just a little. I'm so glad I moved, haha. Actually, Florida is a nice state to live, if you're willing to brave the weather (Extreme Heat, High Humidity and Hurricanes). The beaches are great (Especially Atlantic side imo). And the state has such a great history (St. Augustine is one of my favorite cities in the country). I'm a firm believer in the right to carry, for law-abiding citizens. Now, when thinking about the man in Wal-Mart shooting the assailant... Doesn't Wal-Mart have a no concealed weapons policy? I'm curious on follow up of this story. What happened to him for that? Stores can't tell citizens that they can't carry concealed, as far as I know. They can prohibit employees from carrying, but as far as I know, they have no legal authority to tell citizens whom the state has licensed to carry concealed, that they cannot. Places off-limits while carrying Date updated: Jul 29, 2005 @ 2:18 pm * Schools, public or private, all levels including universities. §14-269.2 * Assemblies and establishments where admission was charged. §14-269.3 * Assemblies and establishments where alcohol is both sold and consumed. §14-269.3 * State Buildings: State Capitol Building, the Executive Mansion, the Western Residence of the Governor, or on the grounds of any of these buildings, and any building housing any court of the General Court of Justice. §14-269.4 * State office buildings or any portion of a building in which there are State offices. §14-415.11© * Law Enforcement or Correctional Facilities. §14-415.11© * Financial Institutions. §14-415.11© * Events Occurring in Public: It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon. §14-277.2 * Areas of emergencies or riots. §14-288.7 * Where notice of carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement. §14-415.11© NC state law. Find info for your state here. Bon apetit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 * Where notice of carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement. §14-415.11© Right, this is what I'm thinking of. The Big "No" sign with the red circle and the slash through it with the hand-gun inside. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Sorry, I was thinking of Florida law. If I remember correctly -- and I may be wrong -- businesses used to be able to do that in Florida, but I don't think they can any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militiaman Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 According to government statistics, there are over 1 million discharges per year in self defense. I have heard people say 2+ million, but that may be an exaggeration. Regardless, over 1 million is plenty. I doubt there are one million discharges per year in self defense. I would wager to say that at least 1,000,000 people a year use a firearm in self defense in the United States of America. Probably about 700,000 of those using a firearm simply present the weapon and the thug runs. So likely only 300,000 people discharge their gun in self defense. That isn't surprising considering the current population of the United States is about 300 million. Simply put, society is safer when when criminals don't know who is armed. In the United States I remember hearing that there is only about one police officer for every one thousand people. Police cannot be reasonably relied on to protect the common citizen. It isn't their job. Their job is to keep the general peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 According to government statistics, there are over 1 million discharges per year in self defense. I have heard people say 2+ million, but that may be an exaggeration. Regardless, over 1 million is plenty. I doubt there are one million discharges per year in self defense. I would wager to say that at least 1,000,000 people a year use a firearm in self defense in the United States of America. Probably about 700,000 of those using a firearm simply present the weapon and the thug runs. So likely only 300,000 people discharge their gun in self defense. That isn't surprising considering the current population of the United States is about 300 million. Simply put, society is safer when when criminals don't know who is armed. In the United States I remember hearing that there is only about one police officer for every one thousand people. Police cannot be reasonably relied on to protect the common citizen. It isn't their job. Their job is to keep the general peace. Not exactly, Firearms are used in self defense about 2.5 million times per year. Now of course just like you said the majority of these times the gun is not discharged, but the number of discharges are far more than 300,000. Remember that guns are Four times more likely to be used in self defense, than in a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Remember that guns are Four times more likely to be used in self defense, than in a crime. I'm not challenging you... I just want to know the source on this so I can use this figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Remember that guns are Four times more likely to be used in self defense, than in a crime. I'm not challenging you... I just want to know the source on this so I can use this figure! Ruin, the best place to look is the DOJ's website. They have complete breakdown for all crime statistics. All firearm-related deaths are reported, and then separated into categories, such as justifiable homicide, suicide, accidental discharges, homicide, etc. You may find it interesting to note that firearms are used in approximately 0.01% of all violent crimes in America. Now compare that with the staggering fact that in fourty percent of all violent crimes, the offender is intoxicated. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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