Ruin Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 I've seen a lot of discussion on the pros and cons of each with thier relation to 3D Games. I've had this 17" CRT for about 5 years now, and it's failing fast. I'll be loucky if I I get more than 6 more months out of it, so it's time to do some research. I hate the bulk of this thing, it's such a pain, I'd much rather have an LCD monitor if I can, but will that be a problem? Do any of you use LCDs with GR on a PC like mine (check Sig)? Do you get the "ghosting" everyone talks about? Is there a way around this Ghosting through refresh rates? When I look for the monitor I want, what things am I going to be looking for? What's a good Dot pitch for example. And of course, how much? TIA Guys, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR6 Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Here's my humble opinion CRT's Pros: - Relatively cheap now, you can get a 19" flat screen for cheaper than a 15" LCD - Better if you like to do photo editing because rich colors, sharp at any resolution - Fast refresh rates for gaming and watching movies - Good viewing angle Cons: - Takes up lots of space on your desk, heavy to move around LCDs Pros: - Small desktop footprint, they just look more awesome on your desk - Recent LCDs with 16-25ms refresh rate is acceptable with most 3D games and movies, I've never personally noticed much ghosting - Newer models approaching quality of CRTs, but must use it at default resolution Cons: - Only one default resolution that looks best. If you need to reduce resolution (like a newer 3D game that taxes your video card) the images don't look very sharp. So if you get a 17" LCD and above, make sure the games you play can run smooth with your Radeon 9500 at 1280x1024 for the best image. I've mainly recommended Samsung LCDs to friends in the past year because they have the best price/performance ratio. They are not always rated the very best (Sharp and Dell have taken top honors) but Samsung makes their own TFTs, so they can sell them for cheaper. They also have the nice thin edge frame so they look really good on your desk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Ruin, I'll advise you to go with a good flat screen CRT. I've been using a ViewSonic ViewPanel VG171 LCD, I don't really care for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 3D specs don't work with LCDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardRock Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 There are 12ms out now.. and they work very nice with 3d games. 500 to 1 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XavierOnasis Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 LCDs are artifacty. Nature of the beast. You'd be loucky to have smooth graphics with one. A CRT is morst liekly the best chois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Driver Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 I have an HP Pavilion f1703 and i love it. Its an LCD monitor. I have no ghosting, no lag on any games. The graphics looks smoooooth, and run fast. Did i mention i actually have a desk now? well not really anymore but the first day i put the monitor down i had a desk, now the space removed by the crt to lcd move is now covered in papers lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks guys. It looks like the verdict is a Flat Screen CRT for what I need (PC Games and Photo/Image Editing). Now the next step. What brand? I want a decent 17" (maybe higher) for relatively cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 This one seems like a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Driver Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Any viewsonice monitor will do you good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 This one seems like a good choice. Thanks man. Seems like a good deal. Can anyone else help me out with this speecific model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR6 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Ruin, if you have the desk space, seriously consider getting a 19". The extra screen real estate definitely comes in handy for multiple windows while doing Photo/Image editing, etc. You probably will pay less now for a 19" than what you paid years ago for you 17", and you have to use your new monitor for a few more years, so it's worth the investment if you are a serious computer user. I currently use a 19" ViewSonic CRT (old PS790) for my main rig. (I have a LCD for my wife's system as she only does 2D stuff.) For CRTs, I've had good luck with ViewSonics. They have good support too. I once had a problem with a 17" E70f, and they sent me a G75f (higher end model) to replace it My criteria are: - .25 dot pitch or less. - 1600x1200 resolution should still do at least 72Hz refresh rate (less eye strain) - Flat screen (less distortion at the edges) You may pay more for the above specs, but if you sit in front of your system hours a day, it's worth it. Beware of cheap 17" monitors (even by Sony, Samsung, ViewSonic or whoever). It's cheap likely because it can't support higher resolutions, has a low dot pitch or low refresh rate. In the end, you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR6 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 There are 12ms out now.. and they work very nice with 3d games. 500 to 1 . 12ms sounds good, but the LCDs that currently boast this refresh rate are actually bad for 3D/gaming because they are made of PVA matrix. Check this article for more details: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/dis...samsung_12.html Quote "The situation with SyncMaster 172X has become quite mysterious. Notwithstanding the manufacturer’s claims about a 12msec TN matrix, it has a regular PVA matrix. This dramatically changes the range of possible applications: fast TN matrixes suit for gaming monitors, while PVA ones, on the contrary, make a good office monitor, but are quite bad at displaying action-full computer games. Thus, you should consider 172X if you are searching for an office monitor. If you want to buy a SyncMaster 172X for games, I strongly recommend that you check out the matrix type before the purchase." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 Thanks for the info CR6. I'm on the hunt now, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=MM= SHADOW Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Get the IIYAMA E431S, A 17"TFT.. Dont know how much it is in the USA but over here it is very well priced. I waited 2 months to get one of these in stock and am VERY pleased with its performance. Even sold my 19"TFT to get it Heres a few Reviews 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebb Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 I would also recommend getting the 19 inch CRT if you can afford the extra money Ruin, its great for your gaming as well as all that worthy "work" type stuff..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruusher_AS Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 I purchased this Viewsonic CRT monitor model G810b "black and it's extremely nice.... 21" screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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