Ok, so what I am hearing is that you'd like...
1) less enemies/spread out more
2) more open maps
3) options to complete mission with minimal kills/stealth
4) less "god like" aim for the ai
5) smoke to act as more of a shield
Is that right?
There are certainly things that can be done to meet items 1-4 in making a map. Item 5 may be a bit tricky as I recall others have also raised issues with the ai's ability to "see through" smoke.
Let us know more of what you want as the only way I'll learn what people want through people posting what they'd like to see. It really is not easy making a mission that's more than a run and gun possibly the hardest part is planning out what people will enjoy playing - so thanks for the insights and keep posting.
Dav.
Dav i appreciate your responses.I think cutting down enemies and instead concentrating on goood enemy placement is key.I did some map modding for deltaforce Xtreme for a while and that game was also plagued by mapmakers making games for 16+ people.throwing 200 enemies in one small area is easy i want to see someone take the time and really put some thought into there maps.IMO most of these nice maps are being wasted by being an endless shooting gallery.Deltaforce xtreme could get away with this because that game had really dumb enemy ai and just to make it challenging you had to throw 200 or more enemy on the maps.
Graw 2 is a very challenging game and i think 12-16 enemy's per player is plenty with the challenge of the game.If i were to make a map for 2 players i probably wouldnt put more then 32 enemies on a map depending on the size of the map obviously.This game makes you move in such a way were killing 30 enemies is like killing 100 in any other game its not meant to be a straight up shooter.I personally feel that the maps that are available now for download is a contributing factor as to why most wont play this game.We dont want 2-4 players having to deal with 800 enemie ai with 100% hit rate.we want to finish these maps and feel like we have a chance.I like finishing what i start and simply put these maps dont allow you to do that