Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 lol I figured I would post this for old times sake...http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/ if you thought AMD was leading before....there should be no doubt they aren't any more. The top one is nearly a 2GHz OC! HOLY CRAP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteKnight77 1 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Fact, with any phase-change cooling set-up, extreme OCing can be done no matter what the CPU. Prometeia Mach II systems bring the CPU temp down into the sub zero range and can cause condesation if a heater isn't added. There is no way a watercooled PC can attempt to get that large of an OC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Author Share Posted July 9, 2003 (edited) It's obvious you have been out of the overclocking world for awhile. The XP2500+(Barton core) was the closest competitor to the P4 for awhile. Many OC'ers were trying to choose which to get.(Many have phase chang cooling setups) But now this proves the P4 is the winner. Bartons have been hooked up to Prometia's before and they can't get NEAR a 2GHz OC. BTW-I know all about Phase Change cooling systems, no need to educate me on them. Fact, with any phase-change cooling set-up, extreme OCing can be done no matter what the CPU. Also that's not true. While temperature is a leading bottleneck for OC's, its not near as important as getting the RAM and cpu ratio perfectly matched and that 3.2 was an ES I do believe. Edited July 9, 2003 by Stinger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteKnight77 1 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 While I have dabbled with overclocking, I don't as a rule. Go find the MaximumPC from serveral months ago and read up about it. I will lock this thread to if you decide you want to get argumentative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruin 17 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 It's obvious you have been out of the overclocking world for awhile. Touchy touchy there Stinger. Get the wooden stick out of your chair, and sit down on some nice soft cushioning. Better? I saw Phantom ask in the thread that's now locked, must there be an insult in every post? No need to get snobby about it, some people don't eat, breathe, live and sleep computers. While I have dabbled with overclocking, I don't as a rule. Unless I get loading temps of 30C normally, I wont touch it. Great way to burn out your gear and throw money in the trash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Author Share Posted July 9, 2003 Go find the MaximumPC from serveral months ago and read up about it. I will lock this thread to if you decide you want to get argumentative. Argumentative? Well it was an insult to pretend I was as dumb as you acted like I was. I'm not arguing I'm only pointing out a Fact. Because it didn't go your way doesn't mean you have to threaten to lock it man. Unless I get loading temps of 30C normally, I wont touch it. Great way to burn out your gear and throw money in the trash. Its REALLY REALLY hard to burn/fry via temperatures a pc. Its a common thing most people think of but it is VERY rare unless you aren't decently educated on the subject. I appologize WhiteKnight if my post offended you, it won't happen again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Uh... anyway... A cpu can't just be overclocked to any speed, even with such hardware as Prometeia or VapoChill. The cpu core itself has limits where it just stops going any faster than it will allow, and you get crashes, reboot, etc. Also, up until recently with the introduction of the Nf2, you had to worry about getting your pci slots, agp card and other compenents out of spec. Now you can overclock to the cpu's limit without having to consider other hardware limits since the pci and agp slots are locked at their respective speeds (33 and 66mhz). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yodasplat 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Uh... anyway... A cpu can't just be overclocked to any speed, even with such hardware as Prometeia or VapoChill. The cpu core itself has limits where it just stops going any faster than it will allow, and you get crashes, reboot, etc. ... Correct. If I remember my college classes correctly transistors have a "switching speed" built in. They can't switch on and off faster than they are designed to do. Usually processors have a good safety margin built in (that is why it's possible to overclock them) but if you do that: 1 - you overheat them (as we all know) and 2 - you push the signal coming in the transistor gate closer and closer to the threshold and if you push it too much you will risk that some transistor will not switch correctly which means that some data may be lost or corrupted which brings to crashes. No 2 transistors behave the same in a processor. A lot depend on the way they have been etched on the platform and their relative position to power and heat sources. On average you have the same behaviour but if you push the overclocking some of them might choke on the extra speed if the conditions are right and the more you push the more chances you will have that one of the transistors will have a bad day and corrupt your data. This is what I remember from years ago. Technology has advanced a lot but if they are still using semiconductor technology these rules should still apply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Author Share Posted July 9, 2003 The "C" series of Intel's new cpu's on the 800MHz bus have just been real good oc'ers 2.4's even do great. Its like the days of the 1700+ again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russian Assasian 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 The leader isnt AMD OR Intel, yes apple is the leader in the best processors. Just look at the Power Mac G5 with a 64 bit processor. The first in its class. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Super-Bob 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 The leader isnt AMD OR Intel, yes apple is the leader in the best processors. Just look at the Power Mac G5 with a 64 bit processor. The first in its class. It is its own class. When was the last time some besides apple made a mac? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 (edited) Apple doesn't make those cpu's, IBM does. And for what it's worth, AMD and IBM are working together on cpu and transistor technology (IBM is even supposedly building AMD a fab), so it wouldn't surprise me if that 64bit IBM cpu has some AMD tech in it, ala Operton. Edited July 9, 2003 by RooK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russian Assasian 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Apple doesn't make those cpu's, IBM does. And for what it's worth, AMD and IBM are working together on cpu and transistor technology (IBM is even supposedly building AMD a fab), so it wouldn't surprise me if that 64bit IBM cpu has some AMD tech in it, ala Operton. True, Apple doesnt make those CPUs, but my point was apple has the fastest most advanced CPU out on the market right now. It beats Intel and AMD, until Athlon 64 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Author Share Posted July 9, 2003 (edited) This is about Overclocking dude, how much can you oc a G5 lol But yes they do perform the best in what I have seen. But also look how long it takes for them to be released compared to all the Intel and AMD cpu's. Anyone could turn out a better product if they had more time to work on it. Now that I think about it though, has that G5 been put up to the 64bit Itanium2 with 8MB Cache? I doubt it...My bet is that the I2 would take the G5 easy. That Intel btw Edited July 9, 2003 by Stinger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 You know that you can buy a 64bit Operton at 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8ghz frequencies right now? The 1.4 has been available for months as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russian Assasian 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 This is about Overclocking dude, how much can you oc a G5 lol But yes they do perform the best in what I have seen. But also look how long it takes for them to be released compared to all the Intel and AMD cpu's. Anyone could turn out a better product if they had more time to work on it. Ok, sorry for getting off topic. What you said is very true about apple. It takes them years to make a product, and when a product does come out it gets outdated faster then a Dell with a intergrated graphics card . I for am thinking of getting a Mac Laptop insted of a windows laptop, because gaming isnt number one on my list. @RooK, is an operton faster then a G5? To get back on topic, those intel processors loke very nice. 5.13 GHZ is jaw drooping as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinger 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Author Share Posted July 9, 2003 Ok, sorry for getting off topic. What you said is very true about apple. It takes them years to make a product, and when a product does come out it gets outdated faster then a Dell with a intergrated graphics card . I for am thinking of getting a Mac Laptop insted of a windows laptop, because gaming isnt number one on my list.lol, I imagine I go off topic more than anyone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 No idea, never seen them go head to head. But the 1.4ghz model is way faster than a 1.4ghz Barton, clock for clock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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