WytchDokta 6 Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 I know what your first question will be: "why uninstall XP?" XP just shafted my 'puter that's why. I had to reformat, for some reason I kept getting an error on start up about Windows Explorer, and it wouldn't load. So I reformat yada yada yada.... I reinstall Win 98 cuz u can't install XP from Dos like u do with 98. So when it finished I whacked in my XP CD and started to install it. I chose the "New Installation" option. All goes well until.... My 'puter needs to be restarted (the first restart thingy during XP installation), so it restarts. Tjhen I faced with this Dos screen. It asks me whether I wanna (1) run Win XP Pro setup, or (2) run Windows 98SE So naturally I chose option one (run XP). It does all it's Dos stuff (blue screen with black bar at the bottom). It finishes that and says "Continuing to load Windows", but it don't. All I get is that XP loading screen (the balck XP screen that says "Windows XP - Loading" or whatever), only it's all messed up. All I got is red streaks across the screen and it don't continue set up (it don't continue to load either). Rebooted loadsa times, still the same. I chose option 2 to come back to 98 and post up here. Now I keep getting the black Dos screen asking me if I wanna choose options 1 or 2 on start up. So now for my question(s). Am I able to continue installing XP? If so, how? If not, how do I unistall XP so I don't get the black Dos options screen on start up? (I looked in Add/Remove Programs, Win XP uninstaller ain't in there....) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 (edited) What you have here bro, is your PC thinks its in a dual boot setup, but something went wrong during the upgrade process. If I understand you right, you installed 98 first, then tried to upgrade to XP. Did you also have DOS on the disk as well? You dont need all these on your HDD to run XP. In fact, its better if you dont upgrade at all, but do a clean install of XP. The upgrade disks contain the full OS and dont need the previous OS loaded to install it. It will just want to verify that you have the 98CD. I would also wager that the reason XP shafted your PC the first time is because of the upgrade. THe upgrades from 98 and ME had beaucoup problems because when you upgradeed over the older OS, XP wused parts of the 98 and ME registries, combining it with it's own. Nothing but hassles. Set your BIOS to boot from CD, and on a clean fdisked and formatted drive, install XP. At some point, it will say need to verify your Win98 CD. Just pop it in, it will check it, then pop it out and finish the install. I also recommend that you install Winblows on a partition of its own, so that when and if this happens again, you only have to reload the OS. If you do the upgrade (highly NOT recommended), it will ask if you want to save your current Winblows config. You have to say yes to this, for it to be able to uninstall. As for the black screen, just like any NT based OS, the black boot menu screen always shows up. Its the NT bootloader. It also allows for a multi Winblows boot setup if you run more than one Winblows OS. That is part of XP and you will always get it. Edited June 28, 2003 by phantom110565 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted June 29, 2003 Author Share Posted June 29, 2003 Well ###### this Windows XP POS!! I reformat my 'puter. I then go to BIOS and change my primary boot drive to CDROM and disable the second boot drive (the third one was already disabled). Eager to iget XP up and running, I sanved the setting and exited BIOS. The I rebooted and the XP setup started. Then pops up the blue screen with a black bar on the bottom (you know which one I'm on about?). When that has finished working its magic, I get the old infamous "Black Screen of Death" YET AGAIN!!. All it is is a black screen with red streaks accross it. I think it's a seriously FUBAR version of the XP loading screen. The my 'puter hangs. There's no response from it. No loading, no nothing. Not a thing. So I installed 98, then XP straight over the top of it (using the "Upgrade" option). When XP finishes installation, it works perfick. Everything works man!! !! Oh no, wait a minute. Not everything works properly. I installed my modem and set it up proper, but it don't work. It won't dial out, just gives me some error. When I installed my modem's XP driver it said, the driver wasn't "signed" and so my modem may not work proper. But, in the hardware profiles, it said my modem was working proper. ###### is up with that? It appears that I can install XP if I choose "Upgrade", but the modem is shafted if I do. If I install XP after reformatting and running it from the CDROM drive it don't work.... So, for the time being, I'm sticking to 98. I've done everything I should the way it should be done for XP installation and no luck. Some body help me before I set fire to this POS XP CD!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NurFACE 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 clean boot information http://duxcw.com/faq/win/xp/clean.htm http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 Can you post your puter specs for me, or if not self built, give me a make and model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[Wx] Force 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 on some older model machines running win98 have modem problems reconizing the existing drivers,,just remove the modem and restart yer machine and let the machine find it for you during your set up ,,,,If problems still exists ,,find yourself another 56k/v90datafax modem and replace the older one..less than a hundred bucks most anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rocky 1,224 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 I heard someone say once that their modem did not work with XP, and I know you probably don't want to hear this right now, but XP is generally very good with hardware, the problem is some older items that it is not very good with, I believe. Installing new hardware with XP is a total breeze though. And the OS itself is way ahead of 98, so while I can't offer technical advise, I can hope that you persevere and get XP installed, a clean fresh install, you will not regret it. The funny thing is (trying to lighten things up), is 10 mins ago I was on ICQ trying to convince Pyro Monty to upgrade his OS from 98 to XP. Then I come in here to see you "Well ###### this Windows XP POS!!" lol, bang goes all my hard work convincing Pyro to upgrade. Hope you get it sorted anyway mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 (edited) Actually, if you are here in the States, you can get a 56K, a good one for less than 30.00 US. I also would like to know which video card you have. Your problem is reminiscent of one I have seen before, the latest problem that is. And if you have a spare video card, we can get around it. Ill tell ya how. But I need a little more about your system. As for the drivers being signed, this is not a requirement. Alot of my drivers arent signed. All this means is that the drivers have not been 'certified' by MS yet, meaning that the MS development team hasnt checked them personally and signed off. No big deal. XP has a real thing for Dial Up modems. Only the newest ones are supported. But generally, you can make the older one work if you know who made the chip. XP comes with a whole host of good, generic modem drivers that will run almost any modem. Edited June 29, 2003 by phantom110565 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted June 29, 2003 Author Share Posted June 29, 2003 My modem is a Motorla. Me thinks it's a few years old, so maybe I need to get a new one for it to work in XP. My graphics card is GeForce 4 Ti4600 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NurFACE 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 You can check with motorola and see if they have a driver for xp through tech support. XP is a smooth running OS but old hardware is a weakness. You may be able to get around driver errors by using windows 2000. I did with my scanner so it may work for your modem. Your boot ini file may need some editing but you can learn how through a google search. www.google.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 But, the modem driver isnt what's hosing your install. Im guessing its a video issue. If by some chance you have an older PCI or AGP card, such as a TNT2, try installing that, then reinstalling XP. After the install, re-install your GF4. I WILL get argued with on this point. But there are 2 people that visit here at gr.net, that wil tell you that this is true, and it happens from firsthand experience. It s your call whether you want to try it or not. For the Motorola, one of the generic XP drivers available after install should make the modem work fine. XP has problems with just about all but the latest modem drivers. Its a known issue, but doesnt affect XP installation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 I ain't got old graphics card right now.... I don't see how this could affect my modem though.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 That wont effect your modem, that was concerning the clean XP install. If device manager says your modem is working properly, you have something else going on. Thee is a resource or driver conflict. Id bet driver with a modem that old and XP. Try loading one of the generic modem drivers included with XP. Unsigned drivers dont generally make hardware not work. That just means that MS hasntt verified that they work with XP, and hasnt signed off on them. Better than half the drivers out there arent signed. No big deal. That isnt the problem. Find out who the chip on the modem is made by, then use the generic XP driver for it. That should get it working for ya. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 But there was no drivers for a Motorola modem in the generic modem drivers list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Is that the board manufacturer? You need to see if you can Identify the chip. Also, go to Motorola's website. Most modem mfr's have XP drivers out now. Most modems use a Rockwell chip, and there is one other biggie out there, and I cant remember the name of it. I always use dial up modems with a Rockwell chip though. Thats why the name of the other one escapes me right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 Ok Uncle Phantom, What I gonna do about installing XP? I think I should buy a newer modem. Then use the "upgrade" function. Would XP work proper then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter 0 Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 (edited) You could get a newer modem. AN excellent one is The Diamond Supra 56K. Its setup for V.90 and both 56K protocols. and is only 29.00 US at Best Buy. As I said before, XP will work with the upgrade function, but personally, I wont recommend that route. The XP regisitry retains more than half of the 98 registry when you do that, and they tend not to play well together, as time passes. I would do the clean install. But we need to figure out how to get past the video issue first. Let me see what I can find on that for ya. Edited July 4, 2003 by phantom110565 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted July 4, 2003 Author Share Posted July 4, 2003 Lemme know when u found something.... I gave me old GF2 to me bro who moved out of home recently. Shoulda kept it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McGhost 0 Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 Windows XP is the best O/S yet! Use your cd-rom to install it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WytchDokta 6 Posted July 5, 2003 Author Share Posted July 5, 2003 Did you even read my posts? I did (try to) install it using the cd-rom. As I said, after it gets to the blue screen with the black bar at the bottom, it crashes. Every time. I think it's the graphics card issue uncle Phantom is on about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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