magnumkp Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 I have only ever d/led 2 songs from winmx, and then uninstalled it as I was on 56k and it is pointless. It woul dbe kinda nice to go and get any song anytime of the day or night. I just heard a live set from REM at Glasto this morning and now I want som REM to listen to. Nearest music store is 20 miles away. However, even if I did have higher speed connection I wouldn't d/l anything as I think it is wrong (this is on hindisght having uninstalled mx). We all complain that people d/ling GR or other games hurt us as we paid good money to the developers to go out and make better games. Same with music, if there is no money going into the pockets of EMI, Virgin etc etc, we are bound to be put in a state of pop plastic as they are not willing to risk some cash on Flamin' Lips or Royskopp. I like the mac music idea and I would definately be willing to pay to have that sort of factility as long as it had most of the record labels signed up. I had to wait 3 weeks for a single from Amazon as it was from a little label, if I could get it same day, so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 My advice: Don't share the files. I never do, it slows me down when I download anyway. Yeah, uh, that's pretty crappy advice if you ask me. I didn't did I? Take it or leave it. And I don't think you have any right to bash people in this thread for their stance on it. Ten to one says there's enough idiots out there who WONT know about this and have a large enough system worth sharing we can still get what we need. I don't know if any Kazza users notice the stats at the bottom that say 3 MILLION+ people are online at one time. This isn't exactly a well publiscized move on the part of the Music industry. I watched CNN for about 1/2 hour and never saw it. Probably missed it, but it's not like everyone is talking about it etc etc. I think the people who should get in trouble is the rippers. The one's wo actually convert CD files to MP3 format; Kazza (and other program) users are just sharing the files. I started downloading songs on the internet when I got a max transfer speed of 3KBS on Napster, when finding Legal CDs was hard to do, and the Illegal ones cost just as much. I can understand the companies being furious about this; but the artists? If they're really "all about the music" then they should be thinking "Great! Now people who normally wouldn't get my music can! People who have never ehard of me before can!" I'd be thrilled to have my work out their for people to have and listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnumkp Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 If they're really "all about the music" then they should be thinking "Great! Now people who normally wouldn't get my music can! People who have never ehard of me before can!" I'd be thrilled to have my work out their for people to have and listen to. But they have to pay the bills somehow. Okay a lot of em aren't short of a bob or two but as I said in a previous post it hurts new artists much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannik Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Highly amusing quotes: RIAA President Cary Sherman said that after Thursday, tens of millions of Internet users of popular file-sharing software will be exposing themselves to "the real risk of having to face the music." He said the RIAA plans only to file lawsuits against Internet users in the United States. You mean the DMCA (which gives the RIAA permission to launch civil lawsuits directly in copyright infringement cases) doesn't let you sue people who live outside of the jurisdiction of the law? "It's stealing. It's both wrong and illegal," Sherman said. This is hillarious. It is not stealing, and it is impossible for you to be charged with any manner of theft be file sharing. Theft is criminal, but copyright violation is civil under US and international law. It may be illegal, but it is not stealing. Sherman disputed that consumers, who are gradually turning to legitimate Web sites to buy music legally, will object to the industry's latest efforts against pirates. "You have to look at exactly who are your customers," he said. "You could say the same thing about shoplifters — are you worried about alienating them? Once again, the idea that file sharers are thieves is presented, erroneously and quite deliberately. By trying to convince people that file share that they are criminals, the RIAA is attempting to defraud the public. That, by the way, is illegal. Oh, and did I mention that this is the same RIAA that has recently been found guilty of price fixing CD's between 1995-2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Heh, nice tx for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 (edited) My advice: Don't share the files. I never do, it slows me down when I download anyway. I just want to clear this up in my head. And just so everyone knows, yes, I too download the occassional song, but only the ones that are really hard to find on CD. IE Cat Stevens, Buffalo Springfield, etc.... The older hard to get stuff. But I do share back. Anyway, what bugs me the most I guess, is that there are people who download whatever they want from other people, but are unwilling to share back. File sharing programs have their place. I mean there is lots of older software and files and music that isnt available anymore, but someone has it and is willing to share it. But if you are going to get, you should also give back. I was taught that anything else is called freeloading. But I had a very old fashioned upbringing. I want this to be perfectly crystal clear: This is NOT a personal attack against anyone at all, but my view on the subject in general. Edited June 28, 2003 by phantom110565 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warhawk Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 My quick and easy solution to software piracy is to lower the prices. For example lets say I buy game "A" or music cd "B" at my local store. Lets say "A" cost me around $20 (This is just an example) and "B" we will say $10 ( I haven't bought a music cd in a while). If someone were to approach me and ask for a copy of either one I would direct them to the store where I got it from. In short, the music industry and companies like EA for example are pricing their stuff way to high for some to afford. I know that this is not an excuse and I don't mean it as one. However, (another example) NHL2003 was not worth the 70 some dollars I had to pay for it. There is no reason that an op system should be as much as Phantom's BF (Bill Gates, sorry phantom couldn't resist ) think's it should be. I also think the same way about the music industry. You know full well that with the volumes that they deal in if they are not making their own blank cd's then the company they buy them from are giving them one hell of a discount. As for the rest well we could get into how much is enough. This is not to say that I am anti-big buisness but come on. These same people complaining about programs like kazaa are only mad because they didn't think of it first. The record industry has been ripping off artist for decades but don't forget "that's ok for them". Just my 10 cents worth. Stout Hearts Warhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 I may download tunes here and there, but I look for stuff I already have in other formats IE. vinyl or cassette. My earlier reference for Priest though tongue in cheek (get with me NC) and real doesn't mean I want something I don't already have. I have several JP albums (that I transfered to tape eons ago) that I don't have on CD. People have been sharing music ever since blank tape was made. The music industry tried to get blank tapes outlawed as did the movie industry. Guess what. I can go and buy all the blank tape I want. If I want to let someone borrow a CD and record it onto a tape, what's to stop me? It is no different than borrowing a vinyl album or tape and dubbing it. Sharing stuff has been around since life began. Will the RIAA say we can't share game files for mods via a P2P network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Slaughter Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 (edited) My advice: Don't share the files. I never do, it slows me down when I download anyway. Yeah, uh, that's pretty crappy advice if you ask me. I didn't did I? Take it or leave it. And I don't think you have any right to bash people in this thread for their stance on it. I have every right to voice my opinion, even if it states that i think your advice is ######ty. I love how you right aways lable me as bashing people. Moderator edit for content.I now await my public crucification for my flagrant bashing of poor little Ruin. It's been a slice everybody! I'm sure banning me will reinforce your feelings of self-importance. Proud of you guys! Edited June 29, 2003 by WhiteKnight77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamakazi Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 *Wipes head* Boy am I glad I got rid of all my files except for the movies I download... No not those kind of movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 I don't know why someone responded to a rhetorical question in the first place. All I see someone did was make a statement and yes it now has backfired. I am not gonna admonish anyone or even recommend a ban. I have edited the post for now. This thread is now locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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