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If it had SP or co-op play I might be slightly interested.
The UbiSoft PR campaign is very energetic but also very typical.
To be fair they have rolled out some new games like Wildlands and the Division that were met with a lot of derision
but they stuck with them and patched them into good games.

20 years on I still play OGR co-op on Sundays with friends. I keep thinking, this has to get old at some point but it hasn't yet.
A testament to a  good game that has supplied some great mods to keep it going.

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They don't seem to realise that literally all they have to do is remaster GR1 and GR2 for the 20th anniversary and fans will be satisfied. 

They keep talking about 'going back to it's roots' but every time it's just a mention here and there that the old games happened. With all the effort and most likely money they spend trying to shimmy references in last minute, they could literally just remaster the games. 

There's a part of me that hopes Frontline is one of a few announcements to be made over the next few days. It looks like a quick throw-together project based on the breakpoint backend which wouldn't have taken long to do with such a large team.

 

Buuuut part of me is thinking Ubisoft are going down the road of shoddy games and trend whoring rather than listening to their consumer base.

 

At which point we can make our own 20th A shizzle, gents. 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, wombat50 said:

To be fair they have rolled out some new games like Wildlands and the Division that were met with a lot of derision
but they stuck with them and patched them into good games.

Yeh, Wildlands developed into a great game that was true to many of the franchise roots.

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7 hours ago, Zeealex said:

They don't seem to realise that literally all they have to do is remaster GR1 and GR2 for the 20th anniversary and fans will be satisfied. 

This is what bewilders me, I have been vocally banging that drum for years, I even delivered that message right to the devs when I sat in the same room as them in Paris. You only have to read a handful of comments deep into any Ghost Recon YouTube video these days and you will see the same sentiment over and over.

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Hello everyone!

I saw the presentation from beginning to end, and I confess that the beginning excited me (all that stuff about listening to the community, tactical games and etc), but after I saw that LEGACY wasn't a "collection" and all the other slips, I think the franchise is nearing its end (at least, as we know it).

I've been following GR for many years (like most here), and I was expecting a nice (updated) collection and a new game...maybe Wildland 2, in the middle east, with "semi-open" maps and a great backstory .

They talked and talked about the importance of the community and all the fans, but when they present something like FRONTLINE, they are clearly contradicting everything they said! Could it be that only us fans we've followed for years (and spent money buying the games) see?

Ubisoft will have to work hard on a completely new GR to trim this disastrous presentation!

Hugs from Brazil.

Aranha

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Honestly agreed completely. At least Wildlands wasn't always-online only, and then at least Breakpoint was still remotely decent but... going the route of making it another battle royale is such a horrible mistake.

It's sad to see what this series has become. The best of Ghost Recon is definitely behind us.

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What I don't understand (sincerely) is how Ubisoft hasn't realized what fans really want is good old Ghost Recon.

It could be a "GRAW3", a "GRFS2" or even a "GRWildland 2", but not this Frontline crap!

Does the company's marketing department not see the repercussions of fans? That talk of "listening to the fans" doesn't seem to be reality, doesn't it? I didn't see any video congratulating the company for Frontline on the web.

Either they wake up, or they should forfeit the right to use "Tom Clancy's" in their games!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200vmkeeXrk&list=PLuVEd8oPHDXaOst68eURjHAZmZSNv0Ewi&index=2

 

Aranha

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7 hours ago, Aranha said:

What I don't understand (sincerely) is how Ubisoft hasn't realized what fans really want is good old Ghost Recon.

It could be a "GRAW3", a "GRFS2" or even a "GRWildland 2", but not this Frontline crap!

Does the company's marketing department not see the repercussions of fans? That talk of "listening to the fans" doesn't seem to be reality, doesn't it? I didn't see any video congratulating the company for Frontline on the web.

Either they wake up, or they should forfeit the right to use "Tom Clancy's" in their games!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200vmkeeXrk&list=PLuVEd8oPHDXaOst68eURjHAZmZSNv0Ewi&index=2

 

Aranha

Yeah I don't really understand this. If they make a good game it will literally print money, even if they make a good game and add all kinds of MTX to it, it would still sell well and fans would likely still be happy and it would make them big money. I don't see their plan here, it seems very misguided.

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Yeah, not a great showing for the 20th anniversary of the franchise. I wouldn't declare it the death knell of the series, however. It's pretty clearly a project developed by one of Ubisoft's B-teams, given the liberal reuse of Breakpoint assets (with little in the way of modification!). I imagine we'll see a proper mainline title down the line.

As to whether the next main entry will be worthy of the title of Ghost Recon... well... we'll have to see. Despite how oversaturated the genre is, Ubisoft's greatest strength is in creating open world shooters. It's one of the things I'd actually say they're better at than most of their competitors. They're just not willing to move out of their comfort zone and innovate in that regard. Wildlands and post-launch Breakpoint were steps in the right direction, but they suffer from Ubisoft's unwillingness to deliver anything but comforting power fantasies. Their games are just too easy, nowadays, and they clearly know this. Far Cry New Dawn was a genuine if underwhelming attempt to address the lack of difficulty scaling in Far Cry games. A lot of the post-launch support for Breakpoint revolved around introducing hardcore, tactical shooter-oriented features into the game.

Just to clarify, I'm not particularly optimistic about the next mainline Ghost Recon, either. Ubisoft will probably play it safe and make it an enjoyable, if middling open world shooter. I just hope that along the way, they'll remember every once in a while that they're making a Ghost Recon game.

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That's right, @Rocky ! 

It seems that they accused the blow received by the community (I think it was almost unanimous!). Now they need to move to release (or at least demonstrate that they want to release) something that respects the legacy of Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon franchise!

In the contemporary world, to think that social networks don't make "noise"... are completely wrong!

I also think they made an effort to improve Breakpoint (which in the end really improved a lot), but now they need to take a clear shot and release a NEW game, tactical and respectful of the franchise!

Let's wait for an official position from Ubisoft.

Aranha

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Maybe they should add a first-person mode to Breakpoint.

That's like the one thing I can takeaway as a positive from the Frontline reveal. Ubisoft has access to a wide variety of high-quality assets.

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Today I was reading about the issue of DELTA COMPANY, and it seems that there is a lot of criticism of this program, because in addition to not selecting people who are really part of the "Ghost Recon community", Ubisoft simply did not listen to the comments of the community itself.

I think they should schedule a new meeting with us, tell the fans that they messed up and that they are developing a new GR, in the mold of the classic games we love so much! How about a GR in the Middle East in a "fictional country" (to avoid any problems, as there was with Bolivia) .

Let's go ahead!

Note: As I don't speak English fluently, I use Google Translate to write my posts. I apologize in advance for any contextual error in my entries.

Thanks!

Aranha

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12 hours ago, Aranha said:

Today I was reading about the issue of DELTA COMPANY, and it seems that there is a lot of criticism of this program, because in addition to not selecting people who are really part of the "Ghost Recon community", Ubisoft simply did not listen to the comments of the community itself.

 

It's actually worse than that, they didn't ask Delta Force members for their thoughts about Frontline at all - they went ahead with this gametype without engaging with anyone in the GR community.

Your posts are perfect English, don't worry!

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9 hours ago, Rocky said:

It's actually worse than that, they didn't ask Delta Force members for their thoughts about Frontline at all - they went ahead with this gametype without engaging with anyone in the GR community.

Your posts are perfect English, don't worry!

@Rocky I believe that this kind of posture will further weaken Ubisoft, reducing its credibility (if it still has any with the Ghost Recon community).

I've been going through some youtube channels (famous and not so famous) and it seems that the opinion is unanimous: GR Frontline (as announced) is a freak and it was a huge mistake by the company!

Wake up Ubisoft, there is still time to resolve this error!

Aranha

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