snared_gambit Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 I have. My tech teacher didn't want to do a lesson close to the end of the year, so he brought in the local SWAT team with all their stuff. Pretty cool. Got to handle an M4A1 and look down a reflex sight, a Remington 870, .357 Sig and Sauer, .45 Colt Commander, and all the other stuff. The coolest thing was the flashbangs. They took us out to the football field and explained a couple of things. I'm a big time Rouge Spear fan, so I knew what was coming. The officer lobbed the bang into the air. It blew up twenty feet away. Staring directly at those things is pretty cool! There was a huge flash, then a massive blasting noise (like a shotgun except about fifteen times louder) Then my favorite part. The shockwave rushed over us. It was very cool. Every one else in my class was scared by it. I was grinning. So anyway, anyone else experienced the awesome power of flashbangs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) Cant say that I have. Ive been 'banged enough times in Raven Shield to not want it to happen to me in real life. To me, this question is like, do you want to be hosed down with pepper spray? Edited June 14, 2003 by Crimson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 (edited) I have seen a real one, never got to see it explode though Its alright though, I have seen alot of homemade ones blow up On the pepper spray thing, no idea which is worse- extreme pain for several minutes (pepper spray) or blind deaf and confused for a few minutes(FB's). I lost my hearing in my right ear for about 3 months several times and it aint fun ( I was going F'n Bonkers ), so I'd say the FB is worse for me. Yes I have been sprayed and have been deafend for a while. *added* Forgot to mention, it wasnt the type law enforcment use, it was the off name brand.So Im sure that determined my descion. Edited June 23, 2003 by Zantar45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSaKi Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 I got pepper sprayed... well, almost. I was doing volunteer work at the salvation army one day when this big box of stuff was donated from the Airport. What happens is the customs agents go through everyone's stuff before they get on the plane. All sorts of stuff is confiscated at Pearson Airport: Rope, swiss army knives and cards, knitting needles, spray starch, forks, nail files, and, of course the pepper spray chicks use to fight off drunken male suitors after a night at the club. So I'm going through this big box of really cool stuff, and i come across the pepper spray. I read the back and discover that there really is pepper inside!! Being the curious george that I am, I spray the stuff on my finger to see if it really smells like pepper and if it could possibly be used to marinade a steak. Well, it didnt smell so i wipe the stuff off and go back to my scrounging. an hour and a half later i got dust or something in my eye and without thinking I stick my finger in there to clear it out. Big mistake. My nose started running, my eyes went all watery and it hurt like a SOB. Now, I didnt get very much in my eye, but it hurt enough that I'd NEVER want to take it full force in the face like that sucker on Cops!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Not sure that i'd want to experienence the "awesome" power of a flash, unless i was the one throwin it, hehehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Ledanek Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 flashbang: No fragmentation grenade: tossed one, didnt get any, but my chest hurt from the concussion (spelled that right?) gas chamber: 1st hate it, 6th or was it 12th time getting used to it. Winter time when sinus flars up, we use it clear our sinuses...dont knock it till you try it. still use it during winter time here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconSnake Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 LOL RS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 AAAHHH, the joys of basic. not there yet, workin on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 I got pepper sprayed... well, almost. I was doing volunteer work at the salvation army one day when this big box of stuff was donated from the Airport. What happens is the customs agents go through everyone's stuff before they get on the plane. All sorts of stuff is confiscated at Pearson Airport: Rope, swiss army knives and cards, knitting needles, spray starch, forks, nail files, and, of course the pepper spray chicks use to fight off drunken male suitors after a night at the club. So I'm going through this big box of really cool stuff, and i come across the pepper spray. I read the back and discover that there really is pepper inside!! Being the curious george that I am, I spray the stuff on my finger to see if it really smells like pepper and if it could possibly be used to marinade a steak. Well, it didnt smell so i wipe the stuff off and go back to my scrounging. an hour and a half later i got dust or something in my eye and without thinking I stick my finger in there to clear it out. Big mistake. My nose started running, my eyes went all watery and it hurt like a SOB. Now, I didnt get very much in my eye, but it hurt enough that I'd NEVER want to take it full force in the face like that sucker on Cops!! That's one of the joyous occasions I have to look forward to in the coming months at the academy. I'm also looking forward to being hit with the taser, and being tossed around by the resident judo master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 I know of cops who use it on their burgers and stuff. Especially the DOC guys and gals. They just put some on their food. It's quite edible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connie lingus Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Greetings! Funny thing, but flashbang grenades was the official reason that Demo Dick was court-martial-ed by the Navy. It seems that he designed a proto-type and went outside the government to get it produced for his Seals Team. The corporate-type Admirals used it as an excuse to get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Greetings! Funny thing, but flashbang grenades was the official reason that Demo Dick was court-martial-ed by the Navy. It seems that he designed a proto-type and went outside the government to get it produced for his Seals Team. The corporate-type Admirals used it as an excuse to get rid of him. I seem to recall the Brits developing the flashbang back in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Marcinko, aka, Demo DIck, was court martialed for cospiracy to defraud the government. they spent $60 mil, tryin to prove he stole $118,000. not for makin flashbangs. Marcinko ###### a lot of people off when he was makin ST6, and conducting the "Red Cell" ops, they were tryin to get back at him. He is still, kickin ass and takin names, as a security contractor, IIRC, body guard type stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connie lingus Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Greetings! With all due respect to the British, the proto-type of the flashbang I was describing was not the first proto-type ever, but for a new design. And to Marcinko; as for defrauding the government, at the heart of the matter was the logistics of this new flashbang and how it was purchased. These facts are undisputed by either Demo Dick or other authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 I took everything i said out of his book, at least one of them, he did not make a falshbang, he defrauded the government. Never have i ever seen anyhthing about Richard makin a flashbang, but then again, i havent seen everything , or purchasing one, or anyhting of that sort. I dont know everything, but for obvious reasons, i know one hell of a lot about Mr. Richard Marcinko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 Never heard that one either about the flashbangs,from what I read back in the 80's it was all to do with miss management of Government funds,he had almost a free hand to fund ST6,to whatever gains ,###### other SEAL Teams off a bit,and also the top brass as they're budget were undercut to provide Marcinko the tool of the trade! That coupled with what were called "overzealous" takedowns infiltrating the US Nuclear facilities,resulting in some serious injuries to sentries etc,were a combination of his eventual downfall. I believe it was the SAS along with GSG9(Uli Hoeness)who developed the flashbang as we know it,remember the UK had a dedicated CT unit long before the US with SFOD-D or ST6! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 SAS Invented the Flash lonesome as I recall. The two troops they sent to 'Mog in '77 to help out the GSG9 was to be the first official use of the thing. Btw, yes, there was a stir about Marcinko purchasing some type of grenade (Not sure if it was a bang or not) from a former/current member of the group who had a side buissness. This was all in his many charges that landed him in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Never heard that one either about the flashbangs,from what I read back in the 80's it was all to do with miss management of Government funds,he had almost a free hand to fund ST6,to whatever gains ,###### other SEAL Teams off a bit,and also the top brass as they're budget were undercut to provide Marcinko the tool of the trade! That coupled with what were called "overzealous" takedowns infiltrating the US Nuclear facilities,resulting in some serious injuries to sentries etc,were a combination of his eventual downfall. I believe it was the SAS along with GSG9(Uli Hoeness)who developed the flashbang as we know it,remember the UK had a dedicated CT unit long before the US with SFOD-D or ST6! From what I've read, the whole Red Cell deal was a large portion of the Navy's gripe against Marcinko and his merry men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 It was. The way Marcinko and his few selected men took not only U.S. bases, but foreign bases as well (IIRC). Even though it was just training, it happened, in ways that could have been handled a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBD-UltimateForce Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 In the early 1970's, a couple of years after Black September, the SAS saw the need for a hand-held distraction device that could be used to subdue terrorists. This idea for this device was given to a special weapons research centre in the UK and the flashbang was built, with the first real test of it's use in the 1977 Mogadishu assault by GSG-9. The modern-day flashbang e.g the CTS Model 7290, has an effective range of 5 feet with 6.2 million candlepower and 175db in 8 milliseconds of time, which is enough to scare the bejeezus out of any hostage of Tango Adam Henry in the room. Alternative models of flashbangs, however may be quite different in power, but thery are all designed to do the same things. DISTRACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avey Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 In the early 1970's, a couple of years after Black September, the SAS saw the need for a hand-held distraction device that could be used to subdue terrorists. This idea for this device was given to a special weapons research centre in the UK and the flashbang was built, with the first real test of it's use in the 1977 Mogadishu assault by GSG-9. The modern-day flashbang e.g the CTS Model 7290, has an effective range of 5 feet with 6.2 million candlepower and 175db in 8 milliseconds of time, which is enough to scare the bejeezus out of any hostage of Tango Adam Henry in the room. Alternative models of flashbangs, however may be quite different in power, but theory are all designed to do the same things. DISTRACT Scientists at Porton Down in the UK made the flash bangs on the requests of the SAS. Ken Connor, one of the men asked to setup the CT team at Hereford, was one of the first people in the world to use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I heard a story that makes me wonder about the power of these things. I know a SWAT guy who's squad's favorite hobby was to tie a string to the pin, stand on the FB and pull out the pin while standing on it. lol, really makes ya wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasniper Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 perhaps he was working on the idea of the more your exposed to one the less you'll be affected by it, kinda like pepper spray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I have seen two types of FBs, one is the black one that looks like a smoke grenade, and seems to be used by CT forces and SWAT; the other has octaganal end caps and a bunch of holes punched around the middle. I can't remember any modle numbers or anyhting at the moment, just wondering if anyone knows what I'm talking about and what (if any) is the differance? CLARK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I have seen the ''baseball'' type ones, the big canister ones and thin 6-7'' pipe ones. I think they vary from company to company. Same with characteristics, one might be louder then others and one might be brighter or even lighter (the weight mind you). :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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