****COLONEL**** Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 In the past, i proclaimed M4 Socom and MP5 SD as my pro weapons. But after some trial and tests, they did not make it in terms of killing energy and accuracy. I have never give the original looking sa80 more than a sec look, until someone introduced it to me while playing GR online. Thanks to whoever u are. Now, i feel very comfortable with sa80. Sharp, great killing energy and very solid. I wish to know: Does sa80 really exist in real life? If yes, when was it made and who made it? Is it used in today military? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconSnake Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 yeah There are these things on the internet called search engines... RS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
****COLONEL**** Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 Thanks RS. hmmmmm...............sa80 doesn't seem to have a very good image in real life military combat. Even its modified version sa80-A2 can't escape the fate of being critized and might be scraped anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avey Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 (edited) Hey RS, reminds of this quote They have the internet on computers now??? Edited June 10, 2003 by avey2904 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
****COLONEL**** Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 Who make the Internet then? HaHa........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasniper Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Even its modified version sa80-A2 can't escape the fate of being critized and might be scraped anytime. it is critized because it is appaling (i don't have personal experience with this but i have freinds and family that are/were in the forces and all share this view) also it won't be scrapped cos the MOD have decided that it works fine and their ego won't let them change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avey Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 The MOD also spent like £100,000,000 on it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasniper Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 it could have been cheaper for them to buy m16A2s than make new or upgrade the existing ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero2zer0 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 A friend of mine who serves in an israeli special unit has told me that its annoying to change the mag. on a bullpop weapon like the SA80, he told me that his entie unit prefers the M4 over the new TAVOR (new israeli bullpop), he said that its alot easier to use (can use one in each hand while u need both hands to sue a bullpop). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streinger Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 also it won't be scrapped cos the MOD have decided that it works fine and their ego won't let them change Actually, I found an article saying the British MOD is thinking about abandoning SA80 alltogether (selling most of the stash to friendly countries) and adopting H&K G36 by 2006 or 2008... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARDelta Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Who make the Internet then? HaHa........... I believe that was Al Gore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 (edited) also it won't be scrapped cos the MOD have decided that it works fine and their ego won't let them change Actually, I found an article saying the British MOD is thinking about abandoning SA80 alltogether (selling most of the stash to friendly countries) and adopting H&K G36 by 2006 or 2008... MOD have just agreed a £96m contract for H&K to "fix" the SA80, basically take them all to the A2 standard. The gun was developed by Enfield Weapons Systems late 70's, early 80's and introduced into the British Army around '85-86 (if memory serves me) as a replacement for the 7.62mm SLR. I first got my hands on one in '88, but it was a late issue to my unit, RMP as the standard weapon was the Sterling machine gun. It is now essentially a product of the Royal Ordnance Division ( the owners of H&K, hence the repair contract ) and as has already been said is unlikely to be replaced as that would be a great big " I told you so" for the MOD. Edited June 10, 2003 by Watchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEP_Magnum Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 They have the internet on computers now??? -To start press any key 'Any' key? Where's the any key? Maybe Homer designed the Sa80? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowpilot Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 as a matter of fact, the SA-80 is a real weapon. It is primarily used by the British Army specialists the same way American artillery and tank crews used the M-1 carbine in WWII. As the manual states, it is a scaled down version of the standard Enfield assault rifle used by the Royal Marines and Army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bballa4lifeno51 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 actually if u research the M-16 and m-4 had trouble when they came out the M-16 jammed a ton in Vietnam. IT also tooks years before the gov. bought any. I believe it was JFK who ordered them. The M-4 was bought by our local swat team years ago when it was new and it was over a year before they took it on a call because it was faulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Here is a link to some detailed info on the SA-80 plus some great pics. Also extensive info and pics on most small arms used throughout the world. A lot of you probably are aware of this site... But for those that are not: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm Great site for weapons modders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose_76 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 actually if u research the M-16 and m-4 had trouble when they came out the M-16 jammed a ton in Vietnam. IT also tooks years before the gov. bought any. I believe it was JFK who ordered them. The M-4 was bought by our local swat team years ago when it was new and it was over a year before they took it on a call because it was faulty. Yep and the M16 has a lot of modifications since Vietnam, wich resulted in a more reliable weapon. (Thats why they do use it nowadays) The M4 is a carbine version of the M16. Its shorter, lighter wich makes it perfect for swat and or urban/short distance warfare, or as a defense weapon for guys who are not on the frontline and dont need extreme firepower. On long ranges it got less accurate and less powerfull. Its just another type of weapon like for example the MP5 is. regards, BlueRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
****COLONEL**** Posted June 11, 2003 Author Share Posted June 11, 2003 Hmmmm......seems like every guns need to be cleaned up before use or else it jam. Is there any guns that does not require any cleaning works and would not jam on you??? I doubt so. lolz.... oh yar, have u all heard of the gun called "Smith & Wilson" . It a kind of pistol used by my country police officers on patrol. I dunno know whether the name "Smith & Wilson" is separated or not. Have only a vivd ideas of it. But i studied these two guns years ago, when i was in the Student-Volunteered Police team. It belong to the small arms category. Had a maximum capacity of 6 bullets. Does yours country police officers use them too???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose_76 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Or check out the site of the makers of the HX4 mod with their weapon stats. (i dont know if its representable for IT en DS): http://www.speakeasy.org/~starr00/starraud...r/hx4_guns.html Which might point out that the SA80 isnt such a bad gun (actually its also my fav). Does anyone has the official weaponstats for the orginal GR, and DS, IT? Thanks, BlueRose_76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose_76 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Or check out the site of the makers of the HX4 mod with their weapon stats. (i dont know if its representable for IT en DS): http://www.speakeasy.org/~starr00/starraud...r/hx4_guns.html SA80 = l85a1 (85 is modification, a1 is scope?) Which might point out that the SA80 isnt such a bad gun (actually its also my fav). Does anyone has the official weaponstats for the orginal GR, and DS, IT? Thanks, BlueRose_76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose_76 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 sorry for double post. seems like i cant delete? BlueRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRIN_Wolfsong Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 SA80 = l85a1 (85 is modification, a1 is scope?) No.... SA80 is Enfield's name for it, the production name. L85A1 id the British Armed Forces name for it. Same thing with L96A1 and AI's name "Precision Marksman". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRIN_Wolfsong Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Does sa80 really exist in real life? Lol. This has to be one of the best proffs that some players are to blind about the real world, and what is in it outside the borders of their nation. Also a reason I perfer ex-militray players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avey Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 It even has a rubbish name. The SA80 stands for Small Arms of the 80's. Does the MOD not know its the year 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose_76 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 SA80 = l85a1 (85 is modification, a1 is scope?) No.... SA80 is Enfield's name for it, the production name. L85A1 id the British Armed Forces name for it. Same thing with L96A1 and AI's name "Precision Marksman". Okee, thanks By the way, do you know the official Lee-Enfield site. Can't find it anywhere. Thank, BlueRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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