Pave Low Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 some interesting comments by Cevat Yerli boss of Crytek As long as the current console generation exists and as long as we keep pushing the PC as well, the more difficult it will be to really get the benefit of both PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks. I generally think it's still developers' mentality, A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more, their expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game. Read more: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=277729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) i think it is crucial for any good game maker to include a well made PC version of their franchise, the PC has always been ahead of consoles and always will be, unlike consoles PC are cheaper in the long run, you spend about £100 maybe less maybe more a year updating a PC while in the console area, you have to spend over £200 to play the latest games, you choose what you want on a PC, and the PC is has a longer life expectancy without failure, if made correctly, not like a console. this year, i spent £294 building a highly capable PC while if i was to buy the PS3 (at the time of release) i would be looking at more like £400. so i can see in the economy being what it is, people are going to turn to PCs to do the playing. not the consoles, a PC is also multifunctional so it saves all the clutter. Edited November 25, 2010 by zeealice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Consoles are killing (or have totally killed) the PC gaming market and more importantly they are stifling games in some respects. Graphically consoles are holding back the games market because developers are concentrating on making games look good and run at a decent framerate on consoles, then porting that to the PC, which of course can exceed these limitations. On a gaming PC games have the potential to look better, and run better. Anyone who doubts that just needs to look at how long their current graphics card has lasted, most people will find it has lasted twice, or even three times the length of time their previous one did, reason being PC's are not being pushed anymore, they just have to match consoles on the eyes of (most) developers. So consoles are holding games back in this respect. On the other hand though, consoles do push innovation in gaming (Kinect etc). PC sales will take a leap when some developers bite the bullet and start putting out games that tax PCs to the limit once again, to produce graphics that consoles won't achieve for years. If I bought into a conspiracy, I'd say publishers and telling developers not to push PC versions beyond the console version because it's on console sales they are making the money. It's really frustrating to see games costing more, but giving less, and todays gamer doesn't even realise what they are missing out on, that's what saddens me. So yeh I agree with Cevat Yerli, but it is up to people like hm to sort that out! /rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 i agree rocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 The other problem is, that it is a lot less hassel for the devs to make+/-- versions of a consel game (X-box, PS3, WII, DS) than it is to make 1 PC version that will run on every combination of PC hardware/software configuration Just look around the different tech help threads here in the GR forums, What works on 1 PC may not on another even though they are of simular spec. It may be just down to what type of DVD/RW drive you have as to wether the games copy right protection lets you play the game or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Yeh that is true to an extent, there are still patches that come out for console versions to correct issues though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Even then they fix only minor things, not game-breaking bugs or other bugs that reduce gameplay experience. As an example, I'm still waiting for the developers of Fallout New Vegas to fix player companion Veronika so she levels up with the player (after the player reaches level 13 and upwards, [Veronika] remains at level 12 so can die easily from attacks from higher level enemies. While they're at it, they can fix the hitpoints/hitboxes on Deathclaws, those things are even stronger this time around, and your team of three - player and two companions - can't take down a single Deathclaw without atleast two of you being seriously injured/killed in the process. Even the 'blind' Deathclaws, like the one in Primm Pass, can 'see' the player coming from a mile off - Everytime I pass by the bottom of the incline there, that 'blind' Deathclaw is running at me from a distance.) The devs did release a patch, in which they said they fixed 200 bugs (their words and numbers and not mine), but the bugs with Veronika and the nigh on invincible/not very blind Deathclaws are still present. A game with over 200 bugs on release? You need to test your game before release. Then again, what do I know about this whole thing, I'm not a developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Yeh that is true to an extent, there are still patches that come out for console versions to correct issues though. Yes but they are game related issues its not because XBOX,A has a different CPU,GFXcard,Sound card to XBOX B C D....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) if i am reading it correctly, Hammer has a point, all PC games are "backward compatible" in a sense, it doesnt matter what brand it is where it came from or anything, so long as it has the right stuff inside to play the game, then it will work a charm. hammer feel free to scream at me if i misinterpreting it bloomin hell my laptop makes things sound rude when it's keys get stuck! ugh. Edited November 28, 2010 by zeealice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightCrawler Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 PC Gamer had a different take on PC vs Consoles. Acording to the Editor in the Oct. issue I believe it was, Gaming PC's out sold consoles for the first time in a few years and they did it by 2 to 1. He also went on to say that game sales are up and it looks to continue. He was very encouraged by the signs of life within the PC market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 I have also read that computers are out selling consoles, But what % of those "Computer" sales are cheap laptops that every super store in the UK seems to be selling by the trolly full and are not what we would call "gameing" machines its all just playing with numbers and statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 But what % of those "Computer" sales are cheap laptops And/or notebooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 i think a majority of the time these days laptops are capable-ish of playing some older games. if they have an AMD radeon HD chipset, but not cheap ######ty emachine ones XD and a reason why people are going to PC is because they are more upgradable these days and the games are quite a bit cheaper on the PC than on consoles. but what that guy in the magazine has to take into account is that XBOX360 and PS3 have a new "download" thingy where peeps can download the games instead of buying them, so i believe. so physical buying of games is bound to be lower if you can download them and forget about disks. but still PC is better a decent gaming PC doesnt neccessarily have to cost over £1000, you can make one yourself for 1/3 the price of an Acer G7700, maybe not as good, but the content is still decent and able to play the latest games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) XBOX360 and PS3 have a new "download" thingy where peeps can download the games instead of buying them This is true, although in the longrun it's better to buy the game second hand than download it - Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft (deliberate necessary emphasis on the $ sign in this case) charges 3 times the price of the same game second hand just for the courtesy of downloading the game. Buying a game on XBL Marketplace costs £19.99. Funny how I can pick up the same game second hand for a fiver isn't it? That's on top of them charging us for the same DLC's that you PC folk get for free.... There goes my pension - if I ever had one. I wouldn't know about $on¥ though. Edited November 28, 2010 by WytchDokta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 XD very true Wytch, but it could easily ###### up any study made on the physical buying of games as most people would prefer to download expensive or not, to save clutter. so physical buying is bound to be down lower than usual. but then what about illegal download sites im not allowed to mention cuz of the rules? surely peeps use that too, no? questions questions questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) but then what about illegal download sites im not allowed to mention cuz of the rules? I know of a few that have been around for years and still going strong. I even know that on a few of those sites, certain music artists have started uploading their own work there for others to download for free. There is something else that factors into this illegal download sites business, and this something else is actually legit - availability of products, or lack thereof, in certain regions/countries. For example, you won't find the music I listen to in any store in the UK, because the music is underground, and we are against commercialism/mainstream (they don't even host the associated music events here (not in England/Wales anyway, but MoH has hosted events in Scotland before), yet they do inNetherlands, Italy, Germany, France, Poland, etc. So we have to travel.) But people have acquired that music here in the UK, because there are 'other ways' to obtain it, and certain people know where to look. Edited November 28, 2010 by WytchDokta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 once again very true, but have they thought of making a website with a download page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 once again very true, but have they thought of making a website with a download page? Yes. But it's besides the point; Danny Masseling (the 'Angerfist') uploaded some tracks to one of the hosting sites, MegaUpload or something, and linked it via Facebook for people to download for free. Yet he has own website with download page, although that's more than likely for downloading excerpts of tracks, or for streaming sets etc. Supply and demand. If people can get it for free from certain websites seen as illegal, yet those websites are still up and running and going strong, then that's where they'll get it. Put sales of other formats down indeed. The 'illegal' sites are probably still up due to supply and demand, I don't know. Or it could be corruption in the government of the country where the sites are based - so the police don't do anything about it. Even the sites I'm on about link to external sites for the downloads themselves, which are incidently popular seen as legit sites for people to upload stuff for free. But as soon as the company than run those hosting sites start taking down 'illegal' content hosted on there, the uploaders will just find another way around. Take anti-virus software for example: Go ahead, implement a fix for a virus some-one just created so it doesn't infect other peoples' computers. They'll just find another way to circumvent the fix, because people are people. People are naturally gonna go for the cheaper choice in the long run (in this day and age atleast.) That's the deal here with PC's versus consoles in this thread. However, cheaper/free isn't always best. Take the NHS for example. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 indeed,but the NHS is quite good in some cases, and its the bloody government's fault for cutting the nhs jobs down and/or not funding the NHS properly, the NHS has helped me out allot with these bloody pilonidal sinuses, they have tried everything going to help it heal but it's a pesky little ######. but i do see what you mean by cheaper isnt always better. the media overexaggerates things waay too much and makes the NHS out to be a bad service, when in general it is quite an okay service. emachines are cheap and crap but GIGABYTE are cheap and absolutely fantastic. in that case cheaper is better (in the long run) Xbox 360 is cheap-ish and somewhat crap a decent gaming pc built by yourself, cheap, multifunctional and amazing. and PCs save clutter its god knows how many things in one place. as if you have a cheap notebook (£300-£400) an Xbox360 for gears of war 1 (£150) and a PS3 for CoD 7(£150) total if notbook is £300 is £600 and if notebook was £400, £700 a gaming PC that can play CoD 7 and gears 1 on high settings self built, virtually no clutter and all three in one spot. £500 whats cheaper and better now? i reckon there should be an absolutely amazing PC exclusive game that nearly all console consumers would buy a capable PC just to play. that would soon make people realise that consoles arent as good as they think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) Xbox360 for gears of war 1 (£150) Fail! I wouldn't by a 360 for GoW1, maybe for GoW3. Besides, I haven't heard DS2 announced for PC yet, but it is most definitely coming on 360 and PS3. My PC refuses to play L4D and Fallout3 without crashing regularly. Regardless of whether or not I have the latest video drivers, or the graphics on low, med or high. It's more than capable of running those games on high. Funny thing is, it runs other games [with equal/better graphics] fine. On console there's also next to no boot to desktop time. Press the on button and it's almost straight in, almost. Also on console we have splitsceen games, but this can work to an advantage aswell to a disadvantage - on most games running in splitscreen, the graphics/draw distance are significantly reduced. Essentialy, the game is having to render two lots of the same thing (or four lots of the same thing on the ultra rare four player split screen games) at the same time on the same screen split between the respective number of players. Some people have no end of trouble with consoles, like the RRoD (Red Ring of Death) saga on Xboxes. The again, some people haven't. I guess this is to do with either luck of the draw or the way gamers treat their console. I've had mine for a couple of years now and no problems with it whatsoever. Yet, for some reason, the previous owner had all kinds of trouble with it. I think it has something to with the way he was (ab)using it. Edited November 28, 2010 by WytchDokta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 U.S. Government Blocks Domain Names, ICANN Censors Roughly 80 Sites. You ask, and it is being worked on though as soon as sites are blocked, new ones go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 as soon as sites are blocked, new ones go up. Soon to be Hard drive bans from hosts? If a site is blocked, they surely they know who owns it? Why not give them an Internet fine of X amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Why not just send a package to permanently crash the HDD of the server hosting said site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsfed Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Why not just send a package to permanently crash the HDD of the server hosting said site? Oh, the 14th amendment, for starters. Also, I'm really quite uncomfortable with the blocking of IPs, no matter the perceived sins of the owner. I hold pretty dearly to my rights, and unilateral, punitive, and unchecked removal of said rights really gets my goat. And, in respect of the "no politics" rule, that's all I have to say on it. To the topic at hand, Rocky, I don't think you're being conspiracy minded to think that publishers tell developers what to make. If I was an author and my publisher wanted my books to sell, they'd probably discourage me from writing them in Aramaic. Publishers are businesses first, and only artists if they are also developers (eg Valve). We shouldn't be surprised when they hold profit to be more important than customer experience, especially when only a small part of their customer base will be adversely affected by their decisions. This is the inevitable consequence of the widespread popularity of electronic gaming. Considering how much complexity we expect from games, and the small audiences that games we like appeal to, can you blame developers for picking the sure bet over the gamble for connoisseurs if the end goal is keeping food on the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeealice Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) Xbox360 for gears of war 1 (£150) Fail! I wouldn't by a 360 for GoW1, maybe for GoW3. Besides, I haven't heard DS2 announced for PC yet, but it is most definitely coming on 360 and PS3. My PC refuses to play L4D and Fallout3 without crashing regularly. Regardless of whether or not I have the latest video drivers, or the graphics on low, med or high. It's more than capable of running those games on high. Funny thing is, it runs other games [with equal/better graphics] fine. On console there's also next to no boot to desktop time. Press the on button and it's almost straight in, almost. Also on console we have splitsceen games, but this can work to an advantage aswell to a disadvantage - on most games running in splitscreen, the graphics/draw distance are significantly reduced. Essentialy, the game is having to render two lots of the same thing (or four lots of the same thing on the ultra rare four player split screen games) at the same time on the same screen split between the respective number of players. Some people have no end of trouble with consoles, like the RRoD (Red Ring of Death) saga on Xboxes. The again, some people haven't. I guess this is to do with either luck of the draw or the way gamers treat their console. I've had mine for a couple of years now and no problems with it whatsoever. Yet, for some reason, the previous owner had all kinds of trouble with it. I think it has something to with the way he was (ab)using it. okay to make you feel better, ghost recon space marine as for the crashing, it might not be the video drivers casusing the issue. but i would much rather wait for a PC to boot up than have an Xbox turn on and go straight into a game, my PC refuses to play games until the parts have warmed up and broken in, its been switched on only 8 times in it's life. it wont crash if i force a game on it before the system is ready, but the game will have significant low framerates but that to me is a good thing, it stops me wearing it out as easily (i usually forget that i was on it to play games by the time it's heated up), yes okay i wont be able to play games straight after boot into windows, but i usually do some surfing first, analyse temperatures make sure the system is stable then go play games, with the xbox or PS3 there isnt an opportunity to monitor overall health of the system, or do some pre flight checks, wich is crucial for me because the graphic card in there has a cooling problem, and i am in no financial state to replace it, well i am, but i have spent enough on it this year. i mean lets face it, if there is a RROD on the Xbox you can just go in there willy nilly and say "oh it needs thermal paste i shall get some" you need special screwdrivers because microsoft wants to rip you off in repair cost. my PC bluescreened me with RAM errors but straight away, i went out bought a new PSU, thats the last i heard from it. blissfully silent now all i can hear is the beep on startup then nothing until i stress out the CPU fan (oops) sure PCs arent everything, but in terms of games it has the added bonuses of choosing how good you want your graphics and they could easily outprocess a console. but like said i reckon there should be an absolutely amazing PC exclusive game, in wich console gamers would envy PC gamers. Edited November 29, 2010 by zeealice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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