Conspiracy Theories

[calius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4RledFmspA...layer_embedded#

Well to change subject (some what) .. this was all a conspiracy theory once, you can still get blank looks with mention of RFID & chipping to this very day which is shocking. Bear in mind the age of this video also.

This is yet another angle for security since & based on "that day" too.

[ZJJ]

... and a short response to read.

[CrowmanUK]

Have you seen this one yet Calius?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJv4JGBrxQ

RFID as it could be.

Not sure where I first saw it but it could be ats

[calius]

@ZJJ ... LOL .. short but sweet

@Crowman ... yes indeed trying to sell it as "cool" etc too like getting into clubs by being scanned, if folk cannot see through this is really is a bad time.

Well as regards using "that event" etc and leading up to now and cashless society etc .. check this perfectly crafted UK radio advert (which is real BTW) :

Notice the mention of "if using cash" is one of the criteria to add to the brainwashing. The comments do make me laugh though underneath. Problem is this system is place right now for anyone to ring in, and lets face it I might get slammed for "armchair theorist" but imagine the busy bodies ringing this up if the criteria is so open via that advert.

Extremely sly propaganda indeed.

And again .. the whole thing based off of that event and beyond ... 10 years of mind games on steroids.

[CrowmanUK]

Its the farmers that worry me, they buy all this fertiliser and nobody ever sees it again, what are they doing with it eh? They've been screwed over with the prices on milk, meat and grain, then they had to deal with the ballsup over mad cow/bird flu/foot and mouth, you mark my words theres payback brewing and its got farmer giles bootprints all over it.

That posters a bit worrying though, almost like paranoia come to life. And gold help the bloke who's working night shifts, he's always got his curtains closed.

[calius]

Its the farmers that worry me, they buy all this fertiliser and nobody ever sees it again, what are they doing with it eh?

And gold help the bloke who's working night shifts, he's always got his curtains closed.

#2

Thing is you can see the gag in it and that's the best way to look at it, but think of who/what groups set all this up and created these adverts and ideas. Me thinks an advert should come out about that ...

"He lives down the road, never speaks to neighbors becuase hes too good for it with his large home and security around the perimeter, he doesn't bother about cash and uses tax payers money to spend away. You cannot tell if the curtains are open or closed because of the acres of land before you reach his home ... all this may add up to something suspicious. If you feel this way then please call the 'elite's are making us look into ourselves and break us apart' confidential helpline ..."

[Metal_Jacket]

It’s amazing what humans are capable of…we all know RFID is a reality and very much now…most people would know that mind control by RF is also a reality , meaning if you have a bad injury or accident ( lose a limb) you may be able to move you prosthetic limb with you own mind.

All of these things are great, it can be used to help people and improve quality of life for many others.

I also can’t help feeling that this technology can also be used in other ways very easily, depending on the mind set of the user.

[calius]

Yes the benefits are the "sales package" for full human chipping, that may seem O.T.T .. but I'm not the one pushing for it

I also can’t help feeling that this technology can also be used in other ways very easily, depending on the mind set of the user.

Introduce it in justifiable ways to push the idea into peoples mindset .. then offer it as a "security" measure later. Later and how long is hard to say but the end result would be the same "if" people just accepted it like clones.

[calius]

I wasnt sure to post this here, in the games section, or its own thread ... but as its all combined I though quite a few here might enjoy this.

Lazlow (from the GTA games with his radio show) is tied into this and the game itself. I only ever know of "lazlow" ref the game and his radio show section an never looked into "him" any further than a comedy writer radio host in the game.

Anyway here is a six part (10 min chunks) talk about his involvement in games/GTA/IV and also about the media, its no shock to some but he does go into "sales" detail about the media:

** Warning some jokes and wording have an adult based theme, although only in parts **

A talk by Grand Theft Auto IV cowriter and coproducer Lazlow focusing on that phenomenal project as well as whats been going on in media in the last decade. Beginning in 1996, corporations began gobbling up every newspaper, billboard, radio and TV station in the United States.

Ironically, since then, readership and ratings have plummeted, resulting in entertainment executives and editors programming even more sensationalist and desperate content. Lazlow discusses how parody of the media in video games, on TV, and online can often garner a larger audience reaction than the media establishment itself. He will describe why the mainstream media invents crises, and the reaction by the media and Hollywood establishment to the growing popularity of interactive worlds where players are celebrities rather than smug starlets tittering for TMZ. How can you hack the media?

In this interactive talk Lazlow talks about his work in radio, video games, and the future of the media, democracy, and the role of comedy in it.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYm_rpDoqjY...feature=related

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

[NoQuarter]

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Not being one willing to subject myself to the unwanted attention of the sniffers -real or imagined- out there , I have to ask, because some stipulations are harder for others to overlook, a couple of preliminaries.

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Does Lazlow point to any (just one?) of those creatively invented mainstream media crises?

Does he correlate the loss of the mom & pop shop to the mega-retailer or any of the other countless market concentrations throughout history and wrap them up as well into this -or some other- sinister plot?

Does/did he habitually use recreational drugs in the past, or currently hold a prescription for any psychotropic medications?

Does he reside in the creative state of Kalifornia?

[calius]

In short .. take it as you find it, I found it interesting not earth shattering fact finding mission. His views on the media are true though.

He was flakey in some areas, especially the older chap who asks him a rather deep psychological based question (in the last part) to which he fumbles like a fool

I didn't post to back anything up, I actually wasn't even sure to post it in here anyway, although the media part he speaks about with the whole earnings thing is very true. Im cautious about him after watching the entire thing, but the first 2 parts were the best ref media.

Does/did he habitually use recreational drugs in the past, or currently hold a prescription for any psychotropic medications?

If they have a good point, they have a good point, otherwise that's near smear campaign tactics I would know one of my family member's has schizophrenia and even then I question "mad" or "nutter" seeing as ive had a close member suffer from it for over 16 years. They still make valid points and observations to this day even though anyone on the outside would think they had "lost it" at face value and discredit it in one fail swoop.

I wouldn't say Lazlow was the absolute speaker of truth, just an interesting angle from a person I didn't think would be involved in that way really. Coupled with the fact he works on games (and this is a primarily a gamer site) I thought some would be interested in it. Posting here probably makes it more focused on "conspiracy" so maybe I should have posted it in the games section?

[calius]

*WARNING : due to subject matter and the nature of this some images may be a little graphic*

5 Parts.

One Mainframe To Rule Them All is a breathtaking rundown of the human micro-chipping agenda. Concise and effective, it breaks down the coming global information control grid in all its horrifying detail. Scarier than any horror movie could be because it is real and documented.

[NoQuarter]

If they have a good point, they have a good point, otherwise that's near smear campaign tactics

Or to rephrase it, just another conspiracy?

Peace, my Brother!

[calius]

If they have a good point, they have a good point, otherwise that's near smear campaign tactics

Or to rephrase it, just another conspiracy?

Peace, my Brother!

Talking of just another one ... swine flu .... and the whole "must have vaccine" - "thing".

Heres a great example of how great that all is and how it should make you think and question it:

The FDA Shuts Down Common Infant Vaccine After Startling Discovery

Video and report ref child vaccine

“U.S. federal health authorities recommended … that doctors suspend using Rotarix, one of two vaccines licensed in the U.S. against rotavirus, saying the vaccine is contaminated with material from a pig virus,” CNN reports

Now, think about the whole Swine Flu scare a just before Christmas .. what was the main aim, to give out vaccines, hmmmm.

[Rocky]

Interesting, more people should familiarise themselves with vaccines before blindly accepting what the so called experts have to recommend at that point in time.

[Dick Splash]

This is a recent presentation by David Ray Griffin about 9/11 and the link to Afghanistan. He talks about the basics of what happened, including the mobile phone calls made from the hijacked airliners.

David Ray Griffin

It's been stated a few times now that no Arabic or hijacker names appear on the flight manifests and I find that hard to believe. I've done a search in the past and couldn't find any on the one I looked at either. However it could have been a fake manifest. It would add weight if when someone stated this, that they followed it with "...and here are the manifests, sent to me from each airline and you can see that none of the alleged hijackers are on them."

DS

[petsfed]

Interesting, more people should familiarise themselves with vaccines before blindly accepting what the so called experts have to recommend at that point in time.

Why? Because a poorly performed study showed a slight (eg, not beyond the margin of error) correlation between the MMR vaccine and Autism? A correlation so slight that the researcher had to fabricate data to make it work?

I can't repeat this enough: science is not democratic. The level of expertise necessary to evaluate medical findings in a meaningful way is so great that once you have that sort of background, you ARE the "so called experts" you are deriding.

I understand the desire to protect one's children, especially from something like autism. But to assume a higher level of understanding on a subject than the experts, from wikipedia or a few dozen hours researching it on the net (probably via webpages produced by people of similar background, rather than reading the medical journals), is ludicrous to the point of irresponsibility.

The rotavirus vaccine was suspended over QAQC concerns. That's legitimate. It's like recalling a brand of milk that has a disturbingly high fecal content.

[Rocky]

Interesting, more people should familiarise themselves with vaccines before blindly accepting what the so called experts have to recommend at that point in time.

Why? Because a poorly performed study showed a slight (eg, not beyond the margin of error) correlation between the MMR vaccine and Autism? A correlation so slight that the researcher had to fabricate data to make it work?

It's a few days since I watched the video, but I don't recall it being about MMR and Autism...?

[petsfed]

Interesting, more people should familiarise themselves with vaccines before blindly accepting what the so called experts have to recommend at that point in time.

Why? Because a poorly performed study showed a slight (eg, not beyond the margin of error) correlation between the MMR vaccine and Autism? A correlation so slight that the researcher had to fabricate data to make it work?

It's a few days since I watched the video, but I don't recall it being about MMR and Autism...?

Sorry, the overwhelming majority of anti-vaccine sentiment comes from that fiasco. When Jenny McCarthy considers herself an expert on immunology (as opposed to an expert on the process of founding a school specifically for autistic children), the vaccine debate has spiraled out of control.

In the case of the linked example, unless you, or anyone around you, is a vaccine QA/QC technician (in other words an EXPERT), you'd have no idea that some pig-specific virus was present in there. What was that about blindly accepting what the so called experts recommend?

[calius]

In the case of the linked example, unless you, or anyone around you, is a vaccine QA/QC technician (in other words an EXPERT), you'd have no idea that some pig-specific virus was present in there. What was that about blindly accepting what the so called experts recommend?

"Im sorry, please post nothing about anything, either you were taking an experts word for it, or you were taking another experts word apposing it and thus ... you are wrong to do so in any case".

Its called informed, you know having more options and points of view on the table than one central mantra you take as gospel, which we all know is a dangerous thing to do.

Sure, unless people speak up and others research and check then of course many would not, but to use the logic that to not trust an expert means your trusting another is, well, pointless. Because what ever way you spin it ... it did have one, and was called out, which in-turn opens a debate on all vaccines and makes people aware and to make informed "choices" whether they do or do not "choose" to have it. So no I wouldn't get a pig virus or something I was unaware of because I choose not too based on my more informed decision, or my child. Whether an expert told me it was good or another said it wasn't ... ultimately its "me" or "I" that chooses based on both sources.

I love the expert talk, I couldn't give a ###### whose got what in their name or title, I will still question and look for alternative information ref the subject from as many sources as I like, after all I am allowed too. The more that links the links and joins the dots the more you take a informed decision on it, or anything come to that matter. This doesn't mean that every single expert I come across I think is wrong off the bat, I personally take there word for it, and have a look around .. especially as important as vaccines and other such subjects.

Sorry, the overwhelming majority of anti-vaccine sentiment comes from that fiasco.

Realy, not anything further back than this? No other cases .. most were happy (world population BTW) with it all other than just a few non experts when this happened?

You seem disgruntled about the MMR subject in some way, the link really was not related to that, it was about something specific and something that has come to light that should be put out for others to take from what they will.

So .. that's the answer to "why" ref Rocky's post, which still stands.

[petsfed]

You didn't really understand my argument, did you? I'm not discouraging anyone from learning about the potential side-effects of a vaccine. That's what any responsible person would do. However, if you elected not to get the vaccine for any reason other than because of a well-informed cost-benefit analysis (that involves consulting experts), you are an idiot. In this case specifically, if you decided not to get the vaccine out of some fear that it could be contaminated with some porcine virus, even though you turned out to be correct, you're still an idiot. The ONLY way you could POSSIBLY know such a thing ahead of time is if you were a QA/QC technician involved in the production of the vaccine.

As to the expert talk, let me provide an example: suppose your car breaks down. Who do you consult? A mechanic, or a priest? Clearly the mechanic, because he's an expert in the field. He probably spent a few years of his life just learning all about cars. Sure, the priest might be close to accurate some of the time, but not consistently, certainly not consistently enough to gamble a thousand dollar vehicle. I call my friend about auto repair because he's a mechanic, not because he's my friend.

And yet somehow, in the states especially, the crackpot on the internet, of whose background you know NOTHING about is readily listened to to the exclusion of the person who has spent 4-6 years working on a bachelor's degree, another 5-10 years working on an advanced degree and another 5-10 years proving his expertise in a highly technical field. You're really willing to tell me that you'll listen to some guy who (at best) read a few pages on Wikipedia and slapped together some speculation over a person who has spent, at minimum, the last 14 years doing nothing but focus on this specific topic? REALLY?? Almost without exception, these conspiracy theories or "alternate theories" are based around a few misunderstood concepts that lead to an erroneous conclusion. An erroneous conclusion, I must add, that would be specifically addressed if the "theorist" had even taken the time to read the rest of the Wikipedia articles they were basing their ideas on. As if that wasn't enough, these very same experts who have spent the entirety of their adult lives becoming experts have to fight, tooth and nail, to justify their paycheck to a populace that honestly believes that withdrawing a paper and publicly refuting its findings are not sufficient actions to actually, you know, refute its findings.

The very basis of conspiracy theories, the MMR case, this rotavirus example, the continuing drive to eradicate evolution from the classroom, etc, is that people willfully reject evidence that implies a conclusion that they don't like. Its called confirmation bias. You prefer evidence that supports your pre-formed conclusion, and reject all evidence that conflicts with it for trumped up reasons (reasons, I might add, that would obliterate the evidence that supports your pre-formed conclusion).

[CrowmanUK]

In the 70's there was an outbreak of flu in america, the virus killed 1 person, the vaccine killed 25. In the latest round of swine flu more people died from the virus than the vaccine but there was 1 confirmed case, if that was my son or daughter I wouldnt have been happy. Most people infected with swine flu just get normal flu like symptoms. Would we have had more deaths if the vaccine wasnt rolled out? We'll never know but i certainly wouldnt take a vaccine for a disease that in most cases wouldnt kill or seriously harm you.

Vaccines have their place. I absolutley agree with that but are all vaccines necessary? And are we trying to immunize ourselves to too much and messing up our own immune systems?

[Bota:16]

So now world leader(s) are flying airplanes into buildings, sticking RFID tags into our brains, giving us "poisoned" vaccines. Seriously? Maybe the vaccines make us more susceptible to mind control from the RFID tags to make people fly airplanes into buildings......

[CrowmanUK]

They are? Damn, thanks for the heads up mate

[calius]

You didn't really understand my argument, did you?

ok mayvbe I didnt ...

However, if you elected not to get the vaccine for any reason other than because of a well-informed cost-benefit analysis (that involves consulting experts), you are an idiot. In this case specifically, if you decided not to get the vaccine out of some fear that it could be contaminated with some porcine virus, even though you turned out to be correct, you're still an idiot. The ONLY way you could POSSIBLY know such a thing ahead of time is if you were a QA/QC technician involved in the production of the vaccine.

Is this a riddle? Notice you use "idiot" for either situation, that's a little harsh don't you think? I say for those who were informed and chose not too and then found it did, are umm, far from an idiot as you call it. Christ you sound like you work in those circles.

These points have been made time and time over, your one side, others are the other .. we agree to differ. Yet these things in vaccines still appear, very suspect situations arise from this a lot and people are mindful of this whether you have that view or you don't..

Clearly the mechanic, because he's an expert in the field. He probably spent a few years of his life just learning all about cars.

Although he "may" not know enough about yours, what about a second opinion? or 3rd? Getting some quotes? Checking online to compare deals? (to use your analogy and explain my take on it)

people willfully reject evidence that implies a conclusion that they don't like. Its called confirmation bias. You prefer evidence that supports your pre-formed conclusion,

Nice, how non idiotic of you to communicate your point so eloquently. Problem is .. in saying this you have in fact also met the same fate with your view on "theorists" etc, a massive irony in your point. So far you have a blanket view on all theorists and internet users and that they are all "confirmation bias" idiots, yet you have your own by such a sweeping view of this. You will never listen to them, you will just go with an expert ... thats great, and thats your choice & I see your point ... but oddly enough while you do this and have this view of the "theorists" more and more information comes out showing these things to be of importance to the "general public" (not some theorist internet nutjob you seem to want to label and stick with).

You have jumped on it and shouted idiot, I have posted a link to think about and people posted a reply stating the same ... and none of us said any experts are idiots, funny that.

You points are valid but they are swathing views of specific groups, I haven't said all experts are wrong, but when the FDA find a pig virus in a vaccine (the start of all this posting on vaccines i the first place) exactly what do you do then!?

There is a distinction between what you are using for your argument ref the theorist internet folk, and whistle blowers, investigative journalists (real ones), and a fine line between an expert and where his heart lies / head lies / funds come from (allegiance & affiliations).

Whether you were here or not, or I was here or not ... this information still stands and is coming out all of the time, like it or lump it.

BTW .. do you work in this field? You seem to have a very strong specific point about this from the outset., esp MMR?

@BOTA:

Isnt what you just posted a "troll" based post? If you have more specific information please post #

I can see the headline ... "

Dick Cheney has been found piloting a small aircraft that hit a building this moring, witnesses said as he was pulled from the wreckage he had some sort of microchip on his forehead and was still clutching boxes of Tamiflu mumbling the words, 'I am lady ga-ga' ... more on this breaking story as we get it ..."