m99 Awareness week

[nixer]

Personally, I don't mind the m99 that much. If it really really needs nerfed, add a reload time and that's it. However, the noob tube really needs nerfed.. going 20-2 with a noob tube is too easy to attain.

To be honest I have a bigger problem with the "noob tube" as well.

How do you go 20-2 with a nub tube, when you only have 2 grenade rounds. 20-2 would call for some shooting as well I would think.

Well, you also get a gun... so it is very easy to destroy enemies :-P

[Papa6]

hey that's not cool. I used to be on a team B.A.D.S., British Allied Dragunov Snipers. that's all they do...they are a sniper only team. so saying one M99 is like saying, have a car with no gas...

[Peace]

[GR] (GR1) had the much slower reticule for sniper guns (and GL's), i.e., it took quite some time after movement to be able to squeeze off an accurate shot (2 sec or so). That made these weapons balanced in the game, and slowed down the pace of the gameplay as you could not shoot accurately right after a run or strafe. Above all, it prevented "run 'n gun" sniping and "run 'n gun" GL-ing... (Haven't had the chance to try GRAW 2 yet... )

[Lnwlf]

this all boils down to public servers at the end of the day and people playing with unlimited spawns.

cant wait for clan matching to commence after speaking to the clans we have known for several years and have matched with on a regular basics playing the game types and rules we all like no re spawns and no tdm.

we have no problem with the m99 basically because only a few will use it and do what its intended for sniping from a vantage point and laying still and not running about.

so at the end of the day the m99 will not be banned from any of our servers nor will the gl.

people sit here moaning about the way you can swing the gun around yet what about the support weapons that you can walk around the entire map scoped up so if you want to start getting picky about stuff boys and girls we could pull all the weapon apart for various reasons and have an awareness week every week for each gun.

go team hot

lol

[WhiteKnight77]

This thread is totally wacked out and enough to drive someone crazy.

What I have seen is people argue over balancing weapons out and such and this all stems to those who appear to just play TDM type games. If you are a clan and do not want to use such weapons or allow them on your server, well don't. If people join and stay on your server, more power to you. If people do not join your server, well, you know what people want.

Most of you appear to favor games other than GR as you are wanting balanced weapons, well get a grip, real life does not have balanced weapons. Some work a whole lot better than others. Yeah, some parts of a particular weapon my be a bit unrealistic, but the aftermath of using said weapon is still the same.

If you are complaining about weapons in GRAW2, do us a favor and stay away from Ground Branch as there will be no balanced weapons and if you do not play smart, you will die, repeatedly. IT is one game that will not appeal to those who prefer to run and gun or any other way of arcade gameplay.

[Papa6]

well said whiteknight. I have to say that you're 100% right. why complain when you can edit out weapons that can be used? edit the xml file(s) that pertain to the weapon and it's not selectable.

as Whiteknight has explained, this isn't counterstrike, it isn't unreal tournament. if you came here looking for that, well, sorry for ya!

I'll look for weapons that I enjoy to use.

another point: I paid $49.99 to play GRAW2 the way I want to enjoy it. since those diehard people who complain about the M99 didn't pay for my game, then don't try to hammer out a way to make it the way you want or go make your own game.

[viiiper]

Just because YOU prefer not to use the weapon to its fullest of capabilities does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the weapon. At the same time, Just because some people prefer NOT to abuse alcohol, doest mean that there's not an alcohol problem. I'm sure the entire community is grateful that you are one less person that abuses the M99.

Now Viiiper. Since you seem to think that both of the Other sniper scopes can be abused in the same way as the M99, I challenge you or anyone else to use those weapons as such. To use the weapon in close range, on the run, and fire off rounds quickly to destroy people and go back into hideing. "The Scopeup time looks fast?" The scopeup time is insanely fast when compared to the MSG90 or the M14 after a jog. Believe me. If people had problems with the MSG90 or the M14, we would have heard all about it.

Your definitions of most references are poor (in my view) to say the least, abit like 'Teamhotz' video skillz. Using a weapon to it's fullest use does not mean going around popping of kids on a public server, playing like a rank armature. Also your comparison to Alcohol is a poor one too, get some alcohol awareness, learn to use the weapon in game like you do and see what happens in a real match. If you are one of those teams, (mentioning no names) and all you want to do is snipe, then do it and see what happens when your team is nuked with a barrage of tubes.

The whole point is, the weapon has no problem, like you said, it's the lameoid that abuses it that's the problem, this is a game not the constitution of America. The abuse of any weapon happens in public servers, spawn killing, as you demonstrated, it's endless.

I'm pretty confident, that this will become a not issue and all those that want the M99 & GL disabled will not get their wish. All this is getting personal especially since the last page, with the introduction of 'TEAMHOT' .

[Tensim]

GRIN - listen to what the user community are saying here. The logical outcome of this thread is to remove all weapons, leaving each player to engage in combat armed with only a viciously sharpened pencil (the only concession, perhaps, being the AI rabbits who get the M99 with grenade launchers).

Its been said before, and IMHO, the focus should be on enriched server commands - server admins can restrict weapons as they see fit.

I would just like to say well done to GRIN. After numerous Ubisoft letdowns (you know them all) we finally have a PC game which rivals the 'playability' of RVS. Excellent work.

[GRIN_Wolfsong]

GRIN - listen to what the user community are saying here. The logical outcome of this thread is to remove all weapons, leaving each player to engage in combat armed with only a viciously sharpened pencil.

Yes. There is way to much killing in this game. It's horrible.

*Goes of the delete all files linked to weapons in GRAW2*

[MorphingJar]

Just because YOU prefer not to use the weapon to its fullest of capabilities does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the weapon. At the same time, Just because some people prefer NOT to abuse alcohol, doest mean that there's not an alcohol problem. I'm sure the entire community is grateful that you are one less person that abuses the M99.

Now Viiiper. Since you seem to think that both of the Other sniper scopes can be abused in the same way as the M99, I challenge you or anyone else to use those weapons as such. To use the weapon in close range, on the run, and fire off rounds quickly to destroy people and go back into hideing. "The Scopeup time looks fast?" The scopeup time is insanely fast when compared to the MSG90 or the M14 after a jog. Believe me. If people had problems with the MSG90 or the M14, we would have heard all about it.

Your definitions of most references are poor (in my view) to say the least, abit like 'Teamhotz' video skillz. Using a weapon to it's fullest use does not mean going around popping of kids on a public server, playing like a rank armature. Also your comparison to Alcohol is a poor one too, get some alcohol awareness, learn to use the weapon in game like you do and see what happens in a real match. If you are one of those teams, (mentioning no names) and all you want to do is snipe, then do it and see what happens when your team is nuked with a barrage of tubes.

The whole point is, the weapon has no problem, like you said, it's the lameoid that abuses it that's the problem, this is a game not the constitution of America. The abuse of any weapon happens in public servers, spawn killing, as you demonstrated, it's endless.

I'm pretty confident, that this will become a not issue and all those that want the M99 & GL disabled will not get their wish. All this is getting personal especially since the last page, with the introduction of 'TEAMHOT' .

AGAIN you miss the point by a mile. You impress me at every turn Viiiper. You haven't provided a single constructive post either for or against the issue other than firmly stamping your foot to the ground and spouting your own personal beliefs on how YOU think the weapon should be used. The issue here isn't about removing the M99 from this server or removing the GLs from that server. The issue is that the M99 is utterly imbalanced compared to the other sniper rifles. Explain to me why nearly every single weapon in the game share virtually the same damage, has the same recoil, and the same accuracy as their brothers. Minor Differences excluding, no one weapon gives you more of an advantage over another. The weapon you choose is Personal taste and preference. A single shot to the head or three shots to the chest. Two shots to the chest if your using a Sniper Rifle. Or one shot ANYWHERE if your using the M99. The Scopes on both the m14 and the MSG90 are also 2-3 times slower pulling up to the eye than the M99 depending on how long you've been jogging. Not to mention the fact that the M99 has a better zoom as well. It seems to me like the M99 is getting a little singled out. And not in a good way.

I'll also say this again. The video I made was not a "Skillz" video. It was not a glory video. It was merely a video showing exactly how imbalanced the M99 is when used by someone who doesn't fit your perfect "definition" of how a sniper should play this game. It wouldn't have mattered who I was playing against. How I used the weapon and the end results would have been completely the same.

Oh and PS. If your going to try and insult someone. At least try and use Spellcheck.

Edited July 28, 2007 by MorphingJar

[{B:P:R}Joker]

Just because YOU prefer not to use the weapon to its fullest of capabilities does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the weapon. At the same time, Just because some people prefer NOT to abuse alcohol, doest mean that there's not an alcohol problem. I'm sure the entire community is grateful that you are one less person that abuses the M99.

Now Viiiper. Since you seem to think that both of the Other sniper scopes can be abused in the same way as the M99, I challenge you or anyone else to use those weapons as such. To use the weapon in close range, on the run, and fire off rounds quickly to destroy people and go back into hideing. "The Scopeup time looks fast?" The scopeup time is insanely fast when compared to the MSG90 or the M14 after a jog. Believe me. If people had problems with the MSG90 or the M14, we would have heard all about it.

Your definitions of most references are poor (in my view) to say the least, abit like 'Teamhotz' video skillz. Using a weapon to it's fullest use does not mean going around popping of kids on a public server, playing like a rank armature. Also your comparison to Alcohol is a poor one too, get some alcohol awareness, learn to use the weapon in game like you do and see what happens in a real match. If you are one of those teams, (mentioning no names) and all you want to do is snipe, then do it and see what happens when your team is nuked with a barrage of tubes.

The whole point is, the weapon has no problem, like you said, it's the lameoid that abuses it that's the problem, this is a game not the constitution of America. The abuse of any weapon happens in public servers, spawn killing, as you demonstrated, it's endless.

I'm pretty confident, that this will become a not issue and all those that want the M99 & GL disabled will not get their wish. All this is getting personal especially since the last page, with the introduction of 'TEAMHOT' .

AGAIN you miss the point by a mile. You impress me at every turn Viiiper. You haven't provided a single constructive post either for or against the issue other than firmly stamping your foot to the ground and spouting your own personal beliefs on how YOU think the weapon should be used. The issue here isn't about removing the M99 from this server or removing the GLs from that server. The issue is that the M99 is utterly imbalanced compared to the other sniper rifles. Explain to me why nearly every single weapon in the game share virtually the same damage, has the same recoil, and the same accuracy as their brothers. Minor Differences excluding, no one weapon gives you more of an advantage over another. The weapon you choose is Personal taste and preference. A single shot to the head or three shots to the chest. Two shots to the chest if your using a Sniper Rifle. Or one shot ANYWHERE if your using the M99. The Scopes on both the m14 and the MSG90 are also 2-3 times slower pulling up to the eye than the M99 depending on how long you've been jogging. Not to mention the fact that the M99 has a better zoom as well. It seems to me like the M99 is getting a little singled out. And not in a good way.

I'll also say this again. The video I made was not a "Skillz" video. It was not a glory video. It was merely a video showing exactly how imbalanced the M99 is when used by someone who doesn't fit your perfect "definition" of how a sniper should play this game. It wouldn't have mattered who I was playing against. How I used the weapon and the end results would have been completely the same.

Oh and PS. If your going to try and insult someone. At least try and use Spellcheck.

im not trying to big and clever but you think you can do the same on say hh or seige with no respwans or limited to 1 or 2 and with some of the other team on comms?

i can see what your saying from your nicely made video but thats from one aspect of the game tdm with unlimited spawns i would say at a guess.

would be nice to see how well it worked on a 7v7 match say with people on comms playing something else bar tdm?

or am i missing the point this thread is all about fun public servers only.

if thats the case then as stated a few posts before we should be pushing for better admin dedi tools so all the people that want to lose it of their servers can.

[Sleepdoc-iBeta]

Oh and PS. If your going to try and insult someone. At least try and use Spellcheck.

In America, we are free to insult people without spellchecking. Please keep your communist ideals to yourslef.

<see my sig below>

Lets lighten it up Folks....... seriously....

The answer to this issue is the same as the answer to most other issues.

Server side options ........................ The right to have or have not any weapon lies squarely in the corner of the guy/group that owns and operates the server .....

[funk]

BTW, our server is up: TeamHOT Pro Server

Find it, Favorites it.

What will be the next weapon that will come under scutiny when the m99 and gl are put back into their boxes?

"oh its too powerful",

"oh the wrong people are using it",

"oh it has to be made so that ....Blah blah blah....

Soon there will be no weapons left to criticise, pass judgement on, or shall we just stick with pencils? The weapons characteristics should be left to the experts, GRiN, the people whos game it is. Im sure they are MORE than capable of doing that.

Edited July 28, 2007 by funk

[[30+]Retlaw]

I rather see the option to take the nade launcer out for Multiplayer. The GL is great for single player, but no so good for multi, but this is just my opinion. I agree that the M99 is way to easy to use and it need some work. I had fire the real thing and there is no way someone can be running up and down with that rifle taking pot shoots like that. That rifle is made to be shoot from the prone position at a long distances. I think that carring that rifle in the game should make the player slow and should only be fire kneeling or prone. But again, is just my opinion. Look at the size of this thing and tell me how easy it would be to do the things the game allow you to do.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/30P.../P1010006-2.jpg

Me firing the beast. Every time a shoot when out, the ground around the rifle tremble.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/30P...aw/P1010045.jpg

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Edited July 28, 2007 by Pave Low

[Lnwlf]

Just because YOU prefer not to use the weapon to its fullest of capabilities does not mean that there is nothing wrong with the weapon. At the same time, Just because some people prefer NOT to abuse alcohol, doest mean that there's not an alcohol problem. I'm sure the entire community is grateful that you are one less person that abuses the M99.

Now Viiiper. Since you seem to think that both of the Other sniper scopes can be abused in the same way as the M99, I challenge you or anyone else to use those weapons as such. To use the weapon in close range, on the run, and fire off rounds quickly to destroy people and go back into hideing. "The Scopeup time looks fast?" The scopeup time is insanely fast when compared to the MSG90 or the M14 after a jog. Believe me. If people had problems with the MSG90 or the M14, we would have heard all about it.

Your definitions of most references are poor (in my view) to say the least, abit like 'Teamhotz' video skillz. Using a weapon to it's fullest use does not mean going around popping of kids on a public server, playing like a rank armature. Also your comparison to Alcohol is a poor one too, get some alcohol awareness, learn to use the weapon in game like you do and see what happens in a real match. If you are one of those teams, (mentioning no names) and all you want to do is snipe, then do it and see what happens when your team is nuked with a barrage of tubes.

The whole point is, the weapon has no problem, like you said, it's the lameoid that abuses it that's the problem, this is a game not the constitution of America. The abuse of any weapon happens in public servers, spawn killing, as you demonstrated, it's endless.

I'm pretty confident, that this will become a not issue and all those that want the M99 & GL disabled will not get their wish. All this is getting personal especially since the last page, with the introduction of 'TEAMHOT' .

AGAIN you miss the point by a mile. You impress me at every turn Viiiper. You haven't provided a single constructive post either for or against the issue other than firmly stamping your foot to the ground and spouting your own personal beliefs on how YOU think the weapon should be used. The issue here isn't about removing the M99 from this server or removing the GLs from that server. The issue is that the M99 is utterly imbalanced compared to the other sniper rifles. Explain to me why nearly every single weapon in the game share virtually the same damage, has the same recoil, and the same accuracy as their brothers. Minor Differences excluding, no one weapon gives you more of an advantage over another. The weapon you choose is Personal taste and preference. A single shot to the head or three shots to the chest. Two shots to the chest if your using a Sniper Rifle. Or one shot ANYWHERE if your using the M99. The Scopes on both the m14 and the MSG90 are also 2-3 times slower pulling up to the eye than the M99 depending on how long you've been jogging. Not to mention the fact that the M99 has a better zoom as well. It seems to me like the M99 is getting a little singled out. And not in a good way.

I'll also say this again. The video I made was not a "Skillz" video. It was not a glory video. It was merely a video showing exactly how imbalanced the M99 is when used by someone who doesn't fit your perfect "definition" of how a sniper should play this game. It wouldn't have mattered who I was playing against. How I used the weapon and the end results would have been completely the same.

Oh and PS. If your going to try and insult someone. At least try and use Spellcheck.

im not trying to big and clever but you think you can do the same on say hh or seige with no respwans or limited to 1 or 2 and with some of the other team on comms?

i can see what your saying from your nicely made video but thats from one aspect of the game tdm with unlimited spawns i would say at a guess.

would be nice to see how well it worked on a 7v7 match say with people on comms playing something else bar tdm?

or am i missing the point this thread is all about fun public servers only.

if thats the case then as stated a few posts before we should be pushing for better admin dedi tools so all the people that want to lose it of their servers can.

set up a scrim and we will find out. xfire: sgtlonewolf

Edited July 28, 2007 by Lnwlf

[Guest]

GRIN - listen to what the user community are saying here. The logical outcome of this thread is to remove all weapons, leaving each player to engage in combat armed with only a viciously sharpened pencil (the only concession, perhaps, being the AI rabbits who get the M99 with grenade launchers).

Lead or No. 2? Because, and this is just my HUMBLE opinion here.....but I would think lead pencils can't be used. They're too easy to reload and will give an unfair advantage.

[Cangaroo.TNT]

^^ I love it when people use 70 lines to make a 1 line reply

Sorry, not you durka. You slipped that on in before I could reply

Edited July 28, 2007 by Cangaroo.TNT

[BPR_MiK]

set up a scrim and we will find out. xfire: sgtlonewolf

now that sounds like a challenge !

bprmik ...catch me anytime

[funk]

Lead or No. 2? Because, and this is just my HUMBLE opinion here.....but I would think lead pencils can't be used. They're too easy to reload and will give an unfair advantage.

You missed a valid point aswell, they are far too yellow so no camo in the jungle, especially "in_the_cut" map.

[ruggbutt]

What I have seen is people argue over balancing weapons out and such and this all stems to those who appear to just play TDM type games. If you are a clan and do not want to use such weapons or allow them on your server, well don't. If people join and stay on your server, more power to you. If people do not join your server, well, you know what people want.

It's not so much balancing weapons as the fact that you cannot swing a 23 pound rifle as quick as you can the assault rifles. The M14 has more muzzle climb than the M99 (and more recoil)in game. That's so far from reality it's ridiculous. All we were discussing is to make the weapons perform relative regarding the real one and in comparison to the lesser calibers. I don't care about the one shot, one kill of the M99 one whit. The same goes with the GL. 30m arming distance is not too much to expect since that's how the real deal works and that's how GRIN had it in GRAW1.

I understand your point to WK, but you're one of the coop n00bs so maybe you should go play against AI and let the rest of us who aren't scared play against real people.

Edited July 28, 2007 by ruggbutt

[funk]

What I have seen is people argue over balancing weapons out and such and this all stems to those who appear to just play TDM type games. If you are a clan and do not want to use such weapons or allow them on your server, well don't. If people join and stay on your server, more power to you. If people do not join your server, well, you know what people want.

It's not so much balancing weapons as the fact that you cannot swing a 23 pound rifle as quick as you can the assault rifles. The M14 has more muzzle climb than the M99 (and more recoil)in game. That's so far from reality it's ridiculous. All we were discussing is to make the weapons perform relative regarding the real one and in comparison to the lesser calibers. I don't care about the one shot, one kill of the M99 one whit. The same goes with the GL. 30m arming distance is not too much to expect since that's how the real deal works and that's how GRIN had it in GRAW1.

I understand your point to WK, but you're one of the coop n00bs so maybe you should go play against AI and let the rest of us who aren't scared play against real people.

At least the Ai dont whine and moan and complain...... Well it would be hilarious if they did, maybe thats a mod for the modders to sortout.

[ruggbutt]

We're discussing the M99 in the context of player v player and then the coop contingent chimes in. Apples and oranges.

[eyn093]

Lol ,this is good stuff, even better then Dallas in the old days

[Rocky]

Lol ,this is good stuff, even better then Dallas in the old days

Yeh these are the threads I should set up a paypal subscription for. 197 posts 3,256 views. I'd say it's good for another 40-50 posts anyway.

[|PoRn|-EcKs-]

Add scope sway to the M99

Add 30m arming to GL's