m99 Awareness week

[MorphingJar]

We at TeamHOT would like to bring to the community's attention about the atrocities that the m99 causes to servers. This weapon has been known to cause Despair, Outrage, Public Nudity, as well as mass exoduses from populated GRAW2 servers. Widely considered as a "Noob Weapon," this rifle can cause even the most skilled of players to drop to the floor like a sack of potatoes. Something MUST be done to stop the wanton destruction that this weapon creates. As it is currently, merely being grazed by the massive bullet can send you spiraling off to dreamland and waiting for you to be reborn again. The round can also pass through most objects like a knife through butter (except for Trees. The Trees in GRAW seem to be made of some sort of Super Density Steel that can shield you from all manner of projectiles). You can also bring a 22.76lb (11.38Kg) rifle up to your eye and fire off a round after a full sprint in less time than it takes you to blink. This allows you to run around at full speed and use the weapon virtually the same as a 7lb Assault rifle. Normally a weapon such as this is used to safely detonate ordinance or disable enemy vehicles. But we now see this weapon being used to utterly decimate entire populations of players trying to enjoy the game for what it is. I have even witnessed bored snipers picking off helpless rabbits.

Therefore, to raise awareness of the m99 throughout the community, TeamHot will be using this weapon almost exclusivly over the next few days. We will demonstrate exactly how the m99 can be the most powerful weapon in the game and why we, as a community, must voice our concerns over just how overpowered the m99 is. Please voice your concerns in this thread to let the devs know just how unhappy you are with this weapon.

The following is a demonstration video of the proper use of the M99 Sniper Rifle

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r7bg9SCUPoo

Please. Think of the Rabbits. Don't Abuse the m99.

TeamHot.

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This post will be updated regularly with suggestions from replys on how the m99 could be changed for the better as I'm sure this thread is going to get rather long. Also, This is a video showing just how difficult it is to handle such a heavy weapon from a standing position. Quite the opposite from what we see in-game.

MorphingJar - The best way to nerf this gun would either to severely increase the time it takes for you to bring the scope up to your eye, or to prevent a player from sprinting while he has the weapon out. A combination of the two would be perfect and bring the weapon more to how the devs imagined it should have been used.

PersionImmortal - Introduce heavy weapon sway when standing or crouched.

|PoRn|-EcKs- - Add a slight delay and breath sound to the firing of the m99 to simulate the sniper "taking a breath"

Edited July 27, 2007 by MorphingJar

[sui317]

http://www.ghostrecon.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45291

this thread does have some suggestions

and i would say to those rabbits still out there;

call in an air strike when scripts allow you to and or get in touch with the rebels and nuke those fake snipers.

[huddex]

I agree, fix the tree's and leave the rest as it is ^^

[bangurdead]

I'd like to see these "M99 Snipers" shoot the PDS or the M14 sinper rifle and see how many kills they rack up, In all reality the other rifles are about 10x harder to score a kill on a moving target (with a hit) as opposed to the noob rifle, because thats all it really is, One shot wonder

it can take several rounds between the PDS or the M14 if you plan on going through the chest plate.

I'd say remove the M99 or slow down the reloads and reaction time between zooming in.

[xtraclip]

Yeah, I also think the M99 is much too strong

I like those suggestions about longer time bringing it up, be unable to run with it out and I also think weapon sway would be nice.

My first idea would be to decrease impact of this weapon, but that probably wouldn't meet the claim of a M99. I think another good idea would be the ability the disable some kits serverside.

As long as nothing is done to it, the only hope is that the community will blame the M99 users as noobs

I really like to see a lot of agreeance to this topic, but I think it will be hard to push it through because for quite a lot of people it is the only weapon they use...

[Zoot]

I agree. The M99 needs to be nerfed in some way. Don't take away the damage, but make it harder to aim. Maybe longer time to bring it up to your eye or some scope sway when you are standing to encourage crouching when shooting. It's be great if you had to prone when y ou shoot, but with he horrible prone detection in this game, we cant really do that practically.

Edited July 26, 2007 by Zoot

[{B:P:R}Joker]

whats with all the hate for the m99 all of a sudden it hasn't changed that much in since graw 1 whats with people if its not the m99 then its the gl. yes its silly how you can stand and fire. and i agree that realistically you should only be in prone to fire it.

but personally i much rather grin spent there time on things that are more important to the whole game .

why do we all concentrate on things one at a time.

getting the dedi server tools working better and with more options so you can take out the snipers of the server settings. each and every thread seems to be going in various directions all the time. seems logical to me to do one thing at a time rather than starting 40 different topics a day about different bits of the game.

lets have lets help grin awareness week and get graw 2 closer to where we all want it.

just a logical idea

Edited July 26, 2007 by {B:P:R}Joker

[Rocky]

This post will be updated regularly

Nice thread, but I am afraid you will not be able to update your 1st post continuiously, edits are time restricted to prevent abuse, so for the inconvenience.

[Nutlink]

whats with all the hate for the m99 all of a sudden it hasn't changed that much in since graw 1 whats with people if its not the m99 then its the gl. yes its silly how you can stand and fire. and i agree that realistically you should only be in prone to fire it.

There are several reasons for this. One is that the new sniper rifles feel a little more balanced in place with the current weapons. Second is that in GRAW 1 all the weapons were rather accurate on full auto, therefore making it easier to counter a sniper and not as big of a problem (not the case in GRAW 2). Third is that the maps in GRAW 2 have much, MUCH more open areas that make sniping viable unlike GRAW 1 where nine times out of ten you were better off with a SCAR and red dot.

Basically the M99 and GL play more like GRAW 1 while everything else was changed, so you somewhat answered your own question

[viiiper]

Another M99 hate thread?

I play with a range of weapons, The team I play with adapt to the enemy and the terrain (map), if a group of snipers is called for then so be it. The M99 is a 3 second bolt reload weapon, all other semi-automatic rifles/guns in GRAW2 are less that 0.5 seconds semi or full auto.

I challenge anyone, inc. the thread starter to play a map like "arroyo" with only M99 and see how long they survive. The M99 only works when there are a variety of weapons in a team, that mix determines how the M99 player will preform. The number of times I've been shot at by a M99 and the player has missed and in there reload time, I have scoped them and eliminated that threat are numerous. The GL can easily remove a sniper and when a team works together the effect is the same.

The problem most have is that they do not work as a team, no voice comms no co-ordination. Till that is sorted, then the M99 moans will keep on, I for one say switch a server to 0-3 respawns and see how a game changes, place an objective in a game and see how many M99 snipers win?

Factor in lag from client to server and back and the M99 becomes less of a problem, communicate with each other, it's not that the M99 is the problem but the lack of experience in dealing with diffrent strategies that causes the problem.

LONG LIVE M99, Grenade launcher and all GRAW2 weapons, wait for the mods, like "GRM 4.7 & 4.8" then your talking, of course if you never played GR1 you won't know what I'm talking about, but rest asured, weapons like the OICW+GL was a futuristic weapon of the same calibre as the M99 and there was no moaning in GR1.

Like BPR Jokers said

"but personally i much rather grin spent there time on things that are more important to the whole game ."

Exactly, get the core sorted and make your own mods in due course.

viii

[Papa6]

This is a stupid thread. the problem is the M99 is right on with reality. the rounds CAN and do go through alot of different materials. concrete, wood and a host of others.

what people hate is getting killed by the M99. why do these people insist on running out in the open? you run out in the open with me and my trusty M99, you're head is coming off.plain and simple. the reason people hate the M99 is, they can't run n' gun like they want to. this isn't unreal, this is supposed to be, i do stress supposed to be a tactical game.

one issue is that when you do get close to me, then YOU have the advantage because I'm a sniper.

[viiiper]

Here is a video of the M99 in use at full stance, being fired round after round after round, and this guy is not a Military trained "GHOST". He does not struggle with it's 20+ KG weight. We must have some couch potatoes here

M99 in use at full stance

Get real, you can use this weapon at full stance and fire and re fire it, here Barrett, demonstrate (no a Ghost).

This is a video showing just how difficult it is to handle such a heavy weapon from a standing position. Quite the opposite from what we see in-game.

That is a M107 (semi auto version) AKA M82A1

[Guest]

Keep the M99. It is so funny how everybody moaned in graw1 about not having enough sniper rifles, and they hated the m99 because it wasn't semiauto. Now everybody is using it because that's the preferred weapon and the only one wthat will kill. Lets give the other rifles a little more power so they can bring someone down with less than 3 hits (to the neck) and not as many will use the m99.

I propose a m99 education week with a shooting school to teach people how to properly use the m99 within a squad.

And besides, the m99 is anti-material, so I NEVER shoot at a person with it. I always aim for the kevlar, flak vest, knee pads, ect:)

[viiiper]

This thread is funny to say the least, Why?, because in GR1 we had the Barrett M82A1/M107 .50 BMG rifle among others. A 0.5 cal sniper and no one complained and that was a semi auto version of the M99

M82A1 0.5cal Barrett

Real life (some place No_where) @ 800m (not 150m GRAW)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RXgcQNsUKO0&amp...ated&search

[Cell]

OMG, that M82A1 is not messing around.

The M99 is a great weapon. I personally use different weapons all the time. There are a few disadvantages to the M99. Loud! easy to pinpoint the sniper. Bolt action. 1 shot. I don't know how many times I have been killed using the M99 while trying to reload. It also tracks a bit slower than it did in GRAW1, meaning it is not a smooth while zoomed in and trying to acquire a moving target. Yes it is more powerful than the other sniper guns, but that is just the reality of the gun. It a .50 cal rifle!!! The advantage the other sniper rifles have over the M99 is the semi-auto fire and clip size. So if you hit in the head with the other 2 you have an instant kill, and no reload time for your next target.

Maybe if we had something like a sprint speed differential for the amount of weight carried, and gun readiness time for different rifle weights. THe heavier the gun, the slower you sprint, and the slower the closing of your reticule will be?

I would hate to see the M99 disappear altogether.

Edited July 26, 2007 by Cell*AFZ*

[xtraclip]

in my opinion it is a noob weapon AND much too strong in the hand of a high skilled player

[Evilducky]

I dont mine the m99 or the gls at all. The only time I hate the GL is when people run around with it like its there primary weapon. I cant count how many times people come around a corner and just launch a nade at me over shooting me for a fair and interesting fight. As for a sniper weapon goes, ill take the m14 or the msg90 over the m99 any day. *the msg90 I feel is a hack over the other 2 sniper weapons though. you can shoot round after round quick without too much recoil *

[Martinez]

The EASIEST way to counter the M99 is..... allow customizable kits and the server admin ability to ban certain weapons (m99 & 'nade launcher come to mind). Of course.. this really isn't possible as... we don't have customizable kits and no way to ban weapons off servers. Yet, I mention this because I rather have that feature than nerf/fix/whatever the current weapons. Just a priority thing is all.

In defense of the 'nade launcher... it is an extremely useful weapon in clearing spawn campers.

BTW morhpingjar, I was playing last night TDM_nowhere with and against you. It was funny. At first, the team you where on had no complaints when you (and others!) where shooting into our spawn with the m99 from the bottom of the hill. As soon as the current round was over, you switched teams, and nothing but complaints from the team that was just previously... doing the same. LOL.

I don't really care that people use the m99 to shoot into the spawn in map _Nowhere (it happens all the time in that map and arroyo). It's just a game. What's worse than 1 person shooting a m99 is a tandem team shooting an m99.

[sgt.hoot]

m99 needs to be banned in MP and amped up in [GR] and SP because of the cheating AI

[viiiper]

Lets BAN the M99 and replace it with the M82A1 from GR1 (the semi auto version, with a 10 round mag.) I think that's fair? lol Lets also ban the SCAR-H but leave the less powerful SCAR-L, Lets take out the M416 too, cos too many riflemen use it and the G18 pistol. Lets all just pistol whip each other and before I forget, lets have knives so we can do some sneaky throat slitting like in "Call of Duty"

Alternatives for M99 are:

M107

M82A1

[Cell]

in my opinion it is a noob weapon AND much too strong in the hand of a high skilled player

Exactly. It is much too strong especially in the hands of a highly skilled player. That's accurate as to what the M99 truly is, an accurate powerful .50 cal sniper rifle. Almost to the point of overkill. I don't happen to be that skilled with the M99, but that doesn't mean I want it banned, and it certainly doesn't make anyone a "noob" for using it. That's just ridiculous. I would argue that the true weight of it and how it is handled needs to be tweaked a bit, thats about it.

Edited July 26, 2007 by Cell*AFZ*

[ROCO*AFZ*]

I don't want to see it banned, but the time to bring it to shoulder i think needs some tweaking. Sure you can hold it all day by the video, but what about with a full run, bringing it up, finding the target is scope them making the shot that is say 149 meters (at 150 the enemies disappear)

[Guest]

highly skilled snipers can be countered with highly skilled covering fire. Of course, that would require some creative thought, and one might argue that should be banned too.

[sui317]

even N00Bs have a right to own.... right ?

i say keep the m99 and just for the love of all that is destructive throw in the rest of that .50 cal family so every one can be a noob RnG sniper

sorry i am getting kinda fed up with these whine posts about weapons, next week it will be the "WHY OH WHY doesn't the m99 have a silencer ??"

if any one gets owned by .50cal then try to avoid being seen in the first place. you can hear that MF miles away on those 150m maps just do one step to the side and you'll be out off clipping range.

walk the other way round he can only see 90 degrees. that is 270 degrees of freedom for you to move in.

it is the ultimate weapon to stalk, he shoots reloads and cant hear a thing.

in two weeks time you are all gonna write that the MRC silenced with eotech is the worst cause you can single shot snipe with it in semi and burst and full auto ? and you can't hear the damn thing ....

please let the rabbits live !

[Martinez]

It would be nice though to see a server info, and decide whether or not you wish to join a server that allows or disallows the M99 and/or 'nade launchers.

Those that love playing the role fo a sniper can search a server that alowss that weapon, and those that like to get more personal can search servers that disallow the M99.

It would be REALLY fun to see a server that only allows a pistol and knife, wetworks style.