RAbbi_74 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Guys, I'm getting tired of GRAW. Let that statement NOT be a reflection of YOUR team, though. You folks have done pretty damned well considering what you were given to work with. You're a good bunch. I'm sure you'll see much success in the future. But let's face it- the game hasn't picked-up much at all in terms of popularity. Maybe it was unfair of us to expect you to develop what we generally seem to have expected. And maybe it was just stoopid of Ubisoft to expect us to be happy with what they insisted we be delivered. But it just feels now as if the game was too rushed, and now has lost steam in getting fixed. There's talk of a GRAW2 on the horizon. When six months after release we still can't really have what we want from GRAW (can't very well match with it when you've got all these server disconnects, and half of the players out there have trouble playing it for sake of the rather high hardware requirements), it's hard to believe there's already another title in the series on its way. It's almost impossible to believe that we'll get what we've asked for from it, too. And yeah, we ask a LOT of you and of Ubisoft. But that's why we laid down over $55 (in many cases even more) on faith alone for this game. The premium price tag implies premium gaming. And no matter what color you paint it, it's still too buggy and system-intensive to give us what we're after. The game enjoys what little success it's had on PC simply because there's not much alternative. BF2 is spam city, full of plane whores, hoppers and floppers. FEAR? MP on that game is anything BUT rewarding. BF2142 just saved GRAW from the biggest flop of the year award. AA? Best free game ever, but still a FREE GAME. There's been nothing else to keep us happy. Just like an election in the US, we don't choose GRAW for being the BEST game available, as much as just being the least BAD. You've heard it before, and you'll hear it again. Hero characters ruin this type of game. Crazy in-game dialogues with cartoony video and voice make it feel like it's designed for a 10-year-old kid. A game engine that at times chooses to defy the laws of physics further distances it from the reality we love. The unfinished release of this game SHOULD have been warning enough to wait for the price to drop and keep playing BF2, but no. Like many others, I gave Ubisoft too much credit. And I have finally seen the error in my ways there. I hope you GRIN dudes see much success in your future. Honestly, I hope you DO develop GRAW2 for PC and get it right this time. I hope you're redeemed in the eyes of the super (though often over-critical) fans here at GRnet, probably the best fan site any game has ever had. And I wish my life away that you could have done GRAW without Ubisoft calling so many of your shots for you. Until they bow out of Ghost Recon, I'll purchase no more titles of any sort with their logo on the box. And I'll curse them for tying GRIN's skilled hands on this project. See ya next summer! -RAbbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GI-Hoe-808 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) I couldn't have said it better myself, RAbbi. Sadly enough, this is the same exact reason why I refuse to buy anything else with Ubi's name stamped on it. I had to fight with myself over purchasing Splinter Cell: Double Agent. Thank God I chose not to. I've read where people are having several issues with this title as well. I do hope that GRiN can pull off a miracle with the next patch for GRAW. If not, this game will continue to go downhill, and that will be a big loss. This game has so much potential, and I truly love it. As for other people that are experiencing problems with this game as well as other titles tossed out by Ubi, think long and hard the next time you're debating over purchasing anything from them. If you want to force them to make better titles, refuse to buy their products until they give companies like GRiN, the necessary time to make quality games. Edited November 12, 2006 by GI-Hoe-808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox*BDA* Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Rabbi.....do yourself a big favour and get "Armed Assault". Out in Febuary..(lol-so they say..) But if you now german or czech you can play it now!! buy it from amazon.de and wait for some enterprizing modman to give you english subtitles. Trust me it will be worth it!! Just passing through .. I thought there was a 1.35 patch out...guess not. Got GRAW to run on 1.6pentium M , 9700 radeon mobility... needed 2 gb's of ram though. 15 -22 fps...wow is right. What really annoys me is that I have so much more fun playing Operation Flashpoint. And that's 5 years old... I thought game's were supposed to get better? I think FPShooters are turning out like boxing...We had the glory early years,then the heavyweight greats then ... Mike Tyson ....GRAW = MIKE...ie,amazing but totally unbalanced and needs much work... And boxing now?...stagnant with falling viewers.Audiences switch over to K1 etc.or similar extreme ######.(imo) Funny actually,When GRAW was released it was like Tyson Knocking everyone out in 2 mins flat. GRAW was far superior in every aspect. Now GRAW appears to be entering "ear biting" phase. Saw a boxing docu on tv last night.lol) UBISOFT DON'T REALISE HOW MUCH THEY HAVE SHOTTHEMSELEVES IN THE FOOT EITHER. There will only be a target market of 10 year olds when they finish. That means they will lose us older folk. Which may well be a good thing as hopefully the games we want will be made by smaller more dedicated teams....like Armed Assault..(ok i'll stop plugging it!). This could be great for those of us who like intelligent games. btw...check out DEFCON for another cool game. Movie graphics is not the answer to future games. Intelligent use of limited graphics is. Unless you can convince the kiddies to play games with patience, I see a bleak future for ghost recon. Anyways EVEYONE HERE should check out Flashpoint and defineatly "Armed Assault".(last time promise!) They are excellent if you like military shooter types. I agree with everything you said Rabbi. forget about GRAW.....maybe take up water polo? Fort Bragg must have a pool for Delta/short bus people, to go swims swims in....lmao ...man i'm funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 (edited) Guys, I'm getting tired of GRAW. Let that statement NOT be a reflection of YOUR team, though. You folks have done pretty damned well considering what you were given to work with. You're a good bunch. I'm sure you'll see much success in the future. But let's face it- the game hasn't picked-up much at all in terms of popularity. Maybe it was unfair of us to expect you to develop what we generally seem to have expected. And maybe it was just stoopid of Ubisoft to expect us to be happy with what they insisted we be delivered. But it just feels now as if the game was too rushed, and now has lost steam in getting fixed. There's talk of a GRAW2 on the horizon. When six months after release we still can't really have what we want from GRAW (can't very well match with it when you've got all these server disconnects, and half of the players out there have trouble playing it for sake of the rather high hardware requirements), it's hard to believe there's already another title in the series on its way. It's almost impossible to believe that we'll get what we've asked for from it, too. And yeah, we ask a LOT of you and of Ubisoft. But that's why we laid down over $55 (in many cases even more) on faith alone for this game. The premium price tag implies premium gaming. And no matter what color you paint it, it's still too buggy and system-intensive to give us what we're after. The game enjoys what little success it's had on PC simply because there's not much alternative. BF2 is spam city, full of plane whores, hoppers and floppers. FEAR? MP on that game is anything BUT rewarding. BF2142 just saved GRAW from the biggest flop of the year award. AA? Best free game ever, but still a FREE GAME. There's been nothing else to keep us happy. Just like an election in the US, we don't choose GRAW for being the BEST game available, as much as just being the least BAD. You've heard it before, and you'll hear it again. Hero characters ruin this type of game. Crazy in-game dialogues with cartoony video and voice make it feel like it's designed for a 10-year-old kid. A game engine that at times chooses to defy the laws of physics further distances it from the reality we love. The unfinished release of this game SHOULD have been warning enough to wait for the price to drop and keep playing BF2, but no. Like many others, I gave Ubisoft too much credit. And I have finally seen the error in my ways there. I hope you GRIN dudes see much success in your future. Honestly, I hope you DO develop GRAW2 for PC and get it right this time. I hope you're redeemed in the eyes of the super (though often over-critical) fans here at GRnet, probably the best fan site any game has ever had. And I wish my life away that you could have done GRAW without Ubisoft calling so many of your shots for you. Until they bow out of Ghost Recon, I'll purchase no more titles of any sort with their logo on the box. And I'll curse them for tying GRIN's skilled hands on this project. See ya next summer! -RAbbi I agree with you Rabbi, but as you said there is nothing better. The new patch hopefully will fix the issue but i don't see a flood of new peeps (although we may get back some of the old) as many have moved on, to games that aren't persay better but stable. UBI's push and pulls i blame the failure on... they are the one's that dealt for the gamespy servers (issue #1 from the start) They pushed it out early. I do however support GRIN. They have made many steps to improve the game to the liking of us who may be a select few in the overall sales. For that i will probably own GRAW2. Rather I play it or not depends on how it comes out. As for Armed assault. Who knows... maybe good maybe not. I've seen many o games that were anticipated as the next "one" end up being crap. (Or expensive beyond what a new card would be ... aka VBS1 and all it's discs) For now though we still play GRAW, just as we did GR1 until something better and fresh arrives that meets our squads needs. Edited November 13, 2006 by ROCOAFZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRP 56 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 You've heard it before, and you'll hear it again. Hero characters ruin this type of game. Crazy in-game dialogues with cartoony video and voice make it feel like it's designed for a 10-year-old kid. A game engine that at times chooses to defy the laws of physics further distances it from the reality we love. Scott Mitchell. Good thing real military men don't scratch every mission when a leader goes down or we would be in a world of . Runs off to put on my Superman outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Give companies like GRiN, the necessary time to make quality games. Nice idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay316 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 But let's face it- the game hasn't picked-up much at all in terms of popularity. Maybe it was unfair of us to expect you to develop what we generally seem to have expected. And maybe it was just stoopid of Ubisoft to expect us to be happy with what they insisted we be delivered. But it just feels now as if the game was too rushed, and now has lost steam in getting fixed. Until they bow out of Ghost Recon, I'll purchase no more titles of any sort with their logo on the box. And I'll curse them for tying GRIN's skilled hands on this project. See ya next summer! -RAbbi definately agree, well said, ubi definately lost some previously devoted fans over this title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Ledanek Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 My jarfull of 2-cents as posted I'm with the Rabbi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingkat Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I agree......................... .....................I want a "tactical- fps- with objectives" .............. I am with you all.............Kingkat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal_Jacket Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well said Rabbi As for 07, I hope that it will go by quickly, the forum will be the lesser without your honest and heartfelt opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverReed Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 the forum will be the lesser without your honest and heartfelt opinion. Well said that man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Worse yet, it looks as if you can't find GRAW on store shelves either. I was in Wal-Mart, Circuit City and Best-Buy this weekend and didn't see it anywhere except for the PS2 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaP7oR Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 unfortunately this game is dieing quickly.. well... way faster then I expected. Sadly though, I'm pretty much done with this game, my next step will be uninstall... I'll just wait and see if the next patch saves the day, which I doubt! "If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of." GL Grin, I'm sure you guys would've made a kick ass game if Ubi wasn't involved. For the past few days I've been looking for another game, looks like Armed Assault and R6:V are good candidates (I know,Vegas has UBI label - will play the demo first and see if it is a new GRAW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huddex Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZJJ Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Worse yet, it looks as if you can't find GRAW on store shelves either. I was in Wal-Mart, Circuit City and Best-Buy this weekend and didn't see it anywhere except for the PS2 version. It's still on the store shelves around here and not much cheaper than when it was first released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverReed Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 p.s.- this means I DO admire GRIN. As stated so many times by so many players, there are few otehrs out there who'd have put up with so much criticism for so long and still kept a generally rosy disposition. I can only imagine the crap they get from Ubi, too. The middleman developer... tough spot to be in, and they've done it very well. You cannot blame UbiSoft for everthing - Grin are not entirely blameless in this farrago. It is their DIESEL engine which requires more resources than most PCs can give and and it is their bugs - close-quarters GL crash, poor Anti-cheat, random server disconnections etc etc. - which make the game so unpalatable. Grin will for ever be associated with the PC AW version and for the failure it has become. And rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockeystick Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Ah failure smailure... What do you know about that Mr. Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRP 56 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Ah failure smailure... What do you know about that Mr. Reed? GRAW made his parrot fail didn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMET_Balamir Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I'm with you Rabbi! You're my personal hero! And think that I, with some other italian Clan, built up www.graw.it to gather italian GRAW player... Now sometimes I think if this has been just a waste of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa6 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Graw was (speaking in past tense) an example of trying to fix a game while in motion. I know i got impatient as many here but, with GR2 PC being axed, i can't quite complain about why we were overly excited about GRAW. We waited some years for GR2, then GRAW. But knowing then, what I know now, i would've opted to 1) have another developer to make the game that isn't so damn system intensive requiring folks to take out mortgages to even get the game playable. 2) would love to have a game that wasn't in reality a BETA. Crap, for $50 i paid for GRAW, I'd have gotten a decent hooker in a german redlight district! 3) the only good thing about my child support that just started is I might be able to prevent myself from buying crappy titles Like GRAW. I play it but with little excitement. i can't mod it because it will prevent me from playing on most gamespy servers. 4) Gamespy. this is the one thing in my mind that tells me that this game would suck. Gamespy is a big name, craptacular online gaming system that most online gamers who are serious about their games enjoyment, would even consider to install. there was a time before splintercell DA was released, that splintercell was the only title not to be buggared by the likes of UBISOFT. now, THAT franchise and all the lot are one pile of stinking cow turds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hey! It's rude to point young man! Where's your manners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaP7oR Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Papa, is not just GRAW that requires (required) people to upgrade... now SCDA and R6Vegas will demand that everyone has a shader model 3 card.. scratch me out cause I have a x850 XT that I thought would last for at least 1 year... not! So... count me out UBI, k?thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutlink Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 1) have another developer to make the game that isn't so damn system intensive requiring folks to take out mortgages to even get the game playable. 2) would love to have a game that wasn't in reality a BETA. Crap, for $50 i paid for GRAW, I'd have gotten a decent hooker in a german redlight district! 3) the only good thing about my child support that just started is I might be able to prevent myself from buying crappy titles Like GRAW. I play it but with little excitement. i can't mod it because it will prevent me from playing on most gamespy servers. 4) Gamespy. this is the one thing in my mind that tells me that this game would suck. Gamespy is a big name, craptacular online gaming system that most online gamers who are serious about their games enjoyment, would even consider to install. there was a time before splintercell DA was released, that splintercell was the only title not to be buggared by the likes of UBISOFT. now, THAT franchise and all the lot are one pile of stinking cow turds Ugh..... 1) You know you could build a PC for around $1,200 or so that would run GRAW rather well, don't you? Most of you just need to upgrade your graphics cards, and that you can do for less than $300 to be able to run the game on high settings, about $150 for medium/low settings. 2) It may have been a beta in your mind (along with many others here), but beta means it's in the last stages before production and final release, regardless of bugs. By definition this game was a beta in any reality. 3) Taste is different for everyone. Think of the one positive thing about not being able to use custom skins - you can't make a bright orange or blue to make it easier to spot your enemies. Plenty of that has happened in the past. 4) This I agree with. I hate having to register an e-mail for every account I make for GRAW. No game should have this since it becomes a pain in the ass to remember your password for a game you haven't played in a while to use your online profile. Flat out stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa6 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 i think that linux should step forward and make a stand. OPENGL needs to steal the gaming community with crappy titles. http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=847...Conference+2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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