psiturbo Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) Hello everybody, Thank you for having me here in this great forum. This opened topic is to whoever may help provide more information about the topic of cheating and hacking in GRAW. Please do not flame me without removing the gun out of the hulster. This is my own personal experience of playing GRAW online multiplayer mode. The following I have noticed: Be adviced I have a GeForce 7950 GX2 overclocked, 1 Gb of DDR2, Pentium D 2.80 Ghz, SATA HD with an Intel 945 chip motherboard. - Soldiers who when I shoot them run lightning fast or tend to float 10 feet on every step. For example this enemy soldier is running toward me, I shoot him and he moves to the side like 10 feet and on his next step like another 10 more. - I am on top of a platform 5 feet above the ground behin d a wall, this player passes me by, without even pointing up... shoots while he is still running the other way... ??? Mysteries of the dark side indeed! - In the next situation I am located North, this soldier is running from East to West less than 15 feet apart. I shoot him 7 times, he stops running, turns and shoots me and on one shot I am dead. - This other soldier, 6 shots straight to the chest less than 50 feet with the rifle while he is running toward me because I am in the dark inside one of the garages. He points and shoots while running. You all know that when Shift is pressed you cannot shoot... How he can do it? I have to say the most thing that bothers me is when I catch them running and they havent even stopped. I dont even hear the shot and then I am dead. Man many times I have to shoot about 10 or more shots to get them down. I am not the only one, I have read from other people as well who say many enemies are bullet proof. Ammunition, grenades: I have seen soldiers who have endless supply of grenades. Snipers who have an endless supply of bullets. I have even done it on purpose. Stand still in a corner and start counting sniper bullets from the same rifle. I know is the same and I know he is not back from a refresh life because of the menu that shows if he has been killed and who he snipes. Regarding my combat skills: I am no Rambo or The Punisher for any fact. I have seen my shooting accuracy is worst than crap, unless he is 4 feet away and still anyway the other person turns and shoots, how he does it, magic... ultra fast lightning precision. Here is this other example: Soldier is coming up a stairs, I am standing still waiting for him to come up. I shoot 5 times with the rifle, fully automatic looking thru the scope making sure all shots get the head. He does not go down... I see no rifle up to point and shoot, just he running... and boom I am dead once again. A lot of people may be sick of all the other people who are always complaining and whining. I state all the above because I do like GRAW a lot and it is very dissapointing that there certainly is some cheating going on. I am just discouraged and bummed out by all these. I get sick of spraying lead all over. I even shoot in a lower area because I know the rifle kicks badly. I dont use the heavy gunner nor the sniper rifle. Like I said, I am no marksmanship Expert, but c'mmon... I feel like I am playing against a battalion of Scarface high on crack cocaine with more lifes than a cat. Before I forget... This morning I was playing and killed myself quickly to be on Death Cam to check out other players. Map: Its the one that has all the fog and is like a construction factory grounds with almost no visibility. Anyhow here it goes; I am on Death CAM on some soldier, he is walking down an alley when he hears gun shots from different directions. He gets all desperate looking left and right, next thing I know he is standing about 15 feet almost at the other side... !?? The Twilight zone. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost. Who do I report to? How does it work? Please do not ban me, I like GRAW, I dont want to be seen as a whiner... I will try to get video of what I am talking about and post it whenever I can. Edited November 3, 2006 by HydroloK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hello everybody, Thank you for having me here in this great forum. This opened topic is to whoever may help provide more information about the topic of cheating and hacking in GRAW. Please do not flame me without removing the gun out of the hulster. This is my own personal experience of playing GRAW online multiplayer mode. The following I have noticed: Be adviced I have a GeForce 7950 GX2 overclocked, 1 Gb of DDR2, Pentium D 2.80 Ghz, SATA HD with an Intel 945 chip motherboard. - Soldiers who when I shoot them run lightning fast or tend to float 10 feet on every step. For example this enemy soldier is running toward me, I shoot him and he moves to the side like 10 feet and on his next step like another 10 more. - I am on top of a platform 5 feet above the ground behin d a wall, this player passes me by, without even pointing up... shoots while he is still running the other way... ??? Mysteries of the dark side indeed! - In the next situation I am located North, this soldier is running from East to West less than 15 feet apart. I shoot him 7 times, he stops running, turns and shoots me and on one shot I am dead. - This other soldier, 6 shots straight to the chest less than 50 feet with the rifle while he is running toward me because I am in the dark inside one of the garages. He points and shoots while running. You all know that when Shift is pressed you cannot shoot... How he can do it? I have to say the most thing that bothers me is when I catch them running and they havent even stopped. I dont even hear the shot and then I am dead. Man many times I have to shoot about 10 or more shots to get them down. I am not the only one, I have read from other people as well who say many enemies are bullet proof. Ammunition, grenades: I have seen soldiers who have endless supply of grenades. Snipers who have an endless supply of bullets. I have even done it on purpose. Stand still in a corner and start counting sniper bullets from the same rifle. I know is the same and I know he is not back from a refresh life because of the menu that shows if he has been killed and who he snipes. Regarding my combat skills: I am no Rambo or The Punisher for any fact. I have seen my shooting accuracy is worst than crap, unless he is 4 feet away and still anyway the other person turns and shoots, how he does it, magic... ultra fast lightning precision. Here is this other example: Soldier is coming up a stairs, I am standing still waiting for him to come up. I shoot 5 times with the rifle, fully automatic looking thru the scope making sure all shots get the head. He does not go down... I see no rifle up to point and shoot, just he running... and boom I am dead once again. A lot of people may be sick of all the other people who are always complaining and whining. I state all the above because I do like GRAW a lot and it is very dissapointing that there certainly is some cheating going on. I am just discouraged and bummed out by all these. I get sick of spraying lead all over. I even shoot in a lower area because I know the rifle kicks badly. I dont use the heavy gunner nor the sniper rifle. Like I said, I am no marksmanship Expert, but c'mmon... I feel like I am playing against a battalion of Scarface high on crack cocaine with more lifes than a cat. Before I forget... This morning I was playing and killed myself quickly to be on Death Cam to check out other players. Map: Its the one that has all the fog and is like a construction factory grounds with almost no visibility. Anyhow here it goes; I am on Death CAM on some soldier, he is walking down an alley when he hears gun shots from different directions. He gets all desperate looking left and right, next thing I know he is standing about 15 feet almost at the other side... !?? The Twilight zone. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost. Who do I report to? How does it work? Please do not ban me, I like GRAW, I dont want to be seen as a whiner... I will try to get video of what I am talking about and post it whenever I can. 1st, turn on night vision... it's a deathmatch you were playing correct? Sounds like video lag. 1st make sure if your card has an extra power connector that it's connected by itself to the video card. I recently had some issues with mine and found it did not like being slaved of my cdroms. Turn down the overclock then test. GRAW is VERY video card intensive. Your overclock may push the card past it's threshold in GRAW. Could be your connection also or ad software running. go to start, run, cmd.exe ping 141.158.133.236 -t 20 This will ping our game server 20 times. look to see if you have a cosistant ms (like 50ms for example on each ping give or take 5) if you start at 100ms for exampl, but see it spike to 300+ on and off... it's your connection. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost This i have only seen when someone dies. It happens... sometimes they twitch also. As for bullet proof... what gun you using? The MRC takes a lot of shots to kill someone. M8 and scar L take a medium amount but the fire rate is so high you can burst and kill quickly. Scar H usually drops them but kicks hard... support is good for close only and the sniper is almost always a 1 shot 1 kill if you can hit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPR_MiK Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 My clan server (british paras server) has run for hours and hours and i have spent a lot of time on there..i have never seen anyone cheating yet and have never seen any of the actions or situations you describe.. What internet connection do you have and what sort of pings do you get to the servers you are playing on ? What servers are you playing on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sui317 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 screenshots will help and server name and map name player name and maybe other game specifics it would be wise to go to the forum of the server (i think you were on the bda server cause i've seen you there and know what maps you discribe) pm the server admins there and give them movies or screenshots i think they will help you further what you discribe sounds terrible and i hope that it is some strange lag thing or some other error, if it is really a cheat this should be considered a real problem i will see if i can spot the same things when online though the running and shooting bit has caught my eye but i thought it was lag or slow animation but go to the admin of the server you were seeing this and report it in a pm , not to get flamed etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 but i thought it was lag or slow animation It is... i have seen it before and people have seen it with me. The animation isn't slow, it's just that you can do it with your mouse way quicker then in real life. Only way to fix would be to not allow the gun to fire until the animation is seen by the server i suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sui317 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) nevermind i am stupid .. Edited November 3, 2006 by sui317 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psiturbo Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 BPR_MIK quesion...> How do I get the password so I can play on that server? I am totally legit and in no intention to flood or corrupt the playing environment. I tried playing the British Paras for a few days and it worked fine. I could connect without a server, now it asks for a password. It did happened on one I did get kicked and dont know why, I follow the simple rules of no spawning, no team killing, camping, no cheating or altering files, no cursing, etc .... This game is out of this world. I am still polishing my skills and just going with the flow. Can you believe this? I take vacation days to play GRAW, nothing I ever saw myself doing. Like every game it has its flaws and bad glitches which I posted in the technical support. I am not making this up what I posted above. I will try to make some changes to the video card. I notice that I always get a ping of 50 to 60 all the time, in fact I dare to say I am usually the lowest one. Doesnt that mean anything? What is Punk Buster used for? Is it better to have the firewall on or off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 BPR_MIK quesion...> How do I get the password so I can play on that server? I am totally legit and in no intention to flood or corrupt the playing environment. I tried playing the British Paras for a few days and it worked fine. I could connect without a server, now it asks for a password. It did happened on one I did get kicked and dont know why, I follow the simple rules of no spawning, no team killing, camping, no cheating or altering files, no cursing, etc .... This game is out of this world. I am still polishing my skills and just going with the flow. Can you believe this? I take vacation days to play GRAW, nothing I ever saw myself doing. Like every game it has its flaws and bad glitches which I posted in the technical support. I am not making this up what I posted above. I will try to make some changes to the video card. I notice that I always get a ping of 50 to 60 all the time, in fact I dare to say I am usually the lowest one. Doesnt that mean anything? What is Punk Buster used for? Is it better to have the firewall on or off? What firewall do you have? zone alarm causes issues like you are describing... especially the free addition. I would only use the windows firewall while gaming. Shut any other off. Punk buster is an anticheat software used by some games... not GRAW though. Ping sounds good. Make sure like i said that it's consistant and not spiking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaP7oR Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 with a 60 ping, if you see another guy in the server, and he has 250 to 300 ping, you will see him warping all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPR_MiK Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 BPR_MIK quesion...> How do I get the password so I can play on that server? Sorry mate we have started matching on the server sometimes and we lock it when we are matching...If it`s locked we are in a match basically just come back later and it will be open.. If you got kicked and found the server locked when trying to rejoin it`s because we lock the server and then ask everybody to leave..But some people don`t see the writing so we have to kick them.. Sorry for this and i know it may look rude but we do ask 2 or 3 times first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTA:X Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 No one can be immortal, since its basically decided on your computer or on the server if your bullets hit the guy. Some players like me use a side step at range that requires you to constantly re-aim at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psiturbo Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) I know mwhat you mean about the side stepping. The enemy seems like it is dancing side to side to evade bullets. Lets be realistic, when I shoot 30 rounds within 20 feet pointing straight at somebody IMO there should be no side stepping to save there skin. C'mmon, I have shot soldiers from 8 feet away withe support machine gun. IMO I dont need to have the cross hairs 100% on him to make him/her go down. I even fan the rifle side to side to shred everything within that scope and still it does not eliminate the opponent unless the machine gun is fired almost to perfection. I see it this way that in real life you get shot with an Ak-47 or a sub machine gun there is no need to have Sharp shooter skills to get hit. The support rifle is like shooting with a shot gun that bullets (or pebbles) fan out to destroy everything on its way. Thats how the game is and there nothing I can do about it. Its love or leave it deal. I dont want any GRAW fans to get mad at me or anything like that. The support rifle has plenty of power to shred thru walls or bullet proof vests. Its just a game, I have fun and thats what counts but please dont try to cover the sky with the palm of your hand. The side stepping should work when using single shot, but I see it lame that is effective when also the person is receiving shots from a full automatic. Do the same thing on real life, in other words; its unreal and is a fact. So, this is a game of who has better skills dancing La Macarena while been showered with bullets? Its lame, I shoot somebody first on fully automatic there should be no doubt that soldier is going down, In My Opinion. This is the first game where I have to develop the unrealistic dancing evading skills. Edited November 8, 2006 by HydroloK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTA:X Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Lets be realistic Why start now? So, this is a game of who has better skills dancing La Macarena while been showered with bullets? Its lame, I shoot somebody first on fully automatic there should be no doubt that soldier is going down, In My Opinion. This is the first game where I have to develop the unrealistic dancing evading skills. Well it doesn't work on anyone for long. Most players know how to counter it now....it only extends the learning curve a bit. Not to mention, at close range tactics are completely different. Everyone walks around while they're shooting, it makes it just a little harder for the other guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrester Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hello everybody, Thank you for having me here in this great forum. This opened topic is to whoever may help provide more information about the topic of cheating and hacking in GRAW. Please do not flame me without removing the gun out of the hulster. This is my own personal experience of playing GRAW online multiplayer mode. The following I have noticed: Be adviced I have a GeForce 7950 GX2 overclocked, 1 Gb of DDR2, Pentium D 2.80 Ghz, SATA HD with an Intel 945 chip motherboard. - Soldiers who when I shoot them run lightning fast or tend to float 10 feet on every step. For example this enemy soldier is running toward me, I shoot him and he moves to the side like 10 feet and on his next step like another 10 more. - I am on top of a platform 5 feet above the ground behin d a wall, this player passes me by, without even pointing up... shoots while he is still running the other way... ??? Mysteries of the dark side indeed! - In the next situation I am located North, this soldier is running from East to West less than 15 feet apart. I shoot him 7 times, he stops running, turns and shoots me and on one shot I am dead. - This other soldier, 6 shots straight to the chest less than 50 feet with the rifle while he is running toward me because I am in the dark inside one of the garages. He points and shoots while running. You all know that when Shift is pressed you cannot shoot... How he can do it? I have to say the most thing that bothers me is when I catch them running and they havent even stopped. I dont even hear the shot and then I am dead. Man many times I have to shoot about 10 or more shots to get them down. I am not the only one, I have read from other people as well who say many enemies are bullet proof. Ammunition, grenades: I have seen soldiers who have endless supply of grenades. Snipers who have an endless supply of bullets. I have even done it on purpose. Stand still in a corner and start counting sniper bullets from the same rifle. I know is the same and I know he is not back from a refresh life because of the menu that shows if he has been killed and who he snipes. Regarding my combat skills: I am no Rambo or The Punisher for any fact. I have seen my shooting accuracy is worst than crap, unless he is 4 feet away and still anyway the other person turns and shoots, how he does it, magic... ultra fast lightning precision. Here is this other example: Soldier is coming up a stairs, I am standing still waiting for him to come up. I shoot 5 times with the rifle, fully automatic looking thru the scope making sure all shots get the head. He does not go down... I see no rifle up to point and shoot, just he running... and boom I am dead once again. A lot of people may be sick of all the other people who are always complaining and whining. I state all the above because I do like GRAW a lot and it is very dissapointing that there certainly is some cheating going on. I am just discouraged and bummed out by all these. I get sick of spraying lead all over. I even shoot in a lower area because I know the rifle kicks badly. I dont use the heavy gunner nor the sniper rifle. Like I said, I am no marksmanship Expert, but c'mmon... I feel like I am playing against a battalion of Scarface high on crack cocaine with more lifes than a cat. Before I forget... This morning I was playing and killed myself quickly to be on Death Cam to check out other players. Map: Its the one that has all the fog and is like a construction factory grounds with almost no visibility. Anyhow here it goes; I am on Death CAM on some soldier, he is walking down an alley when he hears gun shots from different directions. He gets all desperate looking left and right, next thing I know he is standing about 15 feet almost at the other side... !?? The Twilight zone. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost. Who do I report to? How does it work? Please do not ban me, I like GRAW, I dont want to be seen as a whiner... I will try to get video of what I am talking about and post it whenever I can. 1st, turn on night vision... it's a deathmatch you were playing correct? Sounds like video lag. 1st make sure if your card has an extra power connector that it's connected by itself to the video card. I recently had some issues with mine and found it did not like being slaved of my cdroms. Turn down the overclock then test. GRAW is VERY video card intensive. Your overclock may push the card past it's threshold in GRAW. Could be your connection also or ad software running. go to start, run, cmd.exe ping 141.158.133.236 -t 20 This will ping our game server 20 times. look to see if you have a cosistant ms (like 50ms for example on each ping give or take 5) if you start at 100ms for exampl, but see it spike to 300+ on and off... it's your connection. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost This i have only seen when someone dies. It happens... sometimes they twitch also. As for bullet proof... what gun you using? The MRC takes a lot of shots to kill someone. M8 and scar L take a medium amount but the fire rate is so high you can burst and kill quickly. Scar H usually drops them but kicks hard... support is good for close only and the sniper is almost always a 1 shot 1 kill if you can hit them. I noticed 1 gig system ram..... the rendering of your surroundings is slowed by that, the graphic card might have less to do with the flying troops.... When I had 1 gig ddr I often was killed by someone which just appeared to run on and didn't even point at me, it happens still sometimes (when much is going on, and especially on US servers....ping 180) Also I noticed that the processor might be on the week side, and then adding the memory lack....bingo No cheating encountered in GRAW yet, seen only some people climb objects they weren't supposed to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hello everybody, Thank you for having me here in this great forum. This opened topic is to whoever may help provide more information about the topic of cheating and hacking in GRAW. Please do not flame me without removing the gun out of the hulster. This is my own personal experience of playing GRAW online multiplayer mode. The following I have noticed: Be adviced I have a GeForce 7950 GX2 overclocked, 1 Gb of DDR2, Pentium D 2.80 Ghz, SATA HD with an Intel 945 chip motherboard. - Soldiers who when I shoot them run lightning fast or tend to float 10 feet on every step. For example this enemy soldier is running toward me, I shoot him and he moves to the side like 10 feet and on his next step like another 10 more. - I am on top of a platform 5 feet above the ground behin d a wall, this player passes me by, without even pointing up... shoots while he is still running the other way... ??? Mysteries of the dark side indeed! - In the next situation I am located North, this soldier is running from East to West less than 15 feet apart. I shoot him 7 times, he stops running, turns and shoots me and on one shot I am dead. - This other soldier, 6 shots straight to the chest less than 50 feet with the rifle while he is running toward me because I am in the dark inside one of the garages. He points and shoots while running. You all know that when Shift is pressed you cannot shoot... How he can do it? I have to say the most thing that bothers me is when I catch them running and they havent even stopped. I dont even hear the shot and then I am dead. Man many times I have to shoot about 10 or more shots to get them down. I am not the only one, I have read from other people as well who say many enemies are bullet proof. Ammunition, grenades: I have seen soldiers who have endless supply of grenades. Snipers who have an endless supply of bullets. I have even done it on purpose. Stand still in a corner and start counting sniper bullets from the same rifle. I know is the same and I know he is not back from a refresh life because of the menu that shows if he has been killed and who he snipes. Regarding my combat skills: I am no Rambo or The Punisher for any fact. I have seen my shooting accuracy is worst than crap, unless he is 4 feet away and still anyway the other person turns and shoots, how he does it, magic... ultra fast lightning precision. Here is this other example: Soldier is coming up a stairs, I am standing still waiting for him to come up. I shoot 5 times with the rifle, fully automatic looking thru the scope making sure all shots get the head. He does not go down... I see no rifle up to point and shoot, just he running... and boom I am dead once again. A lot of people may be sick of all the other people who are always complaining and whining. I state all the above because I do like GRAW a lot and it is very dissapointing that there certainly is some cheating going on. I am just discouraged and bummed out by all these. I get sick of spraying lead all over. I even shoot in a lower area because I know the rifle kicks badly. I dont use the heavy gunner nor the sniper rifle. Like I said, I am no marksmanship Expert, but c'mmon... I feel like I am playing against a battalion of Scarface high on crack cocaine with more lifes than a cat. Before I forget... This morning I was playing and killed myself quickly to be on Death Cam to check out other players. Map: Its the one that has all the fog and is like a construction factory grounds with almost no visibility. Anyhow here it goes; I am on Death CAM on some soldier, he is walking down an alley when he hears gun shots from different directions. He gets all desperate looking left and right, next thing I know he is standing about 15 feet almost at the other side... !?? The Twilight zone. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost. Who do I report to? How does it work? Please do not ban me, I like GRAW, I dont want to be seen as a whiner... I will try to get video of what I am talking about and post it whenever I can. 1st, turn on night vision... it's a deathmatch you were playing correct? Sounds like video lag. 1st make sure if your card has an extra power connector that it's connected by itself to the video card. I recently had some issues with mine and found it did not like being slaved of my cdroms. Turn down the overclock then test. GRAW is VERY video card intensive. Your overclock may push the card past it's threshold in GRAW. Could be your connection also or ad software running. go to start, run, cmd.exe ping 141.158.133.236 -t 20 This will ping our game server 20 times. look to see if you have a cosistant ms (like 50ms for example on each ping give or take 5) if you start at 100ms for exampl, but see it spike to 300+ on and off... it's your connection. Another soldier was in the map that has the center tower with the strong point. He is between the wall, half his body inside the building, the other half, outside like a real ghost This i have only seen when someone dies. It happens... sometimes they twitch also. As for bullet proof... what gun you using? The MRC takes a lot of shots to kill someone. M8 and scar L take a medium amount but the fire rate is so high you can burst and kill quickly. Scar H usually drops them but kicks hard... support is good for close only and the sniper is almost always a 1 shot 1 kill if you can hit them. I noticed 1 gig system ram..... the rendering of your surroundings is slowed by that, the graphic card might have less to do with the flying troops.... When I had 1 gig ddr I often was killed by someone which just appeared to run on and didn't even point at me, it happens still sometimes (when much is going on, and especially on US servers....ping 180) Also I noticed that the processor might be on the week side, and then adding the memory lack....bingo No cheating encountered in GRAW yet, seen only some people climb objects they weren't supposed to.... Same here on the cheating... only saw people on objects or outside the map, and it's been a while since either of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toniezz Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) No one can be immortal, since its basically decided on your computer or on the server if your bullets hit the guy. Some players like me use a side step at range that requires you to constantly re-aim at them. Why re-aim? Just hold your fire for one of the opponent' sidestep and shoot him in tha macarena ? Edited November 12, 2006 by Toniezz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 True. Haven't been outside the map in a while. Never really noticed that until you mentioned it... (not a cheating thing, so much as just a discovery deal when the current version was in BETA...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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