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Your damn right...

Most of the real fans played the original religiously daily for 4-5 years. DAMN! that's a long time for a game. MAybe not so great for business, but if Ubi was smart , they could have made about 5 more expansion packs, and I bet they would have flew off the shelves.

I would have bought them all and would still be playing everyday.

Now after no GR2, and AW. I wont buy another Ubi product. Unless they really put out a good GR game that is exactly what we wanted without a bunch of problems.

Correction...exactly how "you" would like it.

That is the problem.

Even the GR fans disagree on what makes it "the" game

GRAW has the immersion and matchability.

It has the SP story line campaign

The maps are big and fully interactive/playable

For me to make it "the game" it's pretty basic

#1 More spawn zones then 2 for matching.

#2 all maps that are playable in one mode are playable in all

#3 current bugs fixed (very important)

#4 Penalty for being hit (it's very little)... injuries and a hitbox showing where you are injured. Arm= worst aim chest = breathing problems and slower run. Legs limp... or at least problems running

#5 make the ret and hearbeat symbol mean something

#6 when post effects are low make the distance fogged or hazed out to emulate the way post effects high is. this gets rid of the distance limit

#7 change the way shadows are handled to increase performance without drawing in front of the player.

#8 change the animation for bringing up the gun to either faster so everyone sees it, or sync it somehow.

#9 make anticheat stable

#10 add an expansion with different terrain to the mix

#11 add random map function to server

These would do it for me... But i'm sure every Old GR player here has something different.

I don't want GR1. The engine couldn't be fixed to stop the left peek, tiptoe and crator glitches. I've moved on since and don't plan on going back as it's dead.

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Your damn right...

Most of the real fans played the original religiously daily for 4-5 years. DAMN! that's a long time for a game. MAybe not so great for business, but if Ubi was smart , they could have made about 5 more expansion packs, and I bet they would have flew off the shelves.

I would have bought them all and would still be playing everyday.

Now after no GR2, and AW. I wont buy another Ubi product. Unless they really put out a good GR game that is exactly what we wanted without a bunch of problems.

Correction...exactly how "you" would like it.

That is the problem.

Even the GR fans disagree on what makes it "the" game

GRAW has the immersion and matchability.

It has the SP story line campaign

The maps are big and fully interactive/playable

For me to make it "the game" it's pretty basic

#1 More spawn zones then 2 for matching.

#2 all maps that are playable in one mode are playable in all

#3 current bugs fixed (very important)

#4 Penalty for being hit (it's very little)... injuries and a hitbox showing where you are injured. Arm= worst aim chest = breathing problems and slower run. Legs limp... or at least problems running

#5 make the ret and hearbeat symbol mean something

#6 when post effects are low make the distance fogged or hazed out to emulate the way post effects high is. this gets rid of the distance limit

#7 change the way shadows are handled to increase performance without drawing in front of the player.

#8 change the animation for bringing up the gun to either faster so everyone sees it, or sync it somehow.

#9 make anticheat stable

#10 add an expansion with different terrain to the mix

#11 add random map function to server

These would do it for me... But i'm sure every Old GR player here has something different.

I don't want GR1. The engine couldn't be fixed to stop the left peek, tiptoe and crator glitches. I've moved on since and don't plan on going back as it's dead.

I think you got most of it there...start with that and the community would be much happier.

Papa6...do you hear the sad music from the end of "the Hulk" tv show? That's a depressing tune.

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Your damn right...

Most of the real fans played the original religiously daily for 4-5 years. DAMN! that's a long time for a game. MAybe not so great for business, but if Ubi was smart , they could have made about 5 more expansion packs, and I bet they would have flew off the shelves.

I would have bought them all and would still be playing everyday.

Now after no GR2, and AW. I wont buy another Ubi product. Unless they really put out a good GR game that is exactly what we wanted without a bunch of problems.

Correction...exactly how "you" would like it.

That is the problem.

Even the GR fans disagree on what makes it "the" game

GRAW has the immersion and matchability.

It has the SP story line campaign

The maps are big and fully interactive/playable

For me to make it "the game" it's pretty basic

#1 More spawn zones then 2 for matching.

#2 all maps that are playable in one mode are playable in all

#3 current bugs fixed (very important)

#4 Penalty for being hit (it's very little)... injuries and a hitbox showing where you are injured. Arm= worst aim chest = breathing problems and slower run. Legs limp... or at least problems running

#5 make the ret and hearbeat symbol mean something

#6 when post effects are low make the distance fogged or hazed out to emulate the way post effects high is. this gets rid of the distance limit

#7 change the way shadows are handled to increase performance without drawing in front of the player.

#8 change the animation for bringing up the gun to either faster so everyone sees it, or sync it somehow.

#9 make anticheat stable

#10 add an expansion with different terrain to the mix

#11 add random map function to server

These would do it for me... But i'm sure every Old GR player here has something different.

I don't want GR1. The engine couldn't be fixed to stop the left peek, tiptoe and crator glitches. I've moved on since and don't plan on going back as it's dead.

Well obviously how it is now, is not how most people would like it to be. So they could atleast make it so most people are happy.

Why couldnt GR1 be fixed on those things?

and there was nothing ever wrong with "normal" tiptoe.

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Your damn right...

Most of the real fans played the original religiously daily for 4-5 years. DAMN! that's a long time for a game. MAybe not so great for business, but if Ubi was smart , they could have made about 5 more expansion packs, and I bet they would have flew off the shelves.

I would have bought them all and would still be playing everyday.

Now after no GR2, and AW. I wont buy another Ubi product. Unless they really put out a good GR game that is exactly what we wanted without a bunch of problems.

Correction...exactly how "you" would like it.

That is the problem.

Even the GR fans disagree on what makes it "the" game

GRAW has the immersion and matchability.

It has the SP story line campaign

The maps are big and fully interactive/playable

For me to make it "the game" it's pretty basic

#1 More spawn zones then 2 for matching.

#2 all maps that are playable in one mode are playable in all

#3 current bugs fixed (very important)

#4 Penalty for being hit (it's very little)... injuries and a hitbox showing where you are injured. Arm= worst aim chest = breathing problems and slower run. Legs limp... or at least problems running

#5 make the ret and hearbeat symbol mean something

#6 when post effects are low make the distance fogged or hazed out to emulate the way post effects high is. this gets rid of the distance limit

#7 change the way shadows are handled to increase performance without drawing in front of the player.

#8 change the animation for bringing up the gun to either faster so everyone sees it, or sync it somehow.

#9 make anticheat stable

#10 add an expansion with different terrain to the mix

#11 add random map function to server

These would do it for me... But i'm sure every Old GR player here has something different.

I don't want GR1. The engine couldn't be fixed to stop the left peek, tiptoe and crator glitches. I've moved on since and don't plan on going back as it's dead.

Well obviously how it is now, is not how most people would like it to be. So they could atleast make it so most people are happy.

Why couldnt GR1 be fixed on those things?

and there was nothing ever wrong with "normal" tiptoe.

You couldn't be hit with normal tiptoe... check out our banlist...on our website... look for zeus in the GR1 ban list. You'll see why

They did make most happy... there are i bet more single players / peeps that never played GRAW then this community.

I think it was the engine.. as even the IT patch still left the glitches. As for the boom... Red Storm said. " the game is no longer supported" when the community asked for it to be fixed.

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Then you dont know anything about normal tiptoe lol

You can easily be hit with normal tiptoe. Shot many many many TT heads. Usually show more skin then peeking a corner. There are other tiptoes where you cant be seen. But you can be seen and shot with normal TT.

I dont think it was a matter of not being able to fix those things, but more of too much work to do so.

As for Zeus

Well He tiptoed, but he could be seen.

and I didnt see tight peek.

They are NOT the same thing.

I also didnt see names.

I did look at the replay for scanneR_ which was accused of TT.

That TT was perfectly a legal TT, all he did was peek over and over not even a sidestep TT which you see higher BUT CAN STILL BE SEEN , didnt even see or shoot anyone either. He could 100% without doubt be seen while doing that TT.

http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1175

and I think its funny how a bunch of noobs back you up as if they know what they are talking about.

I also think its funny that SIN said its hard to TT lol

I also looked at the MaXiMuS replays where hes accused of Names.

Didnt see names. Nothing at all on Aurora, some stuff that was weird on Mountain, but after reviewing it over and over I came to the conclusion there was no viable proof. I could easily explain away alot of the seemingly fishy stuff.

If you think what these guys are doing is cheating and unfair, god knows how many legit players you have banned for being good. You obviously havent played with the best players in the game. Or atleast you thought they were cheating.

If you played with me and my clan when we played you would ###### yourself and call us all hackers.

and as for the boom, yes they said because its not supported anymore, but omg like it would have been hard for them to release a little fix, they didnt even have to do any work to figuer it out. It was all open source.

The same guy who made grboom, even released the fix himself.

They could have just supported his [Thing that should not be spoken of here IAW Forum Rule 3.7] boom fix so it would be detected correctly.

what grboom did, was send a name longer then what was supported in the game causing it to crash. (I forget how long.)

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Then you dont know anything about normal tiptoe lol

You can easily be hit with normal tiptoe. Shot many many many TT heads. Usually show more skin then peeking a corner. There are other tiptoes where you cant be seen. But you can be seen and shot with normal TT.

I dont think it was a matter of not being able to fix those things, but more of too much work to do so.

As for Zeus

Well He tiptoed, but he could be seen.

and I didnt see tight peek.

They are NOT the same thing.

I also didnt see names.

With boom i see you get my point. It could have been fixed. But they were going to let it die. We sent him the fix that that guy that made it created. they wouldn't implement it.

I did look at the replay for scanneR_ which was accused of TT.

That TT was perfectly a legal TT, all he did was peek over and over not even a sidestep TT which you see higher BUT CAN STILL BE SEEN , didnt even see or shoot anyone either. He could 100% without doubt be seen while doing that TT.

http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1175

and I think its funny how a bunch of noobs back you up as if they know what they are talking about.

I also think its funny that SIN said its hard to TT lol

I also looked at the MaXiMuS replays where hes accused of Names.

Didnt see names. Nothing at all on Aurora, some stuff that was weird on Mountain, but after reviewing it over and over I came to the conclusion there was no viable proof. I could easily explain away alot of the seemingly fishy stuff.

If you think what these guys are doing is cheating and unfair, god knows how many legit players you have banned for being good. You obviously havent played with the best players in the game. Or atleast you thought they were cheating.

If you played with me and my clan when we played you would ###### yourself and call us all hackers.

and as for the boom, yes they said because its not supported anymore, but omg like it would have been hard for them to release a little fix, they didnt even have to do any work to figuer it out. It was all open source.

The same guy who made grboom, even released the fix himself.

They could have just supported his [Thing that should not be spoken of here IAW Forum Rule 3.7] boom fix so it would be detected correctly.

what grboom did, was send a name longer then what was supported in the game causing it to crash. (I forget how long.)

Zeus could be seen but not hit. He was busted for names during a match later. (not by us, for names)

Sin ment... hard to do tiptoe as in no way to do it by accident. btw he also has been around since the demo as have i. No noobs here.

There was other oddities with maximus. If i remember correctly...but it's been a while. Watch it with names off and see if there is ANYWAY you would do what he does. then watch it with names.

Here is one of the best examples though... watch this guy... (names and retlock) http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1071

I don't think there is a clan / player we hadn't played against at some point. They are only banned if we can prove it in a replay. Tiptoe of any type was banned in the ladders we played in therefore we banned for people using it on our server. (Ladders were TCZ, TWL)

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Then you dont know anything about normal tiptoe lol

You can easily be hit with normal tiptoe. Shot many many many TT heads. Usually show more skin then peeking a corner. There are other tiptoes where you cant be seen. But you can be seen and shot with normal TT.

I dont think it was a matter of not being able to fix those things, but more of too much work to do so.

As for Zeus

Well He tiptoed, but he could be seen.

and I didnt see tight peek.

They are NOT the same thing.

I also didnt see names.

I did look at the replay for scanneR_ which was accused of TT.

That TT was perfectly a legal TT, all he did was peek over and over not even a sidestep TT which you see higher BUT CAN STILL BE SEEN , didnt even see or shoot anyone either. He could 100% without doubt be seen while doing that TT.

http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1175

and I think its funny how a bunch of noobs back you up as if they know what they are talking about.

I also think its funny that SIN said its hard to TT lol

I also looked at the MaXiMuS replays where hes accused of Names.

Didnt see names. Nothing at all on Aurora, some stuff that was weird on Mountain, but after reviewing it over and over I came to the conclusion there was no viable proof. I could easily explain away alot of the seemingly fishy stuff.

If you think what these guys are doing is cheating and unfair, god knows how many legit players you have banned for being good. You obviously havent played with the best players in the game. Or atleast you thought they were cheating.

If you played with me and my clan when we played you would ###### yourself and call us all hackers.

and as for the boom, yes they said because its not supported anymore, but omg like it would have been hard for them to release a little fix, they didnt even have to do any work to figuer it out. It was all open source.

The same guy who made grboom, even released the fix himself.

They could have just supported his [Thing that should not be spoken of here IAW Forum Rule 3.7] boom fix so it would be detected correctly.

what grboom did, was send a name longer then what was supported in the game causing it to crash. (I forget how long.)

Damn straight AMMO, theres a lot of silly clans out there that because theyve played for so long that they think they know what there talking about when it comes to cheating. I was ejected from a team not long ago accusing me of using names :nono: because the team was getting owned in a big way by me. I intend to get proof of this that i play fair and when im done someones head is goin to be on the chopping block. :whack:

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Then you dont know anything about normal tiptoe lol

You can easily be hit with normal tiptoe. Shot many many many TT heads. Usually show more skin then peeking a corner. There are other tiptoes where you cant be seen. But you can be seen and shot with normal TT.

I dont think it was a matter of not being able to fix those things, but more of too much work to do so.

As for Zeus

Well He tiptoed, but he could be seen.

and I didnt see tight peek.

They are NOT the same thing.

I also didnt see names.

With boom i see you get my point. It could have been fixed. But they were going to let it die. We sent him the fix that that guy that made it created. they wouldn't implement it.

I did look at the replay for scanneR_ which was accused of TT.

That TT was perfectly a legal TT, all he did was peek over and over not even a sidestep TT which you see higher BUT CAN STILL BE SEEN , didnt even see or shoot anyone either. He could 100% without doubt be seen while doing that TT.

http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1175

and I think its funny how a bunch of noobs back you up as if they know what they are talking about.

I also think its funny that SIN said its hard to TT lol

I also looked at the MaXiMuS replays where hes accused of Names.

Didnt see names. Nothing at all on Aurora, some stuff that was weird on Mountain, but after reviewing it over and over I came to the conclusion there was no viable proof. I could easily explain away alot of the seemingly fishy stuff.

If you think what these guys are doing is cheating and unfair, god knows how many legit players you have banned for being good. You obviously havent played with the best players in the game. Or atleast you thought they were cheating.

If you played with me and my clan when we played you would ###### yourself and call us all hackers.

and as for the boom, yes they said because its not supported anymore, but omg like it would have been hard for them to release a little fix, they didnt even have to do any work to figuer it out. It was all open source.

The same guy who made grboom, even released the fix himself.

They could have just supported his [Thing that should not be spoken of here IAW Forum Rule 3.7] boom fix so it would be detected correctly.

what grboom did, was send a name longer then what was supported in the game causing it to crash. (I forget how long.)

Zeus could be seen but not hit. He was busted for names during a match later. (not by us, for names)

Sin ment... hard to do tiptoe as in no way to do it by accident. btw he also has been around since the demo as have i. No noobs here.

There was other oddities with maximus. If i remember correctly...but it's been a while. Watch it with names off and see if there is ANYWAY you would do what he does. then watch it with names.

Here is one of the best examples though... watch this guy... (names and retlock) http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1071

I don't think there is a clan / player we hadn't played against at some point. They are only banned if we can prove it in a replay. Tiptoe of any type was banned in the ladders we played in therefore we banned for people using it on our server. (Ladders were TCZ, TWL)

If you can be seen, you can be shot. I dont know about him being busted for names since I didnt watch that replay.

Zeus only did normal TT and I could shoot him where ever he did it. I have shot people in those places before.

I've played thousands of hours with TTing and tight peeking, I know how it works. Thats how we all played. TT and Tight Peek was legal, as long as you showed skin it was legal. TI and no spawns.

I watched maximus over and over again, I watched him with names on and off I took into account video settings, sounds, map, and TI from where the enemy shot their guns.

and yes, I think that I could have done what he did.

Point out and explain a specific thing you think as cheating and I'll tell you why I think it was legit. IF I can.

That Ghost one, was obvious.

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Then you dont know anything about normal tiptoe lol

You can easily be hit with normal tiptoe. Shot many many many TT heads. Usually show more skin then peeking a corner. There are other tiptoes where you cant be seen. But you can be seen and shot with normal TT.

I dont think it was a matter of not being able to fix those things, but more of too much work to do so.

As for Zeus

Well He tiptoed, but he could be seen.

and I didnt see tight peek.

They are NOT the same thing.

I also didnt see names.

With boom i see you get my point. It could have been fixed. But they were going to let it die. We sent him the fix that that guy that made it created. they wouldn't implement it.

I did look at the replay for scanneR_ which was accused of TT.

That TT was perfectly a legal TT, all he did was peek over and over not even a sidestep TT which you see higher BUT CAN STILL BE SEEN , didnt even see or shoot anyone either. He could 100% without doubt be seen while doing that TT.

http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1175

and I think its funny how a bunch of noobs back you up as if they know what they are talking about.

I also think its funny that SIN said its hard to TT lol

I also looked at the MaXiMuS replays where hes accused of Names.

Didnt see names. Nothing at all on Aurora, some stuff that was weird on Mountain, but after reviewing it over and over I came to the conclusion there was no viable proof. I could easily explain away alot of the seemingly fishy stuff.

If you think what these guys are doing is cheating and unfair, god knows how many legit players you have banned for being good. You obviously havent played with the best players in the game. Or atleast you thought they were cheating.

If you played with me and my clan when we played you would ###### yourself and call us all hackers.

and as for the boom, yes they said because its not supported anymore, but omg like it would have been hard for them to release a little fix, they didnt even have to do any work to figuer it out. It was all open source.

The same guy who made grboom, even released the fix himself.

They could have just supported his [Thing that should not be spoken of here IAW Forum Rule 3.7] boom fix so it would be detected correctly.

what grboom did, was send a name longer then what was supported in the game causing it to crash. (I forget how long.)

Zeus could be seen but not hit. He was busted for names during a match later. (not by us, for names)

Sin ment... hard to do tiptoe as in no way to do it by accident. btw he also has been around since the demo as have i. No noobs here.

There was other oddities with maximus. If i remember correctly...but it's been a while. Watch it with names off and see if there is ANYWAY you would do what he does. then watch it with names.

Here is one of the best examples though... watch this guy... (names and retlock) http://www.attackforcez.com/index.php?name...opic&t=1071

I don't think there is a clan / player we hadn't played against at some point. They are only banned if we can prove it in a replay. Tiptoe of any type was banned in the ladders we played in therefore we banned for people using it on our server. (Ladders were TCZ, TWL)

If you can be seen, you can be shot. I dont know about him being busted for names since I didnt watch that replay.

Zeus only did normal TT and I could shoot him where ever he did it. I have shot people in those places before.

I've played thousands of hours with TTing and tight peeking, I know how it works. Thats how we all played. TT and Tight Peek was legal, as long as you showed skin it was legal. TI and no spawns.

I watched maximus over and over again, I watched him with names on and off I took into account video settings, sounds, map, and TI from where the enemy shot their guns.

and yes, I think that I could have done what he did.

Point out and explain a specific thing you think as cheating and I'll tell you why I think it was legit. IF I can.

That Ghost one, was obvious.

You must be European as they are the only ladders/leagues to my knowledge that allowed TT. When he gets on the east side of redsquare in that thing, you can't hit him from down below... heck you can't see him as he was picking everyone off. TipToeing is a game glitch. It wasn't ment to be there. Those that use it, are taking advantage of a flaw in the game, therefore it's cheating. Same goes for tightpeeking... and i don't mean leaning left and half way into your lean letting go of the button.

GR1 was flawed also that your vision was over your left ear... therefore when you peeked left less of you showed then peeking right which exposed far more.

I don't have GR1 loaded anymore (after my last reload) or i would look over them again.

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No Im not euro. I didnt play on CL which is the settings we played, I dont know if it was a euro ladder or not.

But I mainly sticked to version 1.0 after no TI and spawns took over 1.4, couldnt stand the noobiness.

We didnt have real ladders, but we clan battled each other and took scores on our own websites.

and yes, you can be shot TTing in that little platform in the back of RS. and yes I did see him from observing the other teams members.

I dont care weither you think its cheating or taking advantage of some flaw.

It was in the game, and if you used normal TT you could be seen and shot. It made the games alot harder and leet. Combined with TI and NO spawns, it was the best way to play the game. You had to be smart and skilled to play that way.

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No Im not euro. I didnt play on CL which is the settings we played, I dont know if it was a euro ladder or not.

But I mainly sticked to version 1.0 after no TI and spawns took over 1.4, couldnt stand the noobiness.

We didnt have real ladders, but we clan battled each other and took scores on our own websites.

and yes, you can be shot TTing in that little platform in the back of RS. and yes I did see him from observing the other teams members.

I dont care weither you think its cheating or taking advantage of some flaw.

It was in the game, and if you used normal TT you could be seen and shot. It made the games alot harder and leet. Combined with TI and NO spawns, it was the best way to play the game. You had to be smart and skilled to play that way.

Harder and leet... look at zeus... he looks like he broke his neck 50 times in a row... can i say bunnyhopping counterstrike like tatic? It's not skill, it's called setting up a macro to do it for you. On the ladders it is always no spawns. On the public servers usually 3.

Just to clarify taking advantage of a flaw in a game IS CHEATING.

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You just havent experienced it so you dont know what its like.

and Zeus was camping it against a bunch of noobs who cant shoot heads.

You have no idea what its like with the best players playing like that. He would have been taken out in a second TTing there in the same spot.

Macro? Never have I heard of anyone using a macro to TT.

Just to clarify what does it matter if its a flaw? Its a flaw that just makes the game that much better IMO.

It doesnt make them invisible or impossible to kill. Just makes it harder to see and kill them. Making the game alot harder.

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You just havent experienced it so you dont know what its like.

and Zeus was camping it against a bunch of noobs who cant shoot heads.

You have no idea what its like with the best players playing like that. He would have been taken out in a second TTing there in the same spot.

Macro? Never have I heard of anyone using a macro to TT.

Just to clarify what does it matter if its a flaw? Its a flaw that just makes the game that much better IMO.

It doesnt make them invisible or impossible to kill. Just makes it harder to see and kill them. Making the game alot harder.

LOL!!! The best? You said you didn't ladder. You haven't seen the best then.

If you like flaws, then you should currently Love GRAW.

I suppose in Graw you think it's ok to go outside the map and rape spawners in from behind?

And using the word noob... lol you have to be like 12 or something.

You my friend wouldn't have made it very long in public servers as tiptoeing was classed as cheating and the ACC would have had you banned from every server.

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