OGR COOP Servers: Please Turn Your Anti-Cheat OFF

[silent_op]

[GR] COOP Servers:

Please Turn Your Anti-Cheat OFF

It seems that most of the [GR] COOP servers are running with Anti-Cheat set as True (ON). Why is this? By running the Anti-Cheat, you block all modded players from joining. Now everyone has their own tastes, so some may be running the Anti-Cheat set to True because they like all of GR:AW's features as is.

In adversarial modes, Anti-Cheat may have a certain importance. In [GR] COOP (or any COOP), Mods are usually more prevalent for these modes.

For those who would like to experience GR:AW with mods such as:

GR:AW Community Mod Pack v1.5

Blood Effects

Agent Smith's Effects Mod (Blood)

That was only naming a few. Check Ghost Recon.net Downloads :: Ghost Recon 3 Advanced Warfighter for more mods.

silent_op

Edited October 12, 2006 by silent_op

[Evilducky]

good luck changing peoples minds on this one...

[kretzj]

good luck changing peoples minds on this one...

Agreed. Purely my opinion, but I think this ain't gonna go far...

...nor does it address the true root cause problem - GRAW doesn't have a modern anit-cheat system. Without this, it will always be a compromise, and another reason why I doubt the GRAW mod community will ever be as prevelant as [GR]... just too much of a hassle involved, from start to finish, as a user.

-jk

Callsign 3Point

[RLCSeMPeRFi]

What would stop cheaters from using double damage, god modes, wall hacks, ect.?

[Evilducky]

Ill stop using my mods, when the AI cant go from a idle position, to the ready, do a 180 turn, and aim and shoot you in the head through 4 layers of trees or the second you pop out from somewhere in under .5 seconds...

Edited October 12, 2006 by Evilducky

[Dannik]

What would stop cheaters from using double damage, god modes, wall hacks, ect.?

Nothing, except the folks you are playing with would probably look at you funny for wall hacking to take out the AI.

[Nutlink]

There's also the occasional arrogant.......donkey......that decides it'd be fun to play with those cheats but to use them to TK people. And if no admin is on, good luck doing a vote kick. Most people don't know how to start or place a vote, and even sometimes just don't care, leave, and go to another server. We just need a better AC to fix this problem though.

[sui317]

i think there should be modded servers around

with the anti cheat on, and a good mod or set of mods

maybe people should join forces and mod and map together so mods can be bundled and the anti cheat can be on

this way you are also able to spread the mods like maps and more people can enjoy them

it is just a thought, ignore me if i make no sence at all

when this is not even posible or any thing

hell i am just awake

[MikSnoopy]

Wow, I was expecting something differnt.

The only reason I would want AC off, is because I belive the AC is still causing alot of drops that arn't needed - not because I want to use some mod.

[Cpl Ledanek]

I just want to revive this thread because, since there's a growing number of [GR] player that are getting older, busy, short on MP time, but still wants to play these new COOP/[GR] Maps single player style.

Meaning, some of us, can't find time to gather players to enjoy this map and had to play SP on this map.

And its often very difficult.

Understandably, because modders made it for 2-more players.

Very clear with that issue.

So some of us old folks, have turned on the god_mode.

Since getting old and getting senile goes hand in hand, we forget to turn the god_mode off when we do, eventually, to play MP.

So forgive us, please.

[FI_FlimFlam]

Everyone should have the opportunity to play the way they want to. To an extent.

/me pulls on fire retardant flame suit

This is a double edged sword however. In that it allows people to essentially run different versions of the game in the same server. At it's most simple, it's not different from cheating in that you are running different code than the server and other people in the same server. It's how it's used that makes the difference to some people while others draw no difference at all. But that is for another discussion so don't try to start a modding vs cheating discussion from my comments because that is not my intention.

GRIN has allowed this situation by their adherance to the old philosophy of allowing any and all mods without any kind of structure or restrictions.

What they need to do is implement a system where mods are activated at the startup menu and players using a mod can only see servers running the same mod. Some of you are going to be upset by this viewpoint because you will see it as limiting. Especially those who make "smaller" mods, or just have tweaked your own game for a personal mod. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it will encourage the packaging the mods under one mod package that people can run and then also easily host and you can easily find servers running the same exact game as you.

As a server provider, I'm not necesarily concerned by someone running the blood mod or uniform mod, or even a weapons mod per se. What I am concerned with is that EVERYONE in the server is playing the same game with the same capabilities and features. Right now that isn't the case if I leave the AC off. Currently we have it off because it's more annoying to have it on with the random crashes and kicks than for the people abusing mods in our [GR] server (so far). I know I have offended more than one person asking them to refrain from using weapon mods while others have been respectful. I pay for my server and I want everyone to have the same capabilities in it - is that so wrong? If you think it is wrong, I ask you what's stopping you from renting a server or hosting one your self? And if you do, how would you handle people coming with a speed/UBER weapon mod/invincibility mod and sprinting through the maps 10x's faster than leaving you with no kills and no teamwork whatsoever because those are the mods they like to play with? Do they have a right to come into your server and dictate how the game should be played rather than you the host?

Is anyone's "right" to play the game they way they want to any more important than someone else's?

Now if you were to host a modded server with a particular mod(set of mods) on it, and only people running that mod could see it then wouldn't that solve the issue? Mods aren't prevented from being used, but you are only allowed to even just see like modded servers in the server browser. You aren't given the opportunity to join differently modded or even unmodded servers. This is how the majority of multiplayer games handle mods and it keeps these kinds of conflicts from happening because it keeps players in the server playing the exact same game.

If GRIN can handle the mods in a better way, most of the complaining and issues that are occurring with mods would go away. It's something I really hope they implement in GRAW2.

[sui317]

lately i have been playing with friends online [GR] coop

and when we have cheats off we get people with two primairies and automatic snipers, (easy to spot tweaks)

we try to play clean and then some one comes and ruins our hard work

by cheating, well we think it is cheating, so we turn on the AC

and it is a pain when someone comes with an auto sniper and starts blazing away 100 rounds just next to you.... (just the sound is enough to get ###### about)

as for mods, we tried some mods for our fun games and they work well

but we prefer the original settings, and some custom maps.

[Rpghard]

lately i have been playing with friends online [GR] coop

and when we have cheats off we get people with two primairies and automatic snipers, (easy to spot tweaks)

we try to play clean and then some one comes and ruins our hard work

by cheating, well we think it is cheating, so we turn on the AC

and it is a pain when someone comes with an auto sniper and starts blazing away 100 rounds just next to you.... (just the sound is enough to get ###### about)

as for mods, we tried some mods for our fun games and they work well

but we prefer the original settings, and some custom maps.

Ya same here I just can't stand the auto sniper sound and when you don't use mods you don't see their guns and they run twice fast as you.I have more fun on server that turn the AC on.Mine is on and it will stay on until GRIN decide to put a mods activated control in the server menu.I know their some good mods but it will be more fun if everybody use the same like in GR1.If you turn AC off your server will become a ZOO very fast.I am very glad that most of the good servers as turned their AC on they realise the fairness of it.

[Cpl Ledanek]

me being old and grumpy, I hate it when someone "takes" away your time. like a movie critic once said, critics are there to make sure your 2hrs is not wasted, coz you'll never get them back.

my first MP was LAN that was a blast! Doom

my next MP was online, DeltaForceLandWarrior, on dial-up, ouch! someone stepped on me or was stabbing me,coz my connection was slooooowww.

yrs later was CS, on dialup, bad enough it was slow, someone was cheating. major turn off

yrs later RB6, can't connect.???duh wrong patch. didn't know what patch was.

yrs later RB6,finally figured out what a patch was. finally got on one server. had a blast.

month later,can't get on same server. didn't have the same mod. whatdahell is mod...turned off

yrs later, found out what mod was. finally was able to play.DTD took my mod-virginity

yrs later...got really old and said to myself...i need a wife.

MP GROUNDED FOR LIFE!

yrs later i started having mortgages....meaning had to work more hrs = even lesser MP

THEN, I discovered "seperate day off" from wife. YIPEEE!

I got to play with some good folks in here. VERY GOOD TIME

yrs later GRAW came with a newer MP style....i'm too old to catch up.

but i can watch (via YouTube or Putfile) the frustration that some of you true gamers experience with these cheaters.

taking away what good gaming is about. I understand the "stolen time" you folks have unwillingly experienced.

I still toll away at SP, so I have myself to blame if I didn't play good. GRAW ruined it by lack of save points. I understand it sometimes why its there, but for old folks like me with very little "seperate day off" that small window of gaming time is very precious.

lately I had to resort to enabling the god_mode to get to the juicy part. once I'm there, I play as if the god_mode is turned off. i still use the Tac-Map, position my teammates carefully, peak around the corner, using the body-awareness feature, check my Tac-Map once more, peak again, use the scope, get a good aim,use the Tac-Map once again, making sure no enemy AI is flanking me or near us, use the scope, take one good aim, then double-tap.

hide behind my cover, check the Tac-Map. make sure the coast is clear.

then I move to next objective.

almost forgetting that I'm still in god_mode.

i wish everyone plays in some degree like me. but in reality we are all different. thats why in my x-fire account I think theres only 4-5 ppl. despite the numerous good ppl in here.

and i still feel faithful that there are a dozen here.

i wish we can get rid of cheaters.

but we can't

i wish we all have decent paying jobs so we can stay home and play more.

but we can't

i wish we all have more time to get together, have a blast, play competitively, and have good time, leaving a game wanting to play more next time with the same folks.

but we can't

on days that we do, i would like to thank you in advance for the wonderful gaming time you have shared respectfully.

[RAWLOWJACK]

So your telling me theres a god_mode....? YeeHaww!!!!

Most of the servers running their A/C on dont want everyone using sniper rifles with 10 shot clips (<- i think)

and the MR-C68 that has a near perfect aim to hit and kil ratio. At least thats why I thought.

But them ###### have a god_mode and nobody tells me huh?

Seems like I'm always the last to give a ###### about cheats and cheaters.

[Melroy]

Mostly i host my own [GR] server, and i really hate the auto snipers. In the beginning, somethimes i asked the person friendly to change his weapon, The answer to that question was mostly rude, respectless, etc.

Thats for me a reason to use the /ban command.

So now i host all the time with the AC option on.