Defcon-Rich Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I hear ya Talon, be interesting to see how they can make it happen at those prices. I'd love to be able to have cheap prices. But alas GRIN REQUIRES a dedicated server, and a robust one at that. Why GRIN recommended we use Dual Core processors. Not HT processors. We have been in business longer then 99% of the Game Server companies on the net for good reason and it's not because we hire dummies.. If you cannot run the servers effectively I would implore you to hire better Game Server techs. How we set our prices is not a reason for discussion and emailing us on the pretense of being a potential customer is just wrong.. Please be more "up front" next time. If you would like to know something just ask. Good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdhmorri01 Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 If you would like to know something just ask. Rich I have sent a couple of emails to your customer support, have verified both, any idea when I might get a reply? You know what would be cool. A section in the forum just for ISP's to list there service, and prices. 1 post each that they could edit at anytime to update the prices, location and any specials. Just a thought. A very good idea indeed, perhaps an admin will come along and start a sticky? It would save a lot of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I hear ya Talon, be interesting to see how they can make it happen at those prices. I'd love to be able to have cheap prices. But alas GRIN REQUIRES a dedicated server, and a robust one at that. Why GRIN recommended we use Dual Core processors. Not HT processors. We have been in business longer then 99% of the Game Server companies on the net for good reason and it's not because we hire dummies.. If you cannot run the servers effectively I would implore you to hire better Game Server techs. How we set our prices is not a reason for discussion and emailing us on the pretense of being a potential customer is just wrong.. Please be more "up front" next time. If you would like to know something just ask. Good day. Well lemme see, we have been around since 1997 so we can't be that inept, we have clients such as General Electric, British Petroleum to mention a few. As far as sending emails to competitors, you should try checking out your competition. Standard fare for ISP's bro, if you think thats the first email from your competition checking you out, well .......LOL!!! Best of luck on running multiple instances on one server, your customers will be pleased as punch with the performance. Oh thats right, you weren't part of the SADS beta, you don't have any idea of what I am saying. Get a grip dude! Don't worry be happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaG_Belial Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 You can run 2 GRAW Servers only on a system but in order for that server to run with no lag and to have both games servers maxed out at the same time you need the very highest of kit in including a Dual Chip. You also can’t run any other type of game servers on the same system as GRAW eats everything else's resources (Doesn’t mind sharing with another GRAW Server though) It’s not what you would call very sociable with other games. Bonehead is quite correct, if you are going to run multiple instances (more than 2) on the same server your gonna have issues. Unfortunatly because of the games requirements, the server requirements for the game are extensive, this means cost. It’s down to the old adage of peanuts and monkeys. Yes we do servers, but only one type Maxed out at 32 players, we don’t see much difference in selling a couple of 10 player servers on the same box, if its set up to run maxed out, it doesn’t make any sense to us. If you want to talk out our servers contact pitviper@tagaming.com and speak to bonehead as well, he seems to know what he is doing, but be warned we are not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa6 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Just got a reply from their sales folks. They are using multiple instances per cpu. Your going to have performance issues and lag issues. You can go for the cheap price and get aggro or pay a reasonable price and get a server that is designed for GRAW. Trust me, multiple instances per cpu is ugly LOL that sounds alot like virtualization. is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 (edited) Using vir, makes it even uglier! Like Belial said, one per cpu is the ONLY way to go with GRAW, any other way you are asking for trouble and an upset customer. Bottom line you simply cannot run graw on the same cpu with another instance of it. Are there GSP's doing that? Yep, look at some of the whored out pricing from GSP's that didn't participate in the SADS beta, and you WILL get what you pay for LOL Edited October 13, 2006 by Bonehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon-Rich Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Using vir, makes it even uglier! Like Belial said, one per cpu is the ONLY way to go with GRAW, any other way you are asking for trouble and an upset customer. Bottom line you simply cannot run graw on the same cpu with another instance of it. Are there GSP's doing that? Yep, look at some of the whored out pricing from GSP's that didn't participate in the SADS beta, and you WILL get what you pay for LOL I'd love to debate this with you but it really doesn't make a difference either way.. SADS beta means squat to put it bluntly. I've been involved with more then a dozen beta programs and even paid for the development of a few so trust me friend unless you were the head coder you saw about 1/10th of the programs capabilities.. Making a big deal about being invited to a "beta" test doesn't exactly qualify someone to be an expert on how to run a game server.. My qualifications on the other hand speak for themselves. I do this for a living and employ 7 full time game support techs so yes I do have an idea of how things work and have contributed to more games then I care to remember. I will also mention that everyone said Ghost Recon (Original) wouldn't run on a dual cpu machine.. Sorry.. We made it work.. Game like Soldat were said by the developers they could only run with a high spec vid card.. Wrong.. We had it running flawless with an 8mb Rage card.. GRAW runs equally impressive on our equipment so no need to call names or be jealous, Maybe one of the SADS guys can clue you into how the game can be tweaked because I'm quite sure you never had an opportunity to see the source code so any remark you make is pure speculation. As well I would agree that GR:AW eats up resources.. It's a good thing we run don't run the junk some of you guys run.. Bottom line? Your wrong friend. You want to see how Graw runs on a Quad Opteron? Go buy one and load it up. If you cannot do that then you need to not make comments on how our servers run. In closing I offer a suggestion to you, Relax on the chest beating with every other post you cannot help mention SADS beta testing like you somehow built the game or had a hand in anything.. You didn't code the game, You didn't write anything, You and a bunch of others merely played it and offered feedback to the guys that built it, This hardly gives you the expertise to remark about how the game runs on any given hardware platform. Learn who your dealing with next time before making un-informed comments. Good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutlink Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Rich, you don't happen to have anyone renting GRAW servers currently, do you? I'd like to give your servers a test run and see how well they work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I'd love to debate this with you but it really doesn't make a difference either way.. SADS beta means squat to put it bluntly. I've been involved with more then a dozen beta programs and even paid for the development of a few so trust me friend unless you were the head coder you saw about 1/10th of the programs capabilities.. Making a big deal about being invited to a "beta" test doesn't exactly qualify someone to be an expert on how to run a game server.. My qualifications on the other hand speak for themselves. I do this for a living and employ 7 full time game support techs so yes I do have an idea of how things work and have contributed to more games then I care to remember. I will also mention that everyone said Ghost Recon (Original) wouldn't run on a dual cpu machine.. Sorry.. We made it work.. Game like Soldat were said by the developers they could only run with a high spec vid card.. Wrong.. We had it running flawless with an 8mb Rage card.. GRAW runs equally impressive on our equipment so no need to call names or be jealous, Maybe one of the SADS guys can clue you into how the game can be tweaked because I'm quite sure you never had an opportunity to see the source code so any remark you make is pure speculation. As well I would agree that GR:AW eats up resources.. It's a good thing we run don't run the junk some of you guys run.. Bottom line? Your wrong friend. You want to see how Graw runs on a Quad Opteron? Go buy one and load it up. If you cannot do that then you need to not make comments on how our servers run. In closing I offer a suggestion to you, Relax on the chest beating with every other post you cannot help mention SADS beta testing like you somehow built the game or had a hand in anything.. You didn't code the game, You didn't write anything, You and a bunch of others merely played it and offered feedback to the guys that built it, This hardly gives you the expertise to remark about how the game runs on any given hardware platform. Learn who your dealing with next time before making un-informed comments. Good day. Speaking of uninformed! LOL Not going debate with you, you have no clue who I am or what we do. And just for your info we have vast experience in developing security products and security modules for e-commerce applications and high end financial servers. So we DO know coding. Gaming servers is more of a hobby not a business. Have a super day amigo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToW-Papa Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Chest beating? It looks pretty silly when one writes chest-beating posts and then admonishes someone else to relax with the chest beating - talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And to think my squad is actually considering doing business with Defcon. I contacted Defcon and requested the names of a couple of their GRAW servers so we could test them, Nut, and was told that they won't give out the names of customers' game servers. Defcon suggested that I post my request in their forums. I posted on the 10th of October.... just checked again and still not one reply from Defcon customers renting servers for GRAW. I'm beginning to wonder if Defcon simply does not yet have any GRAW servers up and running but doesn't want to admit that to prospective customers. So beat your chest all you want, Rich; but as the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding (or, in this case the servers). I think it's time to "put up (a Defcon server running GRAW for all to see) or shut up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaG_Belial Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Papa you can trial our Tagaming sever thats always in the lobby if you want Or Ask =XE= what our servers are like if you want. If your looking for prices contact pitviper@tagaming.com Hope that helps Regards B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FI_FlimFlam Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) Rich, Bonehead was in on the beta, but what he doesn't mention is that he converses with the GRIN devs regularly. He was in frequent contact during the beta regarding resources and worked with them to attempt to squeese out every bit he could to TRY to run multiple instances on a single core while still maintianing high performance. Several of us server admins also joined him for a meeting with GRIN on the server files. So he's not talking out his rear on this. Unless you know something that GRIN doesn't about optimization of the server files I don't think you are going to be having high performance of multiple instances of the game on the same processor. If you have managed it, please share because those of us who are not GSP's would really appreciate it. If you don't have some intresting trick then I bet you will be getting spotty performance in one server when the action heats up in the another on the same core/processor or when the maps change. But like I said please share with us your secrets so teams like mine could run multiple instances on our hardware (www.fatalityincorporated.com just to prove I'm not a GSP). Edited October 17, 2006 by FI_FlimFlam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Rich, Bonehead was in on the beta, but what he doesn't mention is that he converses with the GRIN devs regularly. He was in frequent contact during the beta regarding resources and worked with them to attempt to squeese out every bit he could to TRY to run multiple instances on a single core while still maintianing high performance. Several of us server admins also joined him for a meeting with GRIN on the server files. So he's not talking out his rear on this. Unless you know something that GRIN doesn't about optimization of the server files I don't think you are going to be having high performance of multiple instances of the game on the same processor. If you have managed it, please share because those of us who are not GSP's would really appreciate it. If you don't have some intresting trick then I bet you will be getting spotty performance in one server when the action heats up in the another on the same core/processor or when the maps change. But like I said please share with us your secrets so teams like mine could run multiple instances on our hardware (www.fatalityincorporated.com just to prove I'm not a GSP). I wonder who else what at the meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FI_FlimFlam Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Let's see there was Stickan, Wiking, ZJJ, Bonehead, Matrix, me,hmm I recall some other guy who weasled his way in..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTalon Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) Just got a reply from their sales folks. They are using multiple instances per cpu. Your going to have performance issues and lag issues. You can go for the cheap price and get aggro or pay a reasonable price and get a server that is designed for GRAW. Trust me, multiple instances per cpu is ugly LOL This is what started this battle !!! this post. A bogus request for pricing Followed by a negative post about the Guys company . To that point I can't remember a rep from Defcon ever posting anything here . They didn't start this battle bonehead you did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This started over one of there customers posting a positive reply to this thread about Defcons service......ROTFFLMAO Western buisness practises at there finest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited October 17, 2006 by MVTalon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Where did I say anything negative about Defcon? I don't care what he does or does not do. I would probably if this was my bread and butter business. But it is not. He can sell all the servers he wants. I do this for fun and making great friends not to pay the bills. And hello, most companies shop the competition, I have it done to me all the time. I don't mind at all. Well the "Western Business practises" you mention is business 101. Your country may do business differently, I respect that. But don't bash me for something that is common business practice here in the US. I mean, if you dont shop around, how do you know where you are? If I had the same pair of shoes for sale as you do at a cheaper price and I am moving product. Wouldn't you be in the least bit curious what my prices are? Anyways sorry you feel this is a "battle", its more of a tempest in a tea pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cangaroo.TNT Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Western buisness practises at there finest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah, Bonehead, you...uh...bonehead.... When are you going to follow the Karl Marx Successful Server Business Model? And shhhhhhhh ...corporate espionage is only practiced in the US...it wasn't perfected in Europe or anything.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdhmorri01 Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Ok every one i decided to rent a "gamesclan" server for 1 month trial Reasons 1 in Europe 2 site and support in English 3 only costing about £28 4 tried another of their servers and it seemed fine 5 they answered my questions Bonehead, your servers seem grand but lag and mostly cost put it beyond me at the moment, not your fault I know Rich, your responses in this thread were not in reply to the thread or questions posed by me to you in the thread, I registered on your site, asked for details of servers that you had running, the response I got directed me to your front page, why? I have no idea! Both of you, I could not care less who has 10 or 100 years experience, who tested what, sponsored what or fiddled what. Wishing you all happy hunting and remember, the customer is king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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