roughneck Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 hi guys, im posting to let u know that a member of a site called fpsbanana is taking the models from graw and porting them into css, and publicly releasing it. this is illegal. ur not supposed too have any graw content unless u own the game. whats to stop others without the game to dl? i have even brought it to the attention of site admins, and they dont do anything about it. if could bring this to the attention of one of the grin guys that hang around this site, im sure they dont want their work being passed out for free. basically the site admins wont even bother taking it down, so i hope they will if one of the guys from grin tells them to. thanx. heres the link to the public release http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/16725 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_Eye Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Ok, im preds eyes there isnt a problem... But the reason he was asking about models ect here was so that he could extract the models from GRAW and port them to CSS... Without the correct permissions this could get him in a hellofa lot of trouble. He has been doing this between game porting for awhile now. And this one has kicked up a major ruckes. Read The Comments, Right Hand Side What are your thoughts on what pred is doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wow, they did a good job, looks pretty accurate. Personally I'm not sure how Ubisoft will react to it, they will see it now for sure, but I'm not sure what stance they would take... If these models are ripped straight out of the game I guess the Legal team at Ubi might very well be interested... Thanks for the info anyway! Merging with existing topic..... Edit > Here's the thread where Pred asked for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughneck Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wow, they did a good job, looks pretty accurate. Personally I'm not sure how Ubisoft will react to it, they will see it now for sure, but I'm not sure what stance they would take... If these models are ripped straight out of the game I guess the Legal team at Ubi might very well be interested... Thanks for the info anyway! Merging with existing topic..... Edit > Here's the thread where Pred asked for help. yeah i just want it brought to grins attention is all, because the admins of the site just ignore us when we try to explain its illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToW-Angel Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 While I agree with you on what this person is doing... However, you can rest assured that they are very aware of this and handling it. There is no need to bash the site admins, staff and moderators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughneck Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) While I agree with you on what this person is doing... However, you can rest assured that they are very aware of this and handling it. There is no need to bash the site admins, staff and moderators. oh im not bashing anyone, its counter-productive anyway Edited October 5, 2006 by roughneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halvorsen Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) yeah, im involved in the fpsb thread too. I told them it was illegal and he said that I should keep on crying because nobody can hear you. this dude has released various ported models for alot of games, and before he used to do it without credits. the naive people at this site acually think he made it and praises him. response: if they are illegal....why dont the admins take them down???....talk them that subject has been brought up before and they still allows it. heres links to all ported models: http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/16725 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/15905 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/15903 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/15900 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/15896 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/13601 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/13485 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/13268 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12959 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12285 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12284 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12283 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12282 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12281 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12271 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12150 http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/12149 so yeah Edited October 5, 2006 by multicam_ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehead Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Might I suggest an email to the abuse department at his hosting provider after checking out their TOS/AUP. I know we have a very strict Terms of Use like most reputable ISP's, I am sure his provider has one too! OrgName: FDC Servers.net, LLC OrgID: FDCSE Address: 141 West Jackson Blvd, Suite 1135 City: Chicago StateProv: IL PostalCode: 60604 Country: US OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE438-ARIN OrgAbuseName: ABUSE department OrgAbusePhone: +1-312-913-9304 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@fdcservers.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Quickly empties GR1 Character folder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicide Commando Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) I may be wrong but they look more like the customizable models in the 360 version of GRAW and R6 Lockdown. Edited October 5, 2006 by Suicide Commando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughneck Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 I may be wrong but they look more like the customizable models in the 360 version of GRAW. even if so, its still illegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicide Commando Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) Did I ever say differently? Also, at the very least, the person that released them seems to be crediting Ubisoft. Still illegal but he/she is not claiming the content as original. Edited October 5, 2006 by Suicide Commando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halvorsen Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 yeah, but on other releases he only credit himself, (not ghost recon prob) but still, also porting the weapons has just come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-|-aMMo-|- Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why do any of you crybabies care weither he is porting the models or not? O no hes porting models, thats illegal, lets whine about it. Let um be, only ones that should have any interrest in stopping it is Ubi or GRiN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannik Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 The reason, Ammo, is that this site supports the creative work of modders, and has a long history of trying to help those modders who's original IP was taken without permission. I guess if someone broke the law in a way that harmed you, you wouldn't mind? Believe it or not, it's sometimes of interest to not just the harmed parties, or more accurately, the clearly harmed parties are not always the only victims. Edit: Let um be, only ones that should have any interrest in stopping it is Ubi or GRiN. In case you skipped actually reading this thread, it was created in an attempt to notify Ubi or GRiN of a potential IP violation. Your entire point is the same reason this thread was created. So what's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-|-aMMo-|- Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I thought he ported the character models out of GRAW to make a mod in CSS ..... What modders did he hurt? or how does it really hurt anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannik Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Ask an employee of GRin or RSE the same question. They have had their legal rights in most of the planet's copyright laws violated. This is a tort crime in said places, for a reason. If you wrote a book, with the intention of selling it, and someone else took your book, replaced your name with theirs, and gave it away for free, would your sales not suffer? I know it's a hugely debated argument, and for a reason, but legally speaking, a civil tort situation exists. You would be potentially losing income. It's not theft; I'm big on that part, no matter what the copyright industry may imply, but it's still illegal, and for a reason. One who infringes copyright does potentially deprive the author (content creator, insert appropriate term) of real income. If this doesn't bother you, fine. Doesn't change the law, and the concern others have about IP violations. In other words, if you don't see the problem here, fine. A "crime" (bracketed to demonstrate that it's rarely a criminal law situation, but still illegal) was committed. Don't agree? So be it. The fact remains that it's illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-|-aMMo-|- Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Its not a whole book, (game). and no it doesnt hurt their sales at all. You think people are going to buy GRAW just for the models? or buy CSS instead just to use those GRAW models? They should be happy someones actually using their models and not going to waste like GRAW is. But the guy that posted it here is a crybaby narc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannik Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 So I was correct in my pointing out that you just don't get the point. What other ways do you support illegal activities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR_32 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Its not a whole book, (game). and no it doesnt hurt their sales at all. You think people are going to buy GRAW just for the models? or buy CSS instead just to use those GRAW models? They should be happy someones actually using their models and not going to waste like GRAW is. But the guy that posted it here is a crybaby narc. Taking anothers work and distributing it for free, be it the work of a professional (developers) or amateurs(modders), is stealing. You may think a stolen model here or there is nothing; tell that to the guy who spent 2 months working on it. Stop trying to spin it, your only making yourself look bad. If you just want to turn this into a stupid back and forth argument, don't bother. Dannik has already explained quite well, much better than I could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-|-aMMo-|- Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I wouldnt care if anyone was using my work to have fun and get enjoyment out of it. Especially once I already got paid for the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JASGripen Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I wouldnt care if anyone was using my work to have fun and get enjoyment out of it. Especially once I already got paid for the work. *Personal note: I will not employ Ammo.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wille Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I may be wrong but they look more like the customizable models in the 360 version of GRAW and R6 Lockdown. you are indeed wrong, its our model it isnt ripped per say tho since we actually released the 3dsmax models in the lastest patch.however Its still illegal. On the other hand it could be considered free advertisment. I stand neutral in this question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannik Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Voice of reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fripounet Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I would like the same for GRAW: Nature maps, skins and weather from [GR] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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