th33f. Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 heh, throwing a public patch test at people 3 months after the release is a ballsy move, if you ask me. could bring some doubt into the minds of those still hesitating to pay up. not a lot of titles have done that in the past. that's not to say this was a bad move, of course. as for speculation, there is not a chance the game will be "complete" within a few weeks. if we're to get console commands/server tools and new content, there'll be entirely new bugs and shortcomings. i'm sure the dev team will stick with us for a while longer. i smell an expansion by 12.25.06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
}PW{ Postal Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 (edited) Personly i feel its something that every game company should do from the start only because a few beta testers arent gonna find all the bugs. It needs to be tested by the masses on all sorts of different types of computer setup's But this is just my own personal opinion on the matter.. Edited August 18, 2006 by }PW{ Postal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I agree with the sig o' the year candidate above... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
}PW{ Postal Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I agree with the sig o' the year candidate above... LOL...im glad ya like it...lol I made it for everyone to enjoy... Now back on topic...To me it just makes sense....more testers means more possible problems found. I know theres reasons they dont usualy do it but for the sake of me i cant remember why....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 (edited) Personly i feel its something that every game company should do from the start only because a few beta testers arent gonna find all the bugs. It needs to be tested by the masses on all sorts of different types of computer setup's But this is just my own personal opinion on the matter.. I agree some on this... but... imagine the overwhelming posts. I've seen the forums and with only a select few there can be over 40. I can only imagine this round. The other thing is with this beta... all exploits need to be reported and not spread meaning we shouldn't post them in the forum or everyone will be sliding around on one knee shooting each other (Some of you will get what i mean by that) Also threads will get offtopic. When there is a few selected ... the conversation seems to stay on track... with the masses... ARRGGH! Like th33f says... this takes balls Edited August 18, 2006 by ROCOAFZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeUcEsWiLd Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Signed up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_Recluse Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Personly i feel its something that every game company should do from the start only because a few beta testers arent gonna find all the bugs. It needs to be tested by the masses on all sorts of different types of computer setup's But this is just my own personal opinion on the matter.. I agree some on this... but... imagine the overwhelming posts. I've seen the forums and with only a select few there can be over 40. I can only imagine this round. The other thing is with this beta... all exploits need to be reported and not spread meaning we shouldn't post them in the forum or everyone will be sliding around on one knee shooting each other (Some of you will get what i mean by that) Also threads will get offtopic. When there is a few selected ... the conversation seems to stay on track... with the masses... ARRGGH! Like th33f says... this takes balls Are people doing it Roco? I have not seen it done yet, but if people are doing it, it makes you wonder, and makes me feel bad for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
}PW{ Postal Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 You are right but for the sake of argument lets say only 50 people beta test a game. Now being that people live in different time zones and have to work and sleep. Your probably not gonna see all of them on at the same time. Now..you need a few people in there that know how to work the map editor so they can make a quick test map to make sure the editor is good. Plus you need atleast 1 to have a Physx card to make sure there are no problems with that. They need to be able to try every map and every game type a few times over to try to find bugs. Considering how many different modes there are plus the co-op this would be quite a task to do for only 50 people in one week. Now with these 50 people testing...the forum posts about bugs and such would be very neat and proper but you couldnt possibly expect them to find all the problems. Now for them to have the masses test, the only things they would really need would be a good place for them to post and a moderator to watch over it. Do they have this? I dont know...i can only hope...lol Im not arguing the facts you bring up Roco. They are very good points but to me its more important that the patches get fully tested. Well as long as the game company puts some guidlines on where to post and how to post it....lol But i do understand yours and Th33f's point. Oh...i used the number 50 for a reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulater Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 We are mass testing the patches. that's why there's more patches :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
}PW{ Postal Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 We are mass testing the patches. that's why there's more patches :D Ok..not mass patch testing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent_op Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I signed up! If I don't make the cut, I hope a lot of the sound [GR] CO-OP fans (who now play GR:AW as well) make it in. We really need to some how make sure that the essence of Ghost Recon CO-OP is not lost again (4 player CO-OP ). silent_op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 a little bit of speculation makes the world go round and round... also, you may want to notice that the last patch was _also_ called a "map pack", go figure! You want me to think that the liocaine is in the cup closest to you...there fore it must be in the cup closest to me...but thats what you want me to think...so it must be in the cup closest to you..witch only proves that it is in the cup closest to me....................... Slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyCo Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hope I make the cut! I have been sending resumes all day for jobs and this was nothing compared to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoQuarter Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 You want me to think that the liocaine is in the cup closest to you...there fore it must be in the cup closest to me...but thats what you want me to think...so it must be in the cup closest to you..witch only proves that it is in the cup closest to me....................... Slow Ludicrous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wille Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 You want me to think that the liocaine is in the cup closest to you...there fore it must be in the cup closest to me...but thats what you want me to think...so it must be in the cup closest to you..witch only proves that it is in the cup closest to me....................... Slow Ludicrous! RIP andre the giant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedSmith Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 You want me to think that the liocaine is in the cup closest to you...there fore it must be in the cup closest to me...but thats what you want me to think...so it must be in the cup closest to you..witch only proves that it is in the cup closest to me....................... Slow Ludicrous! INCONCIEVABLE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon_AS Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 When I first saw this I was "OOOOH, Excited" and signed up. But then I re-read it this afternoon and the "spin" kinda ticked me off. They make it sound like they've "given" us something for free with these patches out of the goodness of their heart when they've only fixed bugs and added game modes that should have been there from the beginning. I'm glad to hear the next patch "WILL CONTAIN" an [GR] Coop mode and Admin Tools, BUT. Are the people at UBI so far distanced from reality to believe the game that was released was complete and they've done us a favor with the first 2 patches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maineac Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 This is still a good opportunity to run the game through the mill. There are quite a number of you out there who know the in's and out's of the editing process, problems and solutions. Some of the problems may not be uncovered for some time if they are not carefully looked for. I for one hope that we can get this game so close to what we want that it will survive for a long time. My only apprehension is that when the last BETA servers were up, I seldom saw more than 4 people in them. I wonder if it's possible to do team level testing, because most are all on comms and have their own forums to compile issues so that different players with different systems would be able to try to duplicate issues, compile a single list of issues in their own forums, edit those issues if the problem has already been submitted, and submit only issues not yet identified. Seems that may eliminate a lot of the duplication. I also understand the other door that opens there, but I believe in people. The better we make this game, the more players will come and stay. Solidarity *=ATU=*Maineac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOX Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 To beta, or not to beta: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer a game The round corner shots and hackers of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die LMS: to Dsiconnect and sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we play GRAW no more The heart-ache and the thousand software fixes That flesh is heir to, 'another game Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams of a better GRAW come When we have shuffled off this penchant of GRAW, Must give us pause: there's the respect That makes calamity of so long without [GR]; For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, UBI' wrong, the honest player's contumely, The pangs of despised love of [GR], the patches delay, The insolence of forums and the spurns That patient merit of the poster takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare nade? who would perfect FPS bear, To run and shoot under a weary game, But that the dread of something after [GR], The undiscover'd GRAW upgrade from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those bugs we have Than fly to other games that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great beta test With this regard their honest thoughts of perfect FPS turn awry, And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now! The fair GRIN! Nymph, in thy fixes and patches Be all my [GR] matches remember'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulater Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) To beta, or not to beta: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer a game The round corner shots and hackers of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die LMS: to Dsiconnect and sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we play GRAW no more The heart-ache and the thousand software fixes That flesh is heir to, 'another game Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams of a better GRAW come When we have shuffled off this penchant of GRAW, Must give us pause: there's the respect That makes calamity of so long without [GR]; For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, UBI' wrong, the honest player's contumely, The pangs of despised love of [GR], the patches delay, The insolence of forums and the spurns That patient merit of the poster takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare nade? who would perfect FPS bear, To run and shoot under a weary game, But that the dread of something after [GR], The undiscover'd GRAW upgrade from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those bugs we have Than fly to other games that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great beta test With this regard their honest thoughts of perfect FPS turn awry, And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now! The fair GRIN! Nymph, in thy fixes and patches Be all my [GR] matches remember'd. You sir have too much free time. I applaud your efforts, please pass go and collect $200. May your children be blessed with the fleas of a thousand camels and your wife look as good as one too. I, however, am going to bed as I have had too much to drink. Edited August 19, 2006 by zulater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Personly i feel its something that every game company should do from the start only because a few beta testers arent gonna find all the bugs. It needs to be tested by the masses on all sorts of different types of computer setup's But this is just my own personal opinion on the matter.. I agree some on this... but... imagine the overwhelming posts. I've seen the forums and with only a select few there can be over 40. I can only imagine this round. The other thing is with this beta... all exploits need to be reported and not spread meaning we shouldn't post them in the forum or everyone will be sliding around on one knee shooting each other (Some of you will get what i mean by that) Also threads will get offtopic. When there is a few selected ... the conversation seems to stay on track... with the masses... ARRGGH! Like th33f says... this takes balls Are people doing it Roco? I have not seen it done yet, but if people are doing it, it makes you wonder, and makes me feel bad for posting it. No, know one has yet that i have seen... what i am saying is with all this crowd in beta... things like that bug will get around if mentioned in the beta I am wondering... they must be going to be selective or have a cutoff... or why would they call it beta and not just release it and patch afterward? What i am saying is if everyone will test it, then it's not beta. It's a released patch. Edited August 19, 2006 by ROCOAFZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutlink Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Kinda like BF2s "beta" 1.4 patch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sui317 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 i think they done wise with the request of beta testers, because now we can test it or know who have been testing it i remember talk here that whined about testers of another patch or pack they also have a chance to see who signs up and match it with forum posts and or game behaviour this is partially covering their backs and giving us a way in, sneak preview and the feeling we get involved, they know they (ubi) F@#k3D up with graw and the map packs and this might give them the info to get back on track with the pc (o)GR gamer (the graw remarks are publishing wise not aimed at grin) they'd be smart to pick some known guys from the community like AS sheldon, rocoafz, and other clan leaders / server admins or experianced modders, you could say that might be sucking up but it would lead to the best resault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRP 56 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Are the people at UBI so far distanced from reality to believe the game that was released was complete and they've done us a favor with the first 2 patches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maineac Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Personly i feel its something that every game company should do from the start only because a few beta testers arent gonna find all the bugs. It needs to be tested by the masses on all sorts of different types of computer setup's But this is just my own personal opinion on the matter.. I agree some on this... but... imagine the overwhelming posts. I've seen the forums and with only a select few there can be over 40. I can only imagine this round. The other thing is with this beta... all exploits need to be reported and not spread meaning we shouldn't post them in the forum or everyone will be sliding around on one knee shooting each other (Some of you will get what i mean by that) Also threads will get offtopic. When there is a few selected ... the conversation seems to stay on track... with the masses... ARRGGH! Like th33f says... this takes balls Are people doing it Roco? I have not seen it done yet, but if people are doing it, it makes you wonder, and makes me feel bad for posting it. No, know one has yet that i have seen... what i am saying is with all this crowd in beta... things like that bug will get around if mentioned in the beta I am wondering... they must be going to be selective or have a cutoff... or why would they call it beta and not just release it and patch afterward? What i am saying is if everyone will test it, then it's not beta. It's a released patch. I don't think that there is any way that we can avoid the prospect of some taking advantage of exploits, or not spreading them. This will happen. As i stated earlier, the only way I can see to proceed at this point is to select people who really care about the game (I would think it would be the type of people who are in here reading this) and allow them to really comb the game and report their findings in a private forum (GRIN) and hope for the best. GRIN would be responsible for monitoring the posts, editing and removing that which did not apply. I agree that this process of beta testing is quite unusual, and it raises some questions in my mind also, but regardless, I have waited for a long time for this game, have no interest in other games, and want to see GRAW effectively take the position of #1 FPS. This requires us to be honest, report all exploits, get them removed and get the bugs fixed. The rest will be at the mercy of the integrity of the testers they select. I am also an admin and founder of a team and have tried to hold our team togeather for this for nearly two years. We look forward to, as the rest of you do...Match play. Lets fix this game up and get it going. Solidarity...... *=ATU=*Maineac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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