CkZWarlord Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 http://graw.pro-gamingleagues.com/modules....icle&sid=11 Never worked with it, but it might be worth contacting these guys for some pointers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToW-Angel Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Definitely looks interesting, that's for sure! Could be a great addon to the current A/C also! With the A/C in-game, and this as an addon... HEHE Goodbye Cheaters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane snyper Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hmmmm that gave me an interesting idea If GRIN doesnt come through, or for whatever reason we have to create some sort of AC program, what if we were to have our own registration system for any server (or maybe just an option) that is running our AC. The user has to open up our program, and log in, which connects to 'our server' (wherever we are hosting all this crap). Then when they connect to a GRAW server our program (the server side one) observes the connection, and takes the IP and forwards it to 'our server' which checks to see if someone is logged in from that IP. If not, the GRAW server gives them the boot (or our program could just cut their connection if we cant do that cleanly). We could even find a way to generate unique account ID's based on hardware serials numbers. Then whenever someone gets caught cheating the server will automatically call the whitehouse. The national security advisor will contact secretary of treasury, who will alert the secret service. From there the IP will be passed along to CTU. There Chloe O'Brian will use the IP address to 'localize the objective'. Jack Bauer will then lead a team in black helicopters crash their little pary. Ok, so shoot me, I thought it was a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bota:16 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 (edited) I am all for having an AC but reading the installation directions makes this program look like a pain in the ass. I think it said you have to be registered with PGL to even use it. But definately something to keep at least on the back burner. Well I singed up for that website and downloaded the AC. Like I said before it seems like a pain in the ass. But then again it might be worth it if it helps keep the hackers at bay. Anybody in the match would be able to download the screenshots, which is pretty cool. It is not an active AC by any means, similar to replays but only screenshots. Only cheat that I can see this catching are wallhacks. Can't really tell if someone is using an aimbot, ammo hack or speed hack from screenshots. Edited July 19, 2006 by Athenian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMET_Balamir Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I think it said you have to be registered with PGL to even use it. But definately something to keep at least on the back burner. Actually, as I saw, that AC works only with PGL matches (you have to put in the Match ID to let it work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I am all for having an AC but reading the installation directions makes this program look like a pain in the ass. I think it said you have to be registered with PGL to even use it. But definately something to keep at least on the back burner. Well I singed up for that website and downloaded the AC. Like I said before it seems like a pain in the ass. But then again it might be worth it if it helps keep the hackers at bay. Anybody in the match would be able to download the screenshots, which is pretty cool. It is not an active AC by any means, similar to replays but only screenshots. Only cheat that I can see this catching are wallhacks. Can't really tell if someone is using an aimbot, ammo hack or speed hack from screenshots. It is susposed to block "all known" speed hacks and such. Sure you don't get a pic of it... but the person can't run them anyway. It's new one's you will have to watch for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CkZWarlord Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 I think it said you have to be registered with PGL to even use it. But definately something to keep at least on the back burner. Actually, as I saw, that AC works only with PGL matches (you have to put in the Match ID to let it work). True, but it could be worth contacting these guys for tips on how to develop an anti-cheat for GR:AW... no point in re-inventing the wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bota:16 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 It is susposed to block "all known" speed hacks and such. Sure you don't get a pic of it... but the person can't run them anyway. It's new one's you will have to watch for. Didn't see that anywhere. I just saw it took screenshots from everybody connected to that particular matchid and uploaded them to the server to be downloaded later if need be. It seems as complicated as this programs is the only people that will be able to figure it out are the hackers themselves.JK. It's not that complicated but I think a majority of people won't be able to get it to work correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane snyper Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Whoa, whoa! Thinking ahead is one thing, but some of you guys are sounding like your about to start writing an AC. If GRIN doesnt come through with something workable we will still rely on them or some very 'dirty' programming to ban people and whatnot. And while it may well be possible for us to write our own AC, we are talking about tons of work, and a good bit of infrastructure. I think its too early to start thinking seriously about writing our own AC, we still dont know what GRIN has in the works, but for those of you who hang in the mod forums (I think most of you), you guys know that GRIN is not the bunch of incompetents the PC forum people make them out to be. We're talking about what we are going to do if a bunch of professional programmers dont come through Just remember to preceed your posts with "If GRIN doesnt come through, we could..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacTiXs Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 The goal of Pro-GamingLeagues is to give the gamers a place where they will find competition, fun and recognition but above all, the assurance that they finally play in an environment where cheaters will NOT ruin the game and competition for them. To make this possible, we created the essential Match Sneaker anti-cheat tool and an effective ban system who are both integrated and directly interact with the PGL site and competition scripts. Globally, the PGL Match Sneaker used during official matches takes screenshots from the user's screen at random time intervals and also detects the use of cheats that we instructed the AC to look for on the user's pc. All the data is send to our AC server and the screenshots are available for whoever wants to download them. If the Match Sneaker has detected a cheat running during a match, it will automatically lock the account from the member in question on the site and alert the PGL administration, notifying them that 'this member' used 'this cheat' during 'that match'. Each new cheat that we instruct the PGL Match Sneaker also means a check on match data recorded prior to the date of instruction of the AC and any member caught with that last cheat can say bye bye! Since we ban our members based on a guid composed of hardware id's from the user's pc and that is created upon registration and after using the PGL Match Sneaker for the first time, it is unlikely that this same person will return with a new account and a different name with that same pc. Unless the banned member has other pc's capable of running games, his game on PGL is finished. We are in a constant effort to improve this effective anti-cheat solution to maintain a fair playground for all true gamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a106glimmer Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 I wont post where its posted but this program is way to easy to get around. Its not hard to decompile the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGL-Drakan Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 (edited) I wont post where its posted but this program is way to easy to get around. Its not hard to decompile the program. Ok, enough is enough sometimes. It's not the first time you make unconstructive posts against us. First of all, let me have a doubt on the fact that you decompiled it. If it's really the case, just send me the source code as a proof. My email is : drakan@pro-gamingleagues.com. Please note i said the whole code and not part of it (as we all know it's easier to get some part of a program than the whole thing). If you've really done it, then i'll make a post here to say you effectively did it (we' know some really good hacker will probably break it a day.). Second point, we have never said AC was perfect and we have always said we'll always be looking for good ideas to improve it. I don't really understand your goal. If you're a so good coder and if you've decompiled it, then you may be able to tell us what to do to make it better. Please refer to the same mail address. The only thing that annoys me and make me create an account here just for this thread (just like you did) is that in each and every of your post, you try to make people believe that our AC is useless. I can't let you say this and even if it's not perfect (is it possible to get a perfect AC ? ), even if we know that some really good hackers may end up breaking it (as every software), most players who tested it were pretty happy of it. Once again, if you REALLY found so many flaws in our software, i invite you to let me know them and/or how to make it better but your goal is maybe elsewhere. I'll always listen and answer people that will mail me about the AC wether with argumented and constructive criticism or with ideas to improve it. Drakan. PGL Developper. Edited August 6, 2006 by PGL-Drakan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a106glimmer Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 the first flaw is the lack of a eula like pb or valve has for vac . And did I say I decompiled it no I did not. I would like to see a eula before my team joins the ladder. In other words spell out what it does like the pb eula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToW-Angel Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 This is NOT the place to discuss these matters... This is about establishing a place, getting all the right people involved, getting the community involved and what things will be implemented. It is to bring the community together, NOT DRIVE A WEDGE IN BETWEEN TWO GROUPS OR TWO PEOPLE. It's about all of us coming together and finding a solution that will be the most effective solution we can all come up with. The two above posters are having a petty squabble. This is honestly ridiculous, and has nothing to do with the A/C, the community, GRiN or anything/anyone else. This forum area is about bringing all of us together so that we can workout solutions for the A/C, Website and community. GRiN is aware of how much we have to have the A/C to keep the cheaters out, and bringing in 3rd party support just adds to what they will be doing, regardless of where it comes from and who compiled/decompiled this or that or who hacked this-n-that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a106glimmer Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 actually angel what is pgl doing posting about it when it gets down to it. Because its for there matches only. And last time I checked this is a discussion board I was discussing there match sneaker program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I wont post where its posted but this program is way to easy to get around. Its not hard to decompile the program. Note you did say decompile it. There is always a way around any anticheat. Send PGL the way around it and they'll fix it. Also send them the link to where it was posted so they can prepare for anything else. As for PGL, were not playing there due to it being European and the higher ping times. It takes a long time even for the website to come up. I think though it's great what there doing as long as it does not interfere with public play (outside there ladder). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGL-Drakan Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I wont post where its posted but this program is way to easy to get around. Its not hard to decompile the program. Note you did say decompile it. There is always a way around any anticheat. Send PGL the way around it and they'll fix it. Also send them the link to where it was posted so they can prepare for anything else. As for PGL, were not playing there due to it being European and the higher ping times. It takes a long time even for the website to come up. I think though it's great what there doing as long as it does not interfere with public play (outside there ladder). I totally agree with you RocoAFZ and that's why we're usually posting here only to let people know about our tournament but you can understand that this is the kind of answer we can't let without answer, at least to know if it's true or not. I have a question about your ping issue. Did you try to load the site recently ? It came out that our former host was really laggy (he was US btw) and we changed. Another point is that we're not using specific servers so you can play on your dedi server if you want to. I'm really surprise that you noticed lag issue (if you tried it recently). Could you please make another try (at least of website loading which shouldn't take you the whole day ) and let me know if you're still have the lag you were speaking about. We have many US team registered and they didn't tell us about lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCO*AFZ* Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I wont post where its posted but this program is way to easy to get around. Its not hard to decompile the program. Note you did say decompile it. There is always a way around any anticheat. Send PGL the way around it and they'll fix it. Also send them the link to where it was posted so they can prepare for anything else. As for PGL, were not playing there due to it being European and the higher ping times. It takes a long time even for the website to come up. I think though it's great what there doing as long as it does not interfere with public play (outside there ladder). I totally agree with you RocoAFZ and that's why we're usually posting here only to let people know about our tournament but you can understand that this is the kind of answer we can't let without answer, at least to know if it's true or not. I have a question about your ping issue. Did you try to load the site recently ? It came out that our former host was really laggy (he was US btw) and we changed. Another point is that we're not using specific servers so you can play on your dedi server if you want to. I'm really surprise that you noticed lag issue (if you tried it recently). Could you please make another try (at least of website loading which shouldn't take you the whole day ) and let me know if you're still have the lag you were speaking about. We have many US team registered and they didn't tell us about lag. I haven't been lately, just around the tournament time. I'll check when i'm not at work tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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