Hello, new here.. GRAW questions (patch 1.16)

[JasonFMX 0]

Hey folks,

Just joined up, I've been trying to do some crash reading on the topics here in the PC department.

I would just like to start off saying; Hello, My name is Jason..... and I'm a Ghost Recon-a-holic.

(crowd) Hiiiiiiii Jaaaasssson

Now, don't get me wrong.. I can't get enough of this game, I play it everyday, but it has alot of problems. I dont just mean personal preference stuff like "why is there no quick save" , but things like crashes. I'm no game developer but I'm pretty sure its not suppose to do that.

I've also been reading the "who is to blame" stuff going on here. From what I'm reading (take in mind I'm getting this all at once so I have a different perspective) but it seems that no one is at fault here at all. Like this is some natural disaster... like the hurricane in Lousiana. "The GRAW Crash of '06" "hundreds of thousands devistated,... game futures ruined.. what will the future hold..." Ok enough with the drama

But seriously.... lets make things real simple. Lets just say that no one is to blame which is impossible.. but patches are suppose to fix things right ? Keeping that in mind, shouldn't no preference things come first ? For instance, instead of adding a weapons patch, or a save patch,... shouldn't the bugs be fixed first ? Like why is this the third patch released and my PC crashes more than ever ? No other games make it crash, I'm afraid its going to mess up Windows or something. The game freezes and my PC feezes and I have to do a forced restart. (many others have this same problem) . Also, why is it alot of people start off with the secondary weapon out of the chopper ? Is this on purpose ? or is this by accident ? if so... how does this slip past someone ? or does it and no one cares ? are there real people making this game ? I mean, this is a pretty obvious thing. I play Coop CONSTANTLY and everyone says that everytime we get out "why am I starting with my pistol now" or the fact it usually takes me 20 minutes to start a session with the team crashing, disconnects etc.

What I'm trying to get at here folks is I would like someone to say whos at fault here. I'm guessing UBI is or at least is mostly at fault. Because I would like all of us to direct our frustrations at the appropriate people instead of everyone fighting here, or blame people whos hands are tied like GRIN. If Grin cant do anything then why is everyone blaming them ? That is pointless and a waste of time. We need to establish who is at fault here and properly confront them.

On a good note.

I like the new grenade sites, MUCH better.

[jay316 0]

If you want to blame someone here is my understanding

UBI

make the call on the direction the GR series is headed ie type of game

set/aprove the timeline for releases

advertise

moneybank

GRIN

build the game ubi wants

produce the engine the game runs on

produce the level character models sounds and other artwork

fix problems with the game if/when ubi provides funds

[Cuchillo* 0]

HI JasonFMX beforehand let me give you the WELCOME to Ghost Recon community forums "game" .

and welcome to our Knigtmare LOL . been one in the game industry o been a gameplayer.

Well JasonFMX only thing I can add , (because I think you already read most of the post as u said).... is ....that's the Game industry for ya , companies that dont have the manpower or the resources to do this or that or BIG signs that just care about $ell$ , blah blah blah . anyhow all this is part of the "SHOW" but just remember one thing , if a DEMO gives you a bad impression or bad performance in "graphics , gameplay etc.. just dont buy the product and wait to this to be "possibly fix" remember that the demo is not the total finish product ,(as you prob.know) but place the parameters of the gameply , graphics that you're gonna expect in gameply , Im not talkin about video clips ok. that a totally dif. graphical sit....so there you go , the rest is History or will make it . anyhow... have fun and try to enjoy as much you can the product you bought , new companies (small) need to grow in all aspects and what better experinece is , that to work wiht a BIG sign , there you go .

WELCOME

p.s. pls.forgive my grammar and speeling but english is not my first lenguaje thnks.

Cheers

Edited June 27, 2006 by Cuchillo*

[JasonFMX 0]

HI JasonFMX beforehand let me give you the WELCOME to Ghost Recon community forums "game" .

and welcome to our Knigtmare LOL . been one in the game industry o been a gameplayer.

Well JasonFMX only thing I can add , (because I think you already read most of the post as u said).... is ....that's the Game industry for ya , companies that dont have the manpower or the resources to do this or that or BIG signs that just care about $ell$ , blah blah blah . anyhow all this is part of the "SHOW" but just remember one thing , if a DEMO gives you a bad impression or bad performance in "graphics , gameplay etc.. just dont buy the product and wait to this to be "possibly fix" remember that the demo is not the total finish product ,(as you prob.know) but place the parameters of the gameply , graphics that you're gonna expect in gameply , Im not talkin about video clips ok. that a totally dif. graphical sit....so there you go , the rest is History or will make it . anyhow... have fun and try to enjoy as much you can the product you bought , new companies (small) need to grow in all aspects and what better experinece is , that to work wiht a BIG sign , there you go .

WELCOME

p.s. pls.forgive my grammar and speeling but english is not my first lenguaje thnks.

Cheers

Thanks guys.

Actually, the more that I think about it I would have to say that UBI has to accept 100% of the blame. Heres why, when a person is in position over another, the higher person must accept responsbility for his/her/their subordinates. If your of middle managment and your given an assignment and your team doesnt complete the task, guess who gets called into the big boss's office to get yelled at ? ... i'll give ya a hint. Its not the team.

Same goes for this, if UBI didn't give Grin enough resources, time or money. THen thats UBI's fault. If grin says, hey this patch makes more crashes in COOP, we need more time and UBI doesnt allow it... thats UBI's fault.

Just think of it this way, (total hypotheical of course) Did anyone catch the Grin logo in..... i think its Fierce resistant, in the zocalo plaze map... its on the one wall. Anyway, what if that logo was a pornographic picture, and UBI approved this for kids and someones parent saw that and decided to make a lawsuit over it. Who has to accept responsibilty for it ? UbI does becuase they published it... before it goes to the market everything has to inspected and approved. Having your own company do something and subbing the work out pretty much doesnt matter if the end product is published by the original company. If you hired my business to do work whats the difference if I did it or if I had someone else do it ? There is none. I am providing the service for you and your dealing through me. Just like we have UBI produce the games we like. We "hire" UBI in a sense to make our games.

I think our efforts should be directed to UBI

Edited June 27, 2006 by JasonFMX