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From CBC News.

The U.S. military has charged two members of the Pennsylvania National Guard in the death last February of an unarmed Iraqi civilian near Ramadi.

Specialist Nathan Lynn was charged with one count of voluntary manslaughter for allegedly shooting an unarmed man Feb. 15, the military said.

Lynn and fellow soldier Sgt. Milton Ortiz Jr. were both charged with one count of obstructing justice after they allegedly conspired to put an AK-47 assault rifle near the dead man's body to make it look like he was an armed insurgent.

Ortiz also was charged with one count of assault and one count of threatening in a separate incident on March 8, when he allegedly placed a gun against the head of an Iraqi man and threatened to send him to prison.

The charges come at a time when the U.S. military has been criticized around the world for what are seen by some as war crimes.

The Ramadi incident was just one of several alleged incidents that have come to light in recent weeks.

In one recent case, two Western news agencies claim to have evidence that U.S. troops shot dead 11 family members, including five children.

In Haditha in November, marines allegedly shot and killed 24 civilians in revenge for the killing of a fellow marine.

And, in Hamandiya, seven marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the April shooting of an Iraqi man.

Reuters listed several other alleged crimes in recent months.

* May 9 - Three detainees were shot dead during a U.S. raid on a suspected insurgent camp north of Baghdad. Four soldiers were later charged with premeditated murder.

* May 4 - U.S. troops killed two men and a woman whom they claim fired from a house in Samarra. Police find two unarmed women and a mentally handicapped man.

* April 26 - A disabled man is shot in the face in the village of Hamdania. Seven marines and a navy medic are later charged with premeditated murder, and accused of planting a rifle and a shovel by the body to make it appear he was placing a roadside bomb.

* March 15 - Six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. raid on a home in Ishaqi.

* Oct. 16, 2005 - The U.S. military killed 20 militants whom they say were planting explosives. Iraqi officials say the dead included 20 civilians, including children.

* March 4, 2005 - U.S. soldiers kill an Italian agent as he was escorting a freed Italian journalist to Baghdad airport.

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From CBC News.

The U.S. military has charged two members of the Pennsylvania National Guard in the death last February of an unarmed Iraqi civilian near Ramadi.

Specialist Nathan Lynn was charged with one count of voluntary manslaughter for allegedly shooting an unarmed man Feb. 15, the military said.

Lynn and fellow soldier Sgt. Milton Ortiz Jr. were both charged with one count of obstructing justice after they allegedly conspired to put an AK-47 assault rifle near the dead man's body to make it look like he was an armed insurgent.

Ortiz also was charged with one count of assault and one count of threatening in a separate incident on March 8, when he allegedly placed a gun against the head of an Iraqi man and threatened to send him to prison.

The charges come at a time when the U.S. military has been criticized around the world for what are seen by some as war crimes.

The Ramadi incident was just one of several alleged incidents that have come to light in recent weeks.

In one recent case, two Western news agencies claim to have evidence that U.S. troops shot dead 11 family members, including five children.

In Haditha in November, marines allegedly shot and killed 24 civilians in revenge for the killing of a fellow marine.

And, in Hamandiya, seven marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the April shooting of an Iraqi man.

Reuters listed several other alleged crimes in recent months.

* May 9 - Three detainees were shot dead during a U.S. raid on a suspected insurgent camp north of Baghdad. Four soldiers were later charged with premeditated murder.

* May 4 - U.S. troops killed two men and a woman whom they claim fired from a house in Samarra. Police find two unarmed women and a mentally handicapped man.

* April 26 - A disabled man is shot in the face in the village of Hamdania. Seven marines and a navy medic are later charged with premeditated murder, and accused of planting a rifle and a shovel by the body to make it appear he was placing a roadside bomb.

* March 15 - Six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. raid on a home in Ishaqi.

* Oct. 16, 2005 - The U.S. military killed 20 militants whom they say were planting explosives. Iraqi officials say the dead included 20 civilians, including children.

* March 4, 2005 - U.S. soldiers kill an Italian agent as he was escorting a freed Italian journalist to Baghdad airport.

When you have a large war like this your going to have all kinds of people in the mix......including bad people.

Which is why there is a need to police the military just like there is a need to police regular civilians. Its just good that the military police over there are on the job and making sure they keep the integrity of the U.S. military in check. :o=

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From CBC News.

The U.S. military has charged two members of the Pennsylvania National Guard in the death last February of an unarmed Iraqi civilian near Ramadi.

Specialist Nathan Lynn was charged with one count of voluntary manslaughter for allegedly shooting an unarmed man Feb. 15, the military said.

Lynn and fellow soldier Sgt. Milton Ortiz Jr. were both charged with one count of obstructing justice after they allegedly conspired to put an AK-47 assault rifle near the dead man's body to make it look like he was an armed insurgent.

Ortiz also was charged with one count of assault and one count of threatening in a separate incident on March 8, when he allegedly placed a gun against the head of an Iraqi man and threatened to send him to prison.

The charges come at a time when the U.S. military has been criticized around the world for what are seen by some as war crimes.

The Ramadi incident was just one of several alleged incidents that have come to light in recent weeks.

In one recent case, two Western news agencies claim to have evidence that U.S. troops shot dead 11 family members, including five children.

In Haditha in November, marines allegedly shot and killed 24 civilians in revenge for the killing of a fellow marine.

And, in Hamandiya, seven marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the April shooting of an Iraqi man.

Reuters listed several other alleged crimes in recent months.

* May 9 - Three detainees were shot dead during a U.S. raid on a suspected insurgent camp north of Baghdad. Four soldiers were later charged with premeditated murder.

* May 4 - U.S. troops killed two men and a woman whom they claim fired from a house in Samarra. Police find two unarmed women and a mentally handicapped man.

* April 26 - A disabled man is shot in the face in the village of Hamdania. Seven marines and a navy medic are later charged with premeditated murder, and accused of planting a rifle and a shovel by the body to make it appear he was placing a roadside bomb.

* March 15 - Six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. raid on a home in Ishaqi.

* Oct. 16, 2005 - The U.S. military killed 20 militants whom they say were planting explosives. Iraqi officials say the dead included 20 civilians, including children.

* March 4, 2005 - U.S. soldiers kill an Italian agent as he was escorting a freed Italian journalist to Baghdad airport.

When you have a large war like this your going to have all kinds of people in the mix......including bad people.

Which is why there is a need to police the military just like there is a need to police regular civilians. Its just good that the military police over there are on the job and making sure they keep the integrity of the U.S. military in check. :o=

+1 if it is infact true.... Any US Branch does not need these people saying they live by their branch values.

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The millitary definetly needs some law and order.

Funny we are one of the most technoligily advanced millitarys in the world yet we are also one of the dumbest How ironic LOL

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Funny we are one of the most technoligily advanced millitarys in the world yet we are also one of the dumbest How ironic LOL

Why do you say that? :blink:

Every country, operating at the scale that we are, would have 'mistakes' like this. It's fairly inevitable; like the subject says, 'War is ugly'.

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Funny we are one of the most technoligily advanced millitarys in the world yet we are also one of the dumbest How ironic LOL

Why do you say that? :blink:

Every country, operating at the scale that we are, would have 'mistakes' like this. It's fairly inevitable; like the subject says, 'War is ugly'.

Compared to other armies we are not an extremely large fighting force out military doctrine itself implie ofr a smallish yet effective army...or so i've heard.

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I don't think its 'virtually none'. Neither do I think the number is enough to generalize them for the whole army. As anyone can tell you, there are always bad potatoes in the bunch. Even in the most elite of units. A protracted campaign always bring out the worse of people. Yep, war is ugly.

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Fact, the US military has treated its prisoners far better than any other country throughout every conflict that has occurred.

Fact, during the end of WWII the Germans were begging to be taken by the US on account of the fact that #1 we treat our captives particularly well, #2 the Russians would have been far more brutal than we could ever have been.

This does not minimize the abuses that have occurred, but the facts are that abuses committed by US soldiers are rare.

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Fact, the US military has treated its prisoners far better than any other country throughout every conflict that has occurred.

Fact, during the end of WWII the Germans were begging to be taken by the US on account of the fact that #1 we treat our captives particularly well, #2 the Russians would have been far more brutal than we could ever have been.

This does not minimize the abuses that have occurred, but the facts are that abuses committed by US soldiers are rare.

about the WWII german comment. I know this from a fact from my wifes Grandpa was at the end part of the battle of the bulge and saw the russians chasing germans toward them. the germans knew that they would be killed if left in the hands of the russians. he said the germans ran to him and our soldiers becuase the germans knew this. he saw it with his own eyes.

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