RuTHlezz1 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I was over on the ubi forums and say a thread with this link in it. Its a pretty good read and some of this relates to our community and our situation with graw. http://www.gamespy.com/articles/701/701787p1.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deosl 11 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Well I think the GRAW PC community is lucky. circa 20 lucky [GR] players on Clanbase.com have beta-tested GRAW and given the developers input. Maybe one day we'll know what their involvement contributed to what GRAW is today. Then again the questions in the article differ from who they are answered by regarding it be: producer, marketing manager or developer.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 They totally pee on their suggestions, thats what I know . Maybe in upcoming patch we will see some of them, hopefully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REC0N 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Hmm they say a hardcore gamer buys about 8-10 times more games than the casual gamer. I would rather say its the opesit, the hardcore gamers usually hangon on to 2 - 3 games and stays whit those for quite a while. Edited May 10, 2006 by REC0N Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 yup Recon Hardcore competitive players stick with 1 game for 1-2-3+ years. Hardcore "fun"players buy as much as possible i guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REC0N 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Haha RuTHlezz1 I feel quite honored that you qouted me in your signature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REDMONSTER 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 very very intersting read on there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dead and Buried 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yeh, interesting read. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RuTHlezz1 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Author Share Posted May 10, 2006 LOL recon, Man when you typed that I thought it was the best thing I have read in years! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yttocs1966 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 We're doomed!!!!!! Nice find though. Bottom line, it's all about $$$$$$$$. On a side note, I would pay twice as much for a game if it was geared toward me. Made to please the "hardcore" group as to the masses. Just about everything else in life has "topself" and down. Why can't the gaming industry do something like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DisgruntledArchitect 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) I think we're getting confused about what constitutes hardcore; usually when people say hardcore around here, it's in the sense of a discriminating fan of tactical gameplay. The hardcore in the article refers less to specifically that, and more to gamers who are focused on gaming as a whole. The one part of that article that seems like it specifically addressed our plight was the bit about "if you make a game too specialized you'll drive off your mainstream consumers." GR, and the whole line of RSE game franchises, constitute a 'specialty product,' i.e. "tactical" FPS games, which would suggest that market forces dictate we get the shaft, either through an absence of our desired product, or by a mainstreaming of it. Edited May 10, 2006 by DisgruntledArchitect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REC0N 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) On a side note, I would pay twice as much for a game if it was geared toward me. Made to please the "hardcore" group as to the masses. Just about everything else in life has "topself" and down. Why can't the gaming industry do something like that? Indeed - I would pay twice even trible - for - A real quality game brought to the world by love - instead by cash Edited May 10, 2006 by REC0N Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RuTHlezz1 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Author Share Posted May 10, 2006 What I thought was interesting was how the 3 different groups had different feeling towards how we (HCG) effect the game and the way it sells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Oh yes... ask yourself a question - who's UBI? They are publishers. And who's GRIN? They are developers. Now, read this article and try to focus on pages 2 and 3. Page number 2 is a look at the things from publishers point of view. Page number 3 is a look from developers side. Now, who's on head? Of course publishers are. What it says to us? We are abandoned, even if developers are on our side. Publishers are the ones that pull the strings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REC0N 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Oh yes... ask yourself a question - who's UBI? They are publishers. And who's GRIN? They are developers. Now, read this article and try to focus on pages 2 and 3. Page number 2 is a look at the things from publishers point of view. Page number 3 is a look from developers side. Now, who's on head? Of course publishers are. What it says to us? We are abandoned, even if developers are on our side. Publishers are the ones that pull the strings. You are sooo right, and yet the nightmare is only at the begining, I'm affraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colin 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 The answer to this thread is no. I could put ten so called hardcore gamers in one room and ask one question and get a too many answers to be viable. Grin has had a hard job with this game making it playable to us on the forums and those out side, its been a balancing act, i think once the patch is out and the bugs are fixed its going to go a long way. The answer is no because you cant please all people all the time. So in reality no they dont matter, because they want far too much in one game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VeLocityChaos 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 The answer to this thread is no. I could put ten so called hardcore gamers in one room and ask one question and get a too many answers to be viable. Grin has had a hard job with this game making it playable to us on the forums and those out side, its been a balancing act, i think once the patch is out and the bugs are fixed its going to go a long way. The answer is no because you cant please all people all the time. So in reality no they dont matter, because they want far too much in one game. Agreed, Good post Colin. Takes me back to something Bo said awhile back. "The perfect game for you would sell exactly one copy" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) And what us - harcore gr gamers wanted? IMO we only wanted old product gamestyle (we are old school gr gamers, dont we? ) but extended. What we did get? GRAW is totaly new game. Only thing that both have in common is name and reticule . Thats why so many ppl are complaining. In UBI's mind one thing that have major importance is money. You want more money? You need to have more audience. Lets take a closer look at this game. SP is good, but if you want to sell tactical shooter this point need to be strong (I know that this community is more coop minded and you will protect this game couse it catches your liking). MP is BF2 like (and "we" dont like it). Why? Becouse (if we dont count CS ) one of most popular online games related to army etc. is BF series. And this is major thing with this game that ppl whine about. MP is so different from previous title that we - "hardcore" gr players - hate it. Edited May 10, 2006 by Anarchy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYR_32 6 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Agreed, Good post Colin. Takes me back to something Bo said awhile back. "The perfect game for you would sell exactly one copy" Actually, it wasn't Bo who said that.... The perfect game to you would sell EXACTLY...1 copy. The perfect game to me, would sell EXACTLY....1 copy. Take 10 million dollars, build your perfect game, and have a blast. Don't worry about MP support though, you won't need it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VeLocityChaos 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Ok, thanks for the correction. Either way I agree with it 100%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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