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wall hacking bothers me more than any other cheat.


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In real life would you be pre-firing around a corner and giving your position away at a chance you may get "1 kill" when you know there are many enemies around?  :o=

If Hack cam put an end to that i wouldn't be unhappy.

You wouldn't nade-spam the other side of Red Square after magically transporting there IRL, nor is there a spawn zone to run up on and rape. Regardless of realism, it's still a game and not many people stick to real world tactics in MP ... at least not with good results.

I think HackCam has good intentions but the concept just bothers me.

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Read the interview about how it works. Only a massive idiot would program something that picked you up for spamming a common camping spot. You're not going to get flagged unless you are WAY suss.

I hope it comes soon. I hope punkbuster is with it. Imagine the boost to your branding if you could claim a cheat free online experience.

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You wouldn't nade-spam the other side of Red Square after magically transporting there IRL, nor is there a spawn zone to run up on and rape. Regardless of realism, it's still a game and not many people stick to real world tactics in MP ... at least not with good results.

I think HackCam has good intentions but the concept just bothers me.

Again i say what is wrong with hack cam stopping that?

It ends countless hours of frustration and gives each team a fighting chance without it ending in 5 secs. It makes you use skill, not repetition.

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Read the interview about how it works. Only a massive idiot would program something that picked you up for spamming a common camping spot. You're not going to get flagged unless you are WAY suss.

I hope it comes soon. I hope punkbuster is with it. Imagine the boost to your branding if you could claim a cheat free online experience.

Perhaps we could get a personal observer with each copy of the game purchased who could get on comms with everyonoe and verify "He isn't hacking" when asked. He of course would have to be paid, fed, put up in a room, and notified of all times when you intend to game and thus become your personal butler for GR3. This would put the cost of the game somewhere around $44k, with an annual anti-cheat membership fee of $43,945.00 :o

Crazy you say? :stupid: Well so is any hope that any game will ever truly be cheat free.... if it's written with code, it can be modified. :wall:

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Read the interview about how it works. Only a massive idiot would program something that picked you up for spamming a common camping spot. You're not going to get flagged unless you are WAY suss.

I hope it comes soon. I hope punkbuster is with it. Imagine the boost to your branding if you could claim a cheat free online experience.

Perhaps we could get a personal observer with each copy of the game purchased who could get on comms with everyonoe and verify "He isn't hacking" when asked. He of course would have to be paid, fed, put up in a room, and notified of all times when you intend to game and thus become your personal butler for GR3. This would put the cost of the game somewhere around $44k, with an annual anti-cheat membership fee of $43,945.00 :o

Crazy you say? :stupid: Well so is any hope that any game will ever truly be cheat free.... if it's written with code, it can be modified. :wall:

I don't think the issue is making the game completly cheat free. We all know this is not a possibility.

The concern is having some sort of tool that will allow us to all catch these cheaters to the best of our ability. If they give us nothing, it will be a nightmare and this game just wont appeal to me very much. I will play through the SP once or twice maybe a couple of mods and then it will hit the shelves where all my other games with no replay value sit.

One thing i don't understand is GRIN nor UBI will comment on any of this or the Multi-player in general. What does this mean?

Well, i'd either have to say we will get next to nothing or its going to blow us all away. I have to lean more towards the first because, with all the other great things about GRAW we are being well informed but, when it comes to a simple yes or no question of will there be replays or an anti-cheat all you get is "I can't comment on that" or "You don't expect me to use all my bullets now?"

According to the latest Q&A the MP is not even done but, it seems their focus is on this new game mode more than allowing us to keep our servers clean. Still they will give us a bit of info on this even though it is not complete but, they wont comment on replays or an anti-cheat.

I honestly think the priorities for GRAW were more geared toward the Single Player. After all, how many threads have you seen here stressing to GRIN how important an anti-cheat was? Im very suprised to still see this thread on the 1st page as it hasn't seemed to be much of a priority to the community either.

For me, its one of if not THE most important thing about an Online Multi-player game. Especialy when you compete as a hobby or fun. You wouldn't like it if my balls had auto-aim in that game of golf we played would you?

I also don't want to see Hackcam in GRAW. The main reason, it is new and un-proven. The concept also wearys me. As mentioned about the spam. I might be spamming that corner so my teammates can cross the street safely. It might also be the first time i have ever spammed that corner OR any corner AND someone might just happen to be there. Spamming is a tactic and even if it wasn't, its not cheating. Isn't artillery spam?

I really don't care what tools are given aslong as its something effective and we can use it long term. Say what you say about Punkbuster but, it is supported and regularly updated and it GREATLY reduces the amount of cheaters you come across. Anything does really, if you have to open a notepad before you load a cheat less people will do it.

Replays are a great tool and i would really like to see them in GRAW but, replays do not catch nor attempt to prevent cheaters. You have to watch them and then still judge for yourself. Can you honestly say you would be able to tell if i loaded a cheat at the begining of a match to see which spawn you inserted in and then turned it off?

Punkbuster gets my vote, mainly because its the only AC i am familar with but, it is supported, it works and it can be streamed. By streaming, it not only catches the cheater on your server but, on every server you are streamed with. It also either prevents every known cheat or you have to do something special to get them to work. Not 100% but, very effective. Its true some have problems returning screenshots to the server and it does require the use of some extra bandwidth and CPU usage but, these things are minimal. I do occasionaly return a black screenshot but, i have not noticed anymore lag than i normaly experience. PB is also supported so you can go to them for technical info on these issues and they are pretty good at providing support.

Whether there is another AC alike i don't know but, PB seems to be the most popular. Unfortunatly, GRAW is not on the list of PB supported titles and i have not heard any indication it will be. In fact, i havn't heard much of anything. For all i know GRAW will provide a welcome mat for cheaters.

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I honestly think the priorities for GRAW were more geared toward the Single Player. After all, how many threads have you seen here stressing to GRIN how important an anti-cheat was? Im very suprised to still see this thread on the 1st page as it hasn't seemed to be much of a priority to the community either.

For me, its one of if not THE most important thing about an Online Multi-player game. Especialy when you compete as a hobby or fun. You wouldn't like it if my balls had auto-aim in that game of golf we played would you?

well i do have to say ehre the mp aspect of the game doesnt seem to be that big of a deal but i rember at the offical fourm there was harly anyone talking about the SP mode it was all about the MP mode and how they dont want cheaters. i belive the grin team would ahve seen this and have delvolped something to help stop it (and if im rembering right from when i first heard about the games and went to the offical fourms it was stated thatt hey where makeing an in house anti cheat im not 100% but that is what im rembering)

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