I need the demo! GR is the reason I got the 360

[jammo]

The reason I bought my ps2 was because I heard about an online military shooter coming out. One where you can play against other people online called SOCOM. When the game came out, it was a great idea but I thought it was poor execution. When Xbox came out with Xbox Live I heard about a military shooter called Ghost Recon. So now I have my Xbox for GR and a Ps2 for SOCOM.

I would have liked GR more if people used more strategy then "I'll look this way and you look that way". Because of this I liked SOCOM for the ps2 better because the 3rd person view allowed me to have a better sense of the battlefield without having to rely on teammates that dont use teamwork so much. When GR2 came out, I loved the idea of the 3rd person view. I always said "I wish Ghost Recon had a 3rd person view". When the ots was announced most people on these boards hated the idea. I agree, its not realistic, however, ots does not mean you have an "advantage". Ots does not mean you can't use strategy. But I believe ots doesnt require you to depend on your teamates, who you rarely play with and just arent on the same page as you as much as you do in a fps. If I had a team of guys that knew how to MOVE TOGETHER, then I would love the first person view much more. I believe ots, even though not realistic, can be great fun provided through great timing and heavy strategy. Again, I wish I had a team that could move together while in first person. Both can be very fun and strategic but the two different perspective provide for very different game play. After SOCOM and GR2 I believe I'm one of the best around, especially with the 3rd person perspective. That is why I am very anxious for this next iteration of GR.

All those military shooters provided great fun for me. I enjoyed learing how people play online and adjusting to them as well as playing off of them. I try like hell to find a person who can keep up with me and use the the kind of very quick and attentive teamwork that is required in running people over on a consistant basis. The type of teamwork that just overwhelms the enemy and constintly keeps them guessing. I have a hard time trying to find one person to play with me in a manner in which I speak. I cant imagine tyring to find a 3rd or 4th person. I want a team that knows how to have move together and a team that knows how to have shootouts! Not a team that just says "I'll look this way and you look that way".

So I adjusted. I learned to look at my map and know where my teammates are and to wait for them to die before I make a move. I also learned how to follow guys and cover their vulnerablity while we move. It finally got to a point where everying was too basic for me.

Now, when I heard that Xbox 360 was coming along with viewing Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter movies, I knew that this was the game I have been waiting for ever since I first bought my Ps2 for an online military shooter.

I bought my Xbox 360 so I would finally have this game I have been waiting 5 years for. When the 360 came out I was dissapointed that the game got delayed. I bought some games to take up the time. I would have never even rented one of these games normally. So to pass the time I play GRSS on my 360.

So what I am trying to say is I NEED THIS DAMN DEMO! I'm sick of waiting, its been so long and my patience is running thin. Especially now that I have this great console and my dream game is so close.

Edited February 20, 2006 by jammo

[sleepy m0nkey]

Hey Jammo, calm your role man. It will be here as soon as they are ready with it and the 20 posts made about the demo won't make it get here any quicker....

On another note, it seems like you are having some issues finding people "good enough" for you. I suggest checking out our site, elitecombat.net, as there you will find many teams using excellent teamwork and strategy. You might even be able to see if you really are "one of the best around".

Just my thoughts on the matter..........

[Cobblers]

WOW!!!! What a statement. Really....if you are as good as you say you are you should be going in for competitions and winning prizes worth £100,000's regularly.

Thing is, on a public server where you rarely play along with the same people, then yes, you are going to stuggle to find any kind of cohesion with one another. And in my GR prime, had you put me on a server full of nobby public players I too would have owned the server, but there is always someone that is better than you.....

Like EC JonT stated, join up on his/her server where you are going up against a clan that does work together and use proper tactics and you will find a better source of competition. If not, try my first statement.

[audiolab]

OTS VIEW =CHEATING in my point of view .people hiding behind rocks in summit strike and still being able to see behind the rock is cheating and takes all the skill out of the game .

if you like the view fine anyway i had my moan

happy camping

[Sup]

OTS VIEW =CHEATING in  my point of view .people hiding behind rocks in summit strike and still being able to see behind the rock is cheating and takes all the skill out of the game .

if you like the view fine anyway i had my moan

happy camping

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Just the same, real people can move their body from a whole lot of different places. There's a massive depth of control that is near impossible to replicate in a game.

FPS isn't realistic because it's insanely limiting (Humans have greatly more situational awareness, and, as I said, can move a great deal more.)

OTS isn't realistic because you can see the back of your head, and without your character actually animating to peek over rocks, you can see around them. However, personally, I think it better simulates the kind of situations GRAW offers.

[audiolab]

the only thing that would work for the purists would be this" a very expensive VR helmet with mercury switches to feel the head movement etc"

now wouldnt that be awesome and i for sure would buy it

A VR SITE

this is the tip of the iceberg and our children will be playing it

Edited February 20, 2006 by audiolab

[Sup]

the only thing that would work for the purists would be this" a very expensive VR helmet with mercury switches to feel the head movement etc"

now wouldnt that be awesome and i for sure would buy it 

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But then you're ruining classic GR. Mouse and keyboard are key.

[audiolab]

check out the link in post above

[Cobblers]

Without looking into it too much, does it require use by both eyes, like with 3D images? If so, it'd be a ###### for me and my lazy eye.

Even if I could use it, I'd still prefer using the K&M.

[audiolab]

Without looking into it too much, does it require use by both eyes, like with 3D images?  If so, it'd be a ###### for me and my lazy eye. 

Even if I could use it, I'd still prefer using the K&M.

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thats the beauty of it you could use kb/mouse to control movement but what if you could use the helmet to control the soldiers vision within the limits of the neck .ill get my coat

why dont we just join the regular army that would be lifelike

Edited February 20, 2006 by audiolab

[Cons72]

OTS VIEW =CHEATING in  my point of view .people hiding behind rocks in summit strike and still being able to see behind the rock is cheating and takes all the skill out of the game .

if you like the view fine anyway i had my moan

happy camping

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Everyone has the same opportunity, so by definition, it is not cheating.

It may not be the type of gameplay you like, but it is within the rules of the game, as the developers put it in as the default view.

cheating

adj 1: not faithful to a spouse or lover; "adulterous husbands and wives"; "a two-timing boyfriend" [syn: adulterous, cheating(a), two-timing(a)] 2: violating accepted standards or rules; "a dirty fighter"; "used foul means to gain power"; "a nasty unsporting serve"; "fined for unsportsmanlike behavior" [syn: cheating(a), dirty, foul, unsporting, unsportsmanlike]

v. intr.

1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.

2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.

[audiolab]

thanks for the dictionary quote see you guys in recon 3 but in first person only

[OPSIXDELTA]

OTS VIEW =CHEATING in  my point of view .people hiding behind rocks in summit strike and still being able to see behind the rock is cheating and takes all the skill out of the game .

if you like the view fine anyway i had my moan

happy camping

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i see what you are saying. however remember the game is cheating as well. cause i have never seen in real life the enemy being able to teleport directly behind you, after you have cleared the area behind you. Its also amazing how they can get single shot headshots, from a moving jeep, with a heavy machine gun. Cheating........sure. ...on both sides. FPS's can cheat just as easily my friend. i know because i did in unreal.

Edited February 20, 2006 by OPSIXDELTA

[jammo]

"OTS=CHEATING"

Please justify that statement! I really dont want to hear about reality or looking over your shoulder where you cant be seen. Its a video game and the game was made that way for everyone to play. Camping? I cant help but to thing that your statement is hypocritcal. I dont understand you people that make these statements. You want reality but you believe that in war people just run around aimlessly looking for kills. Not to mention, you're looking through a tv with absolutely nothing that resembles a gun in your hands. I hear whinny excuses all the time after I kick someones ass. "you camping p***y". What should I do? Play like you and lose? However, I dont camp! I follow my teammates, I look at my map and I move when the enemy is weak. You'll notice in my original post I talk about movement! No disrespect to you but I have little respect for people that make statements like that. Ots is what it is. Its part of a game. If you dont like the way the game is played, dont play it. Sorry, if i offend you but I have come to the conclusion that people that make that statement dont know how to play.

On another note, I would check out those websites of those clans but the problem is I'm trying to find one person that I can count on and vise versa. Joining a clan of a bunch of people that are good doesnt necesarily mean thats going to happen. I'm trying to find one person at a time. I will check out the website though!

Edited February 20, 2006 by jammo

[Cobblers]

When you find him/her, won't you both argue over who is the best player though?

(Soz couldn't help but to tease)

So what you are saying is you want to find that special person, or start off with that one special person and hope to eventually find several special people to create a clan with?

Cause most people with your skill are doing this type of stuff in clans, or are entering competitions, like I stated you should do beforehand. By entering comps you might find the type of person you are looking for.

[lonegunman718]

thanks for the dictionary quote   see you guys in recon 3 but in first person only

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is that so you can whine when you are killed by someone in ots view?

[jammo]

When you find him/her, won't you both argue over who is the best player though?   

(Soz couldn't help but to tease)

So what you are saying is you want to find that special person, or start off with that one special person and hope to eventually find several special people to create a clan with?

Cause most people with your skill are doing this type of stuff in clans, or are entering competitions, like I stated you should do beforehand.  By entering comps you might find the type of person you are looking for.

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Well, my story is I have joined clans but not from internet websites. My experience with the few clans I have played with I wouldnt consider "team work". If you're with teammates you're only as good as the weakest link. I wouldnt argue with a squad mate, if I had one, over who is better. I believe that each has to count on the other to survive. If I had a running partner I could trust I would make more moves that would normally be risky for people that are running alone because I could count on that person to be quick enough to cover my vulnerable angle or quick enough to flank the threat while I take cover and distract. I really dont understand why people want to play 1 on 1 to decide who is better. If you ask me that shows absolutley no skill in a squad based game. What I consider skill is who can work with their teammates the best. Not who is better at killing individualy. I ALWAYS use my teammates. When I'm playing with random people I put my self in a position so that my teammates die before I do, letting me know where the threat is. I will follow them and try and cover their vulnerability. This strategy alows me to have the best kill/death ratio in the rooms I play in most of the time. There will be times where people will have a better ratio but I have not played in a room where anyone is more consistant than I am. That is why I said I believe I am one of the best.

I'm going to check out some clan sites but I really need to play with one person before I play with 2. The problem I find when joining clans is they seperate their forces. Also, they dont usually have that one person calling the shots. I would like to start my own and kind of teach people my strategies and techniques. Most experienced players are set in their ways and usually dont have the want to or the patience to learn something new.

I did a little bit of reading of the 'Art of War' and I have developed a squad strategy from what I have learned from the book. Again, the problem is trying find someone that is willing to learn what I have designed.

Some of what I have learned from the book is

1. Never fight a battle on two fronts.

2. Never seperate your forces. (I will to cordinate an attack on one specific area from different angles. ie. Taking over a room from two different entrances or flanking. It may be a separation but not a very big one and for not very long)

3. Always hit the enemy where they least expect it.

4. Information is huge! (I would obtain this by putting a guy in a key location to overwatch (sniper) the map and tell the rest of the team where the enemy is.)

5. Your positioning of your forces is very important.

I'd like to use things such as crossfires, sweeps, bounding/overwatch and coverfire. Now, the bounding/overwatch is somewhat different to take advantage of the ots perspective. Also, no shootouts! We would have cover fire but no way in hell would we have shootouts. If one person is getting shot at he simply takes cover while the team moves on the threat. Mostly I want a team that can systematically attack a fortified position when need be. Once this is achieved, I believe the rest falls to into place. One example, would be two guys at a corner stacked up (very short period of time due to the vulnerablity) The number 1 guy gives the ready while the number 2 guy moves. As soon as a threat appears that number 1 guy is in perfect position take aim and fire on the threat to kill or to alow the number 2 guy to take cover. Like I said the guy getting shot will never shootback unless he absolutely haves to. He might fire his weapon in the air for distraction or he'll shoot at the guy if the threat has switched targets. But more or less, no shootouts.

I know alot of clans will say we'll go this way and you go that way. If you keep your squad together and have a tecnique for attack, in theory you should overwhelm the enemy and defeat the team that has split their forces.

After reading that book and studying online play I believe I have a great system that would be extremely effective if I could find some players that have the patience enough to try and learn my system. I'm going to look at some of these clan sites but I would really prefer to start my own. Also, I have solo drills to work on the teamwork aspect of moving, coverfire and attacking a camper or a fortified position.

Edited February 21, 2006 by jammo