de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 (edited) Need help with hand placement in a very difficult model that no-one has done before... if someone is interested post here... Only really talented "hand placers" allowed... Edited March 18, 2003 by de_nome_lanicon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pain 0 Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 What are you needing? Hand placement doesn't take "really talented" modelers to do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 19, 2003 Author Share Posted March 19, 2003 (edited) Yes, if you want to place hands on my Compound Bow... Edited March 19, 2003 by de_nome_lanicon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Streinger 0 Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 I've been waching your post on the bow idea...so I feel there are a few things I have to share with you. I made a crossbow that I've intended to put in a mod...and as cool as it loked at first, there was just no point in introducing such a weapon in GR. (unless, of coarse, you intend to make a mod with bow/crossbow type of weapons ONLY) The thing is...if you make a bow/ crossbow realistic, it's no match for any firearm in the game..pistol included...and if you step out of realism, you got a single-shot silent sniper rifle... My crossbow was coded as GL, the velocity of the projectile (arrow) was set to 140m/sec, ( I made one of those 185-pounder mother of a crossbow), I even modeled an actual arrow...when fired, you could actually see it flying in a curved trajectory and hitting a tango... It was coded to be supressed, (so tangos' reaction was apropriate, after all, crossbows are supposed to be silent) and the projectile had an explosion type "0", ( no visual explosion), there was no explosion sound when the arrow would hit a tango, but it would still knock him down on his back with his feet up in the air...the explosion radius was set to 1cm, so it had to actually hit the tango to kill him.. It all seemed perfect..but..the weapon just wasn't justifyable to be introduced in the game. The maximum effective range was some 60- 80 meters, and with the 140m/sec velocity, a tango would sometimes dodge the arrow! Each arrow had to be loaded individually, and at 50m, if you miss and need to reload, you're dead.. It just couldn't mach the firearms..it was frustrating.... If you are trying to create a bow/ crossbow only mod, it's then another thing entirely... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 19, 2003 Author Share Posted March 19, 2003 (edited) It's a COMPOUND bow... velocity will be near 300Km/h, max range up to 100m/150m, and I'm modding also explosive arrows (Rambo's ones) I'll make it realistic and it will be just for my (and my team) personal fun... You're right... there's no comparison with other weapons... It is just for fun! Edited March 19, 2003 by de_nome_lanicon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pain 0 Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 (edited) Yes, if you want to place hands on my Compound Bow No, it doesn't. If you really knew that it did you wouldn't be looking for help on it. You would have already figured it out, I did. Edited March 19, 2003 by Pain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Thanks... very helpful Wow ... you're great... you've figured it out.... What a great modder you have to be... Everyone could figure it out... the only problem is: I don't have time to try.... I was only asking gently... Just tell me how to change radically both hands positioning... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pain 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 (edited) Thanks... very helpful Wow ... you're great... you've figured it out.... What a great modder you have to be... LOL! Kids... Doesn't really matter to me if you got time for it or not. You never said you needed SOMEONE else to do it for you because you didn't have time. Ahh well... Edited March 20, 2003 by Pain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Ya...k sorry you're right... completely right.... But I didn't say I need someone else to do it... I only asked for good advice... this is a forum were modder (or supposed to be...) share their knowledge and ideas... If this is your idea of sharing you'd better close yourself in a box and keep saying "I'm the best one, I'm the best one..." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pain 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 If this is your idea of sharing you'd better close yourself in a box and keep saying "I'm the best one, I'm the best one..." Nice, this is a good way to get the response you really need. I don't claim to be the best, never have. Anyway, like you said: this is a forum were modder (or supposed to be...) share their knowledge and ideas... and seems that you don't really need help with anything other than your attitude. Don't worry gr.net, I'm not try to start a flame war, just sending my sorrow to you for having to deal with people like de_nome_lanicon. Main reason I quit GR Modding is because some people don't have enough patience to wait for an answer to their problem and some people think that there's only ONE true modder out there. Have a nice day de_nome_lanicon, I know I will Hmm, wonder who will have that bow in a mod first? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 It's a COMPOUND bow... velocity will be near 300Km/h, max range up to 100m/150m An arrow fired from the average compound bow will travel as speeds near 275 - 310 feet per second. And the max range of compound bows is around 60 yards, even for the best archers. Anything past that, and the wind will start to push your arrow a mile off course. Sure you can adjust for the wind, but the risk of missing your pronghorn or antelope and not making an ethical kill.... just isn't worth the risk. (This is all from a bowhunter's point of view ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
de_nome_lanicon 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 An arrow fired from the average compound bow will travel as speeds near 275 - 310 feet per second. We're talking about the same thing with different unit system... But you're absolutely right about the max range... Only thing is that in gr 60m is too near to fire an HE arrow... I started this topic only to know if there was a way to move the right hand of gr soldiers and move his body to fit the bow... I'm sorry about what happened with "pain"... I didn't want to start an argument ... but I really cannot understand why he wrote like that... K... sorry for everything... Peace and Love Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Woolie Wool 0 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 It all seemed perfect..but..the weapon just wasn't justifyable to be introduced in the game. The maximum effective range was some 60- 80 meters, and with the 140m/sec velocity, a tango would sometimes dodge the arrow! Each arrow had to be loaded individually, and at 50m, if you miss and need to reload, you're dead.. It just couldn't mach the firearms..it was frustrating.... If you are trying to create a bow/ crossbow only mod, it's then another thing entirely... Someone doesn't understand the power of a crossbow--the Mongol had bows that could hurl arrows up to 1/8 of a mile. God only knows such bows', uh, notch veloctiites. History suggests the Chinese had an awfully hard time dodging it... If all else fails, in the 1600s and 1700s there were crossbows that fired--betcha didn't see this coming--round lead bullets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Streinger 0 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Someone doesn't understand the power of a crossbow But I do...that's why I wanted to introduce the crossbow to GR in the first place...now..1/8 of a mile..FYI, that's 200m, and you'd have to shoot under an angle to achieve the right trajectory for that range...60-80m was the effective range..where you could still aim and hit an individual target. Sure, if you are shooting an arrow from 200m at a group of a few 1000s Chinese formed in a nice phalange, you're bound to hit someone...and they didn't have AK-47s back then either! That lead bullit info is no real surprise..my crossbow was coded with an arrow velocity of 140m/sec. 9mm pistols achieve 300-340m/sec...sub-sonic 9mm rounds for suppressed SMG's have the velocity reduced down to 200-250m/sec..but the effective range of those weapons is small. We all know what they are built for...try coding MP5 SD as a single shot, you won't get very far in a game with that...that's why I abandoned the crossbow.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Woolie Wool 0 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I guess 1/8 of a mile "sounds" a lot farther than 200 meters. 200 meters is nothing. Consider this when you try to make bows and arrows--Revolutionary War muskets have a rate of fire of about 2 rounds per minute--that's a 30 second reload time. Also, there's a very small chance that after you spend all that time reloading, the gun might blow up in your face and kill you when you pull the trigger! Crossbows could be fired at 3 rounds/min and longbows at 7. Neither would randomly explode. Still, nobody was using bows and arrows against the Redcoats. Gee, wonder why, maybe because firearms are more powerful than any crossbow? Ever wondered why nobody wears 70-pound suits of plate armor anymore/ Maybe bullets could go right through them? Hmmmm... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Streinger 0 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 @Woolie, you touched a subject that I like immensely..Middle Age warfare... Did you know that the Church in Europe tried to ban the use of a crossbow because in their opinion the weapon was "too powerfull"? Apparently, a good crossbow could penetrate a plate breast armour at 100 paces (some 80meters)... I read that some SPECOPS units during WWII used crossbows for silent elimination of guards and guard dogs...I guess suppressors weren't as silent back then as they are now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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