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Actually, no. If I get my ass handed to me by someone who isn't cheating, and i mean cheating, not using moves available in the game, then I got my ass handed to me because they were the better player, plain and simple.

I play the game to have fun. If I win, hey great, if I don't, it was still fun.

And as I said before, if you would use something like that, more power to you. And I did say tht it was my OPINION that it would be a pretty useless addition. That is my opinion. It isn't something i would ever use, because of the way I play. i'm not into all that run and gun crap. Just my style. And 95% of the time, that is the style of the people I play with.

But I don't sit around whining if I lose.

Of course, who asks a question like that, unless they are being borderline insulting?

And I wasn't making an empty boast, I was trying to lighten things up. The situation would probably never arise anyway. I doubt seriously we'd ever see the inside of the same game. almost guarantee it in fact. :rocky:

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I wasn't making an empty boast, I was trying to lighten things up. 

Wait, let me check.

But for those of you in favor of the move, I hope you get it.

More opportunity for me to shoot you while you're busy trying to roll over on all your gear.

They may know that one dumb move where they roll over onto their backs on top of all their equipment to shoot me. 

Wow, you do know how to lighten up the mood. :D I don't know how I ever misread your tone the first time.

--Logos

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For the record, Specter, sarcasm and borderline jabs aside, there's no genuine malice in this.

I've seen enough of you in these two recent arguments/discussions that we've had to know that you would NOT get seriously bent out of shape by this sort of discussion or start flaming, but I still wanted to go on record, if not for you, for anyone else reading the thread. :):):)

So how's the weather there in NC? It's dark, damp, and downright London-like here in Orlando.

--Logos

p.s. Watch what you say about my momma. ;)

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my 2 cents, again.

Weapon wont be fired accuratly at all 100yards or more. Maybe less?

Jumping pass some one on your belly, then rolling over onto your back is going to be some rambo crap and very bad for tac sims.

not to mention your going to have a harder time aiming to your left and right.

and i say it again, if done realisticly and it doesnt tie up any of my key commands, I say put it in, Ill enjoy killing people trying to nail a sniper in a building behind them like that.

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Jumping pass some one on your belly, then rolling over onto your back is going to be some rambo crap and very bad for tac sims.

i think we've established thru a few of us rolling around on the floor, you cannot and therefore should not be able to dive to the floor, roll over with heavy kit on, and shoot someone 30feet away in the head, and to be honest i don't think that was ever the intention....

the point of this inclusion is more for desperation attempts at stopping someone behind you, but more importantly can also be used to check behind you, without you leaving cover, or making a ton of noise sliding about to switch your position

not to mention your going to have a harder time aiming to your left and right.

try leaning on ur elbows and turning left and right, now do it on your back..... :thumbsup:

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Weapon wont be fired accuratly at all 100yards or more. Maybe less?

Absolutely. I would say much less than 100 yards. I wouldn't hope to be successful with it beyond 100 feet, and not very succesful at 100. Of course, how many encounters in TvT take place at less than 100 feet? Quite a few, particularly in an urban environment.

Jumping pass some one on your belly, then rolling over onto your back is going to be some rambo crap and very bad for tac sims.

I was either unclear somewhere or you misread something. That scenario would be downright silly and was never what I intended.

I think maybe we missed each other on the scenario where you run up on someone from behind. What I intended in that was that the person you run up on is already in a prone position. The person advancing wouldn't be the person to use that movement in that situation. Rather, the person already prone would use it. With a good soundcard, they might hear you coming up from behind, and might already be on their back waiting for you and get the drop on you before you know they are there. Without this movement, the person who was already prone and facing the wrong way would have only two options when hearing someone come up behind them:

1-stand and turn, which would more than likely allow you to see them and negate any element of surprise, or...

2-scooch around while remaining in a prone position, which would take a lot longer than rolling onto their back, and increase the likelihood that you would advance far enough to see them before they were facing toward you and, thus, negate the chance of surprise.

With this new movement, they could roll onto their back and, motionless, wait for you to advance far enough that you clear the brush that is now in front of them, and kablooey!

I don't think this is going to convince anyone who is already deadset against it, but I didn't want to leave that Rambo example hanging out there. I, too, would hate that.

--Logos

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the point of this inclusion is more for desperation attempts at stopping someone behind you, but more importantly can also be used to check behind you, without you leaving cover, or making a ton of noise sliding about to switch your position

Yup, good thread, like i said bbefore this idea is much better than most of the thinking UBI has been doing by including red dimonds, frag trajectory icons for LD, 3rd person crap tat does nothing for game play .

something similar to this can be included to improve gameplay. weather it be a different way to shoot, or simply a different way to look around, or a way to set up demos or boobytraps.

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IT has zero to do with the original scenario

It is very possible if the dev team doesnt make it so you cant do this it can and will be done.

heak you can see the guy in the video almost pull it off laying down with out the roll over feature.

I think about a lot of possibilities when features are implemented into a game, theres the good and then the bad on how it effects the gameplay.

Its almost like arguing about first person weapons views...

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It isnt a practical tactic thats used. In that case it should not be included.

Get over it, what prozac said, a bunch of Rambo crap that will aint gonna work for TAC SIMS. I've never wished to use this feature anyway, if it were to be included in any game, it shouldnt be a TACSIM. Its something to be seen in a cheap action flick or something.

Save it.

I like how you all sided with Logos and his high held intelligience.

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In all fairness of what im trying to point out is yes it will have its benifits as it is somthing you can do in real life. Im just trying to point out that even thoe it can be done it has its limitations and theres better way to handel the situations not by using brute force. It's somthing every Tom Clancy Fan Knows of its called tactics.

A. You should have a team covering your six.

B. Your team has been whiped out, You should try to remain mobile and keep from getting flanked or pinned down.

C. Dont try to out shoot a sniper, there is a reason why in the army they are supposed to take cover when a sniper takes a shot at you.

You're playing Ghost Recon its about the tactics!

not how fast you can role onto your back.......

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I like how you all sided with Logos and his high held intelligience.

i didn't side with anyone least of all their intelligence, i like the idea of being able to look behind me without having to get up.....you're acting like medi-packs have been suggested

In all fairness of what im trying to point out is yes it will have its benifits as it is somthing you can do in real life. Im just trying to point out that even thoe it can be done it has its limitations and theres better way to handel the situations not by using brute force. It's somthing every Tom Clancy Fan Knows of its called tactics.

A. You should have a team covering your six.

B. Your team has been whiped out, You should try to remain mobile and keep from getting flanked or pinned down.

C. Dont try to out shoot a sniper, there is a reason why in the army they are supposed to take cover when a sniper takes a shot at you.

You're playing Ghost Recon its about the tactics!

not how fast you can role onto your back.......

thats a fair point, and i think the sniper point has long been proven, we arent gonna hit them and thats fair enuf, i'd be happy if there was the option just to roll over and look, without the ability to shoot....because despite wat i shud do, when i'm 1v3, i tend to sit still and hope for the best :thumbsup:

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And just because something is possible in real life, doesn't mean it should be done, or that it's going to translate well to a game.

Like spitting. Excellent point.

... yes it will have its benifits as it is somthing you can do in real life. Im just trying to point out that even thoe it can be done it has its limitations...

Thank you. And I agree completely. Where we disagree is that I think the limited benefits make the option worthwhile; you don't. And that's cool. This is a classic "agree to disagree" moment.

B. Your team has been whiped out, You should try to remain mobile and keep from getting flanked or pinned down.

C. Dont try to out shoot a sniper, there is a reason why in the army they are supposed to take cover when a sniper takes a shot at you.

As far as the sniper option goes, your advice is sound. For clarity's sake, I was, from the beginning, not envisioning rolling over and popping a sniper 300 meters out. That's nuts. Even in that initial scenario, I was envisioning a much closer range, not a sniper on a hill far off, but much closer in an urban environment, someone in a window, someone 20 or 30 feet back and 20 - 40 feet up. Again, though, your assessment of this situation is sound; I agree that this is a dead scenario and needs no further discussion.

Now, I still think it's a viable option in the event that you're alone and prone and someone is approaching from the rear.

Your suggestion that you should remain crouched or mobile and not go prone when you're alone is perfectly valid and, I think, the only good argument I've heard against its usefulness in that situation -- basically, you shouldn't be prone if your alone. I'll buy that. I have gone prone when I was the last one left, but I can't say it's very comfortable. It's downright nerve-wracking, actually, because I feel blind. I typically stay crouched in that situation, but I have gone prone, and I can't say that I won't find reason to do it again. I would like to have this new posture available in the event that I do find that reason, and I promise, promise, promise that I can fire a handgun or rifle accurately from my back at a range of 10-20 feet, especially if I know they're coming, and they don't know I'm there. I understand that you don't see that limited benefit as justification for its inclusion. Cool.

Get over it, what prozac said, a bunch of Rambo crap that will aint gonna work for TAC SIMS.  Its something to be seen in a cheap action flick or something.

I fail to see how rolling from your belly onto your back in an attempt to gain position while not exposing yourself is rambo-like, but maybe you've seen the direcor's cut. I haven't.

I like how you all sided with Logos and his high held intelligience.

I don't think anyone sided with anything because of perceived intelligence. What I do think is that with all the thoughtless linguistic and rhetorical garbage that exists on most forums on the internet (and this site is cleaner in that regard than most) people appreciate when someone a) has an original thought, and b) expresses that thought and any subsequent argument intelligently, and with a minimum of grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors, and this happens so infrequently that those people who appreciate it when they see it feel compelled to make public note of it. That's what I think, anyway, but I'm not very bright, so who knows?

i'd be happy if there was the option just to roll over and look, without the ability to shoot...

I wouldn't. Can you imagine the complaints from people who were on their backs, saw someone advancing from behind, but couldn't shoot because the game disallows it from that posture? That would be incredibly frustrating.

--Logos

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I wouldn't.  Can you imagine the complaints from people who were on their backs, saw someone advancing from behind, but couldn't shoot because the game disallows it from that posture?  That would be incredibly frustrating.

i'm not saying its a particularly fair option, i was merely sayin that with the option of it being included with no shootin ability or not being included, i'd rather it was included.....my obvious preference is to have a reduced ability to aim and shoot while on my back, but myb if it was felt that was unfair/damaging to gameplay, an extended lean look over you shoulder would be a possibility....

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It isnt a practical tactic thats used. In that case it should not be included.

Get over it, what prozac said, a bunch of Rambo crap that will aint gonna work for TAC SIMS. I've never wished to use this feature anyway, if it were to be included in any game, it shouldnt be a TACSIM. Its something to be seen in a cheap action flick or something.

Save it.

I like how you all sided with Logos and his high held intelligience.

You get over it. It's a ######ing video game. All of this "tacsim" garbage is ridculous. The game is for entertainment, period. And there is nothing Rambo about the move discussed. If you had any reading comprehension, you'd realize that.

Why don't we all get over it? I think all that can be said on this has been.

And it is a TAC Sim. Well, for the serious players, anyway.

So why don't we all get over the insults? Or is that too much to ask? Maybe it's too much since a couple of you keep doing it.

I think someone needs to lock this thread. :wall::padlock:

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I think all that can be said on this has been.

So why don't we all get over the insults?

Or is that too much to ask?

Maybe it's too much since a couple of you keep doing it.

@Specter :clapping:

Apparently it is too much to ask? :please:

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