Cartridges

[redneck]

I had these laying around the house, so I thought I might put them together as a visual reference:

[XRW_smatman]

good post, too bad 9mm and 10mm rounds aren't up there though. I've always wondered how the 10mm compares to the other rounds.

[Zantar45]

I got a pic showing the sizes of pistol rounds, lemme find it and Ill post it.

*ADDED*

ok I found them but i need to make a site, because I forgot where I found them on the net.Heres a few minus 10mm

9x17mm/.380 9x19mm/9mm .40S&W .45ACP .38Special .357Magnum .44Mag

Edited March 15, 2003 by Zantar45

[redneck]

I've always wondered how the 10mm compares to the other rounds.

10mm looks a lot like 40 S&W.

I don't have an 9mm guns at home, but 9mm is just a bit smaller than the 40 S&W.

[300Mag]

Here is a picture of a 10mm Auto:

From left to right:

40S&W, 357SIG, 10mm Auto

The 10mm develops an impressive amount of energy. A 170 grain bullet can be loaded at up to 1400 fps and develops nearly 700 pounds of energy. Energy levels out of a 10mm are comparable to low end 41 Magnum revolvers. It's one of the most powerful cartridges ever developed specifically for semi-automatic pistols.

Here are the pistols that utilize them.

The top is a Glock 35, 40S&W. It also has a stainless 357SIG barrel that can be swapped in. The 357SIG and 40S&W are identical cartridges with the exception of the .355 bullet in the 357SIG. Nope, not a typo. The bullet in the 357SIG is actually .355 in diameter. SIG called it the 357SIG due to it's intended power range, identical to a 4 inch 357 Magnum revolver. The dimensions of the case itself are identical, so 40 caliber and 357SIG magazines are for the most part usable with the other round. Nothing except a barrel swap is usually required. The 10mm Auto pictured, a Glock20, has a 6 inch stainless match barrel for hunting. The longer barrel develops higher velocities and thus, more energy. It's one poweful semi-auto.

The G35 has an M6 Tactial light/laser combo on it. Half fun, half practical. The G20 will soon have a CMore Red Dot on top of it for hunting. It should be good out to 75, perhaps 100 yards or so. Even at 100 yards, the 10mm will have more energy than 95% of the 45APC +P loads out there have at the muzzle. The 10mm is somewhat under represented in GR. Kinda hoping it catches on

Edited March 15, 2003 by 300Mag

[Pyro_Monty]

Hey 300Mag, I see you've got the Hogue Handall. I've been trying to find people with them to ask a couple questions. Firstly, how do you find it? How does it help with controlling recoil? And have you ever tried one on a USP?

I'm thinking of getting one as soon as I can find a UK distributor; I've heard good things about them.

[redneck]

The 10mm is somewhat under represented in GR.  Kinda hoping it catches on

Too much muzzle flip, too sharp of a recoil, and too much training required to use it effectively. This, I believe, is why the 40 S&W was developed (primarily for US law enforcement), as an intermediate cartridge between 9mm and 10mm.

I am sure in the hand of a trained and practiced shooter it's a great cartridge. After all, my favorite is the 44 S&W Special, fired from a large-frame 45oz Model 629.

I didn't like the sharp recoil of 40 S&W in my lightweight Glock 22C, so I got this:

That's now my favorite semi-auto (though I admit I am revolver guy).

[300Mag]

Pyro,

All together I'm pretty impressed with them. For 10 USD, it's a pretty cheap investiment to keep hold of your sidearm. It takes a fairly sincere amount of effort to get one on. It helps to warm one up in either warm water or using a hair dryer. This makes the grip a little more maluable for just long enough to put it on. I have one on my USP 40 as well. The USPs are very fine weapons. Made like tanks, with good steel. The only thing that bothered me was the highly pebbled grip surface. I guess you have noticed the same thing Tends to dig into your skin after a little while. The Handall does a good job of taking that away and providing a fairly non-slip surface when it's hot out and your hands are slippery. If you can't find a UK distributor for them, give me a shout. SnailMail takes a while, but still works.

[300Mag]

Too much muzzle flip, too sharp of a recoil, and too much training required to use it effectively. This, I believe, is why the 40 S&W was developed (primarily for US law enforcement), as an intermediate cartridge between 9mm and 10mm.

Yes, the FBI orginally intended to adopt the 10mm Auto due to a really nasty shooting incident in Miami in the mid 80s. Several FBI agents died when they went after a guy wacked out on PCP. They shot the guy eight times with 115 grain 9mm silvertips. The perp had a Ruger Min-14 in I believe 223/5.56 and killed multiple officers with it before being killed himself.

After that, the FBI went in search of a cartridge with more power. They initially looked at the 10mm Auto, but some officers had trouble controlling it. The FBI did one thing the right way. Rather than focus on a particular round, they started with a ballistic formula. They wanted a 180 grain bullet traveling at 950 fps. This would give the desired amount of energy and penetration to do what they considered to be an adequate job. Smith and Wesson then got involved after they figured out that a shorter version of the 10mm could do what the FBI wanted. A big value added was that the new cartridge, soon dubbed the 40S&W, was small enough to fit in a standard 9mm frame.

The 10mm does take a bit of practice. However, once you get used to it, the cartridge is extremely versatile and powerful.

Redneck, is that a CZ or Tanfoglio?

Edited March 15, 2003 by 300Mag

[redneck]

Redneck, is that a CZ or Tanfoglio?

Sorry, that's a CZ 75B. Wonderful handgun, excellent value (costs about the same as a Ruger P-series, but much nicer looking and you know looks count).

Hmm, ###### down rain here this morning. Looks like the wife and I will be heading over to the indoor range...

[300Mag]

CZs are great pistols. In my 2 cent opinion, one of the best designs out of Europe ever.