Militiaman Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I have been looking all over the internet for the latest news on the new rifle which will replace the M-16. I haven't found anything newer than July 2005. I put the most relevant part of the article below. All the rest of the article is news we have already heard (if you are keeping up on this subject). According to the July 2005 article it looks like testing for a replacement of the M-16 may not be done until December 2006. “It will be something completely different from the M16,†he said. “It will be something along the lines of SCAR.†SCAR is the special forces combat-assault rifle—a family of 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm weapons with a grenade-launcher attachment—that FN Herstal is producing for the U.S. Special Operations Command, The process of evaluating the proposals and testing prototypes could take another year to 18 months, Clarke said. “The linchpin is going to be coming up with a system that is compatible with a light machine gun,†he said. “There are plenty of people out there who make a good 5.56 mm rifle.†Meanwhile, “we’re still working the M4s,†he said. “We’re buying several thousand a month from Colt,†he said. “Also, we’ll probably buy a few more M16s to replace those that can’t be repaired. We have to maintain our current fleet while we develop a new one.†If you want to read the entire article use the internet link below: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/iss...Jul/Back_to.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 If they go for the SCAR I hope it is upgraded to the 6.8mm. The 5.56mm NEEDS to go. Varmit rounds don't work too well when targets are more than 20lbs in weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake@War Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Good find, MM. The SCAR is a VERY good rifle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I think mr macinko knows sumtin we dont. Dont tell me your field testing the scars soon =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arms Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Should be something soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabellum Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I wouldn't put too much stock on anything you read on the internet concerning the issue. The regional HK guy told me last year that the US military had purchased something along the lines of 100,000 HK M4's, as that's what the military had decided on. Clearly, that's not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 I wouldn't put too much stock on anything you read on the internet concerning the issue. The regional HK guy told me last year that the US military had purchased something along the lines of 100,000 HK M4's, as that's what the military had decided on. Clearly, that's not the case. ← LOL. That is what they were saying when I saw the grey room. They were talking like they had already bumped off Colt's contract. They guy talking like a complete replacement of the current Colts were just days away. That was the summer of 2004. Don't get me wrong the 416 was very nice. It felt solid as a rock, but when you took it apart there really was nothing ground breaking about its design. Even the piston drive is something that has been around for a while. I remember running into a guy at a gun range that had a piston drive system on his Bushmaster AR15, and that was a back in 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militiaman Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 I don't know if anyone has seen this website, but the information on it has been updated as of July 26th 2006. http://www.defense-update.com/products/s/scar.htm Apparently the 5.56 x 45 Mark 16 will have three barrel lengths. Standard configuration is a 13.78 inch barrel. Close Quarters Combat configuration will likely have a barrel of around 10 inches. They will also have a long range barrel for the Mark 16 that will likely be 18 inches to 20 in length. The weight of the Mark 16 in standard configuration is only 6.8 pounds unloaded. The weight of the 7.62 x 51 SCAR H is 7.2 pounds with a barrel length of 19.7 inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Cool find! Also, not the pistol in the background of that top photo. Sam Fisher would be proud- FN-Herstal Five-seveN (5.7mm x 28mm). You can tell it anywhere by the goofy ambidextrous safety. Wonder if the SF crew are thinking on buying THOSE too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 cant wait for a civi version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 cant wait for a civi version. I'm sure that'll be quite expensive for a while, but SHOULD be worth it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 The EGLM is a 40mm grenade launcher with a side-opening breech to allow loading longer munitions Hmm ... looks like GRAW got that wrong, not that this really surprises me - I was actually a bit shocked to see the breach-loading GL in GRAW since side-loading tubes are really the norm now to fit longer HEAT and PFA-type projectiles. Looks like SOCOM is really serious about this rifle, which is good - I love the M-4 but it is really time for it to go. The one thing that bugs be about the SCAR is the bolt release catch. With the M-4 is always annoyed me that I had to use my support hand to hit the catch after loading a fresh mag; the XM-8 really had this figured out IMO with the best mag-change system I have ever seen. It is manufactured to be corrosion resistant, and is capable of lube-less firing. Where have I heard that before ... Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Ledanek Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Some stats reported earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowFella Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Data I've been able to find, and can't find again online at the moment points at the following barrel lengths. Mk16: CQC: 9.96in, Carbine: 13.82in, Marksman: 18in Mk17: CQC: 9.96in, Carbine, 15.75in, Marksman: 20in Weight without mag ranges from 6.71 to 7.45pounds for the Mk16 and from 6.87 to 7.64 for the Mk17 And yes the ELGM is a sideloader...that slides straight forward just like the good old M203 and that you after extending fully can swing to the side if you need to load longer grenades. So the Grin boys animated it correctly Edit: found the link. SCAR DATA .pdf And also this to illustrate how the breach works on the ELGM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAbbi_74 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 If one looks closely while reloading the GL on an M8 in GRAW, one will notice it loads from the side. GREAT finds on the SCAR and IGLA, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 And yes the ELGM is a sideloader...that slides straight forward just like the good old M203 and that you after extending fully can swing to the side if you need to load longer grenades. So the Grin boys animated it correctly tongue.gif Oh! Cool! Very interesting .pdf also ... Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 If one looks closely while reloading the GL on an M8 in GRAW, one will notice it loads from the side. GREAT finds on the SCAR and IGLA, by the way. But that's the AG36, not something like the EGLM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 But that's the AG36, not something like the EGLM. Well they work a bit differently, but they are both side loading. The AG-36 / XM-320 is a true side loader in that the whole tube pivots to the side to load. The EGLM slides forward like the M-203 and then the tube can be pivoted to either side to load longer ammo. I haven't looked at the reload animation in GRAW yet to see how that is modeled, but the EGLM can be loaded just like an M-203 anyway if you have short enough ammo - like a standard 40mm HE round. Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistle Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 looks purty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 looks like an SLR on crack to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistle Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 well the appearance is similar to the FAL/ FNC family of weapons but everyhting ive read says they work differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 well the appearance is similar to the FAL/ FNC family of weapons but everyhting ive read says they work differently Externally they are very similar the AR-15 family of weapons. Internally, from what I understand, they use a much more conventional gas/pusher-rod/blowback design something similar to what HK did with the 416. Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA sear Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) I think this gun looks most like Robinson Armament's XCR. XCR-L QCQ Please link to large pictures. Edited September 12, 2006 by WhiteKnight77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Nice, the front grip of the weapon really looks quite a bit like the SCAR indeed. The bolt catch is different though, more like that on the XM-8 which I like very much ... wish the SCAR did that. Clark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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