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London-born Richard Reid has been sentenced in the United States after admitting trying to blow up a commercial flight using bombs hidden in his shoes.

I found this to day too polital for posting but thought you might like it.

Colin

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and

tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?

Did you know he was sentenced?

Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?

Didn't think so.

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had

anything to say.

His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record,

Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to

the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I will not apologize for

my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:

"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes

upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the

custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7,

the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence

on each count to run consecutive with the other.

That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court se ntences you to the

mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court

imposes upon you each of the eig! ht counts a fine of $250,000 for the

aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's

recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the

amount of $29817 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The

Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply

because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life

sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided

for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous

sentence.

Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of

your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been

through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say

that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal

with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.

As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a

soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to

call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the

officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you

think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist . And we

do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do

not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and

bring them to justice! .

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow.

But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've know warriors. You

are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple

attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it

right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you

wondered where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're

no big deal."

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States

attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how

tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it

that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you

to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led

you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I

have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this

entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious.

You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to

live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe

as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries

freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because

we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful

courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is

administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's

sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have

filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other

judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way

we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no

mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any

price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it

well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day

after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American

people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not

war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the

United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and

lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of

citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to

mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of

America That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That

flag stands for freedom. And it alway s will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?

We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject Pass

this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had

to say.

Powerful words that strike home.

I found this on Fort Chaos today by =FC=thebully

Very nice peice

Colin

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yeah very nice indeed,

I remember this well, mainly cos this guy had the living ###### kicked out of him. I think he is lucky they didnt chuck him out the side of the plane. Photos in the paper showd a guy that looked like he had been in a washiung machine full of bricks.

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  • 3 weeks later...

I don't know, it doesn't seem real that a speech like that could come forth from an every-day person. I don't find it cheesy, maybe immature people do. If the Judge actually did say that and it was a real encounter, then it was truly amazing.

Unfortunately, I would have worded it differently, attacking the true core of Islam and how devastatingly wrong the radicals are. They consider us infidels, although in the past civilizations, and even in the Quran itself, it was reported that Christians, Jews, and Muslims are closely interrelated, the Quran tells of a time where all three would worship in the same temple, and they are all 'People of the Book'. Hell, the Quran is practically the same as the Old Testament, relating to the myths of Noah, Moses, Adam, Joseph, and so on and Allah is the mirror image of God. In fact, Allah in Arabic translates perfectly to 'the God'.

Now, to bring my rant to the 'jihad' or 'holy war'... This word has been the powerhouse of practically every conflict in the Middle East, but the Quran never even meant that the 'jihad' be a physical war. The Quran related to the war within oneself and internal conflicts that must be overcome in order to become closer to Allah. The internal conflict is foremost in it's meaning, and has been thrown around too damn freely over the past 1600 or so years that it doesn't even relate to what was, fundamentally, Islam.

I am speaking as a neutral party in all of this, the true infidel of religions such as Christianity and Islam, an Atheist, so I am one who is not implanted with a bias against neighboring religions from birth.

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he is a judge, in a trial. His job isnt to save the world.

"Guilty" Would have sufficed. Everyone wants to be some kind of physical or moral hero in this age, there just no need.

Like I said: Chuck Norris, or even Steven Segal.

I'm not exactly sure if I've been called immature, but if I have I don't really appreciate it. :whistle:

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lol at gambit, yes i think he did call u immature...

Anyway, im not gonna coment about the Islam issue as this thread will get locked faster than that terrorists jail cell...

This is a judge who even though could have simply stated "GUILTY," he didnt...

Maybe what u guys are missing is that he is going to be in prison a very VERY long time and maybe the judges words will make him think about what he has done and maybe figure out the reason why he did it. Hell maybe he'll become a matyr of conversion from terrorist to reformed, imprisoned citizen :thumbsup:

Im sure that many of these "terrorists" are simple folk who are so used to their way of living and thinking that they do not realize the full potential of freedom and equality... im sure your "average Joe" terrorist recruit has no idea why he wants to attack the US but the leaders are in the know...

They may fear the free movement inevitably coming their way and they are afraid of losing their power and their hold on the minds and mouths of the general public... They TRAIN these men to hate us and fear freedom because if anyone came here from a Male-driven, poor, money and power hungry group of extremists im sure that without hate training they would love it here... it would be a completely new experience and may take a bit of adjusting but im sure they would friendly up to the idea...

Hopefully this judge will be the one to sentence more people like this because he really lets them know the way we think "You are no big deal" They may cause dissaray for a little while but this will inevitably make us MUCH stronger: as yesterday was 9-11 we look back and still feel the pain but we also rejuvinate the want to fight the terrorism to make tomorow better for our children...

As for Mr. Reid, I sincerely hope he thinks hard about what he has done and maybe he too will see that even though he is in jail for life he is alive and still able to change his ways because of our country's (canada and the US) use of freedom.

I say this not because im happy that he is still alive but the thought always comes to my mind that people who change can create change in others and maybe Mr. Reai will be an example to other extremists who want to attack us again and perhaps they will change their minds about how "terrible" we "infidels" truely are!

Well hopefully6 i do dont get flamed for this... they are just my thoughts on the subject and no i am not biased to either religious side as i am not in form of mono-theistic religion (1 god: Christian, Jewish, Islamic) i am an outsider looking in on this 1...

El Pantera :ph34r:

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