real life question

[_OtAcoN_ 0]

ok i am wondering if aimpoints or acogs are better than the other..

[Parabellum 12]

They're two completely different optics. An Aimpoint, or M68, is a zero-magnification red-dot optic. It's very good for short-range engagements. An ACOG is a magnified optic, available in 3.5x, 4x, and other magnifications as well. I don't think you can really compare the two. I've personally never used an ACOG, but I've used an Aimpoint, and I've also used a Trijicon Reflex. I prefer the Reflex.

[Whisper_44 0]

To ad to what Para said - Aimpoint is now offering a 3x attachment for the M68 though it's not available to the public at this time.

[Sup 0]

I think he's trying to ask if Aimpoint and Acog are better than other manufacturers sights.

Anyway, this should have been posted in real world millitary. You should ask a mod to move it, Otacon.

[pz3 338]

The diffrence is

one is a sight, the other is a scope,

prefferibly id use a Acog TA01NS.

[_OtAcoN_ 0]

bah yes i know where it should have gone but i was here when i thought of the question and i am a lazy 56ker and i just didnt feel like clicking the little thingy..

and what i am wondering what senarios would the acog and aimpoint be better than the other.

[Sup 0]

ACOG = CQB.

AIMPOINT = When you need a scope.

[jay316 0]

sup i think you got it backwards, the aimpoint has no magnification so aimpoint = cqb, where as the acog has magnification so acog = when you need a scope

[Sup 0]

[pz3 338]

Aimpoint M2 sight Video

CLICKY

Think of it like this aimpoint is a reddot like mentioned in the video,

Keep both eyes open and focus on your target and most of the Sight becomes unoticable and the red dot is now floating about in your vision..... Where you point it shoots to. There is no magnification. Runs off batteries. Adjustible brightness

It is an Excellent sight.

ACOG TA01 (or TA01NS) is a scope and can be both eyes open but it involves a bit of technique of finding your target with your left eye then kind of switching focus to your right. Its tricky to learn but its good once you do. It has about 3.5x to 4x magnification.

Acogs reticule will glow at night or low light areas, other then that some of the newer acogs have fiber optics feed into the sight so you can have a nice lighted dot or arrow, there are a couple of diffrent reticules availible.

TA31 is pictured, The fiber optic is the red part.

Another type of Acog the Reflex 2

This is most similare to the Aimpoint, It is another sight, no magnification.

It has a fiber optic line going acorss the face of the sight to gather light and illuminate the reticule, wich usually a red or yellow dot, or a red or yellow Arrow,

Works the same as the aimpoint point and shoot. But this one runs off of no batteries.

Edited January 4, 2005 by Prozac360

[pz3 338]

oh and the Eotech Model 550 AA

Runs off batteries, Has a holographic reticule that works primarily the same bothe eyes open paints the reticule in your vision, point shoot.

[GothicSnake 0]

To anyone who might have happened to use all three, which sight do you prefer? The Aimpoint, the ACOG reflex, or the Eotech Holo? I haven't heard much about the latter 2, especially the Eotech. I've only seen the Eotech with SOF and I've only seen the ACOG Reflex in combat with the PJ's...

[Cpl Ledanek 247]

oh and the Eotech  Model 550 AA

Runs off batteries, Has a holographic reticule  that works primarily the same  bothe eyes open paints the reticule in your vision, point shoot.

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In real life:

I never used this, but if there is batteries involved, I don't know. It's like having a potential of running out of ammo, battery will drain eventually. I know, don't install the battery until ready go into action. Just my 2 cents. Don't flame me.

In GR game

Going by DVS1 reticule mod, I find the reflex better. Like someone said, its unobstructive view. Again, my 2 cents. Don't flame me

Good luck _OtAcoN_ can't wait to see your end project.

[EricJ 0]

The NG unit that's here has a plethora of EoTechs. My gunner uses one on his 240. But I stick with the Aimpoint, just due to the fact of owning one now, and previously. The main things between the major sights is really batteries. The Aimpoint Comp M2 I use has great battery life, I've been using it constantly for nearly four months, and still using the same battery. The Trijicon Reflex is good too, since it doesn't need batteries, but make sure you use the filter when using a taclight at close range, as the light blocks out the triangle. But the filter is a little problematic, as repeated firing will shake it off.

But the ACOG scope can be used for CQB work, it's a little hard to get used to (I had no choice since my weapon decided to keep some brass shards in the chamber, don't know how it happened, but I had to borrow the OIC's M4 mit ACOG) since you have to deal with the magnification, but if anything, put the triangle on the target, and pull. As far as the both eyes, thing, it takes some getting used to, and of course constant use will make it easier, though try not to focus too much, or you have to pull your eyes away due to slight strain. But then again, you have to re-adjust for one-eye shooting. Matter of fact, my qual I did mostly both eyed, it's hard to break the two eyed habit, but then again out here, it's a good one...

[pz3 338]

i would have to agree the aimpoint for close quarters is a must,

TA01NS for anything else.

[EricJ 0]

Oh yeah, I think another thing, is that cost also determines the type of optics that are purchased. So sometimes while Trijicon, Aimpoint, Leopold, and the other brand names may look good, it also comes at obviously a high price.

[de_nome_lanicon 0]

I used the EoTech, the Aimpoint and the ACOG.

EoTech it's the best 4 cqb... fast and accurate, both eyes openend and focused on target.

Aimpoint it's the best for cqb to mid-range engagement, it's easier to use than the eotech when target step 50 meters away because, looking into the tube, you focus better on what you're aiming to.

It's great also for cqb but you've to search for the dot sometime... took some practice.

ACOG it's for mid to long distances.

Using the ACOG for cqb it's really difficult because you've to be right behind the reticule to aim properly.

Another thing to say is that "as they are" EoTech is the only one that doesn't reflect sun... Aimpoint and ACOG are easy to spot against the sun if you don't use an ARD (Anti Reflective Device - i.e. a reticular cover for the lens).

With night vision equipment the EoTech is amazing. You press "NV" on the device and the reticule becomes really bright.

With Aimpoint it's sometimes difficult to find the tiny red dot with NV engaged.

Acog works good with nv equipment although it takes some practice to look IN it.

PS EoTech costs 350$, Aimpoint 300$, Trijicon over 900$

Edited January 8, 2005 by de_nome_lanicon

[EricJ 0]

Well, my CompM2 cost me $385, so if you're looking to buy, check with dealers beforehand, and realize there are several different models to choose from, like the Comp ML, and so on.

But as far as the Aimpoint is concerned, the real trick is keeping the dot steady sometimes. While scanning you have to hold the dot steady (mit weapon of course) and at the point you want it at. I usually try to keep it just above the front sight post, somewhat in the middle of the scope. Any higher and I don't feel that I can take the shot.

[Devil Dog 0]

Lets leave this to be answered by military people only so we dont have anyone being raped like poor foxtrot

[pz3 338]

good pic of an eotech i found, looking threw it

now because a camera doesnt have perprial vision, just imagine not beeing able to see the black part of the sight and a little further out to the left and right of the image..... thats what you would see

Edited January 26, 2005 by Prozac360

[EricJ 0]

Hehe, my gunner has tried to get the crosshairs to show in his photos, and lookie there..

[EricJ 0]

I managed to mess with an EOTech on an M249 SAW, and for the SAW, I would prefer the EOTech. The reasoning is that the EOTech reticule is lot more stable (doesn't move as much) when you move your eyes, but I was tearing up ammo boxes, on near full auto. I got a short clip of me using it, but unfortunately, not the targets, forgot to tell the cameraman to look downrange, but it was definitely Sierra Hotel.