Collector*AFZ* 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Allright guys, I am coming to the GR community for some much needed insight and advice. My team has been playing on the Team IRA server for much of the last year or so, and in doing so thought that we had gotten to know the members of IRA fairly well. The clan leader for IRA, Stealthpanther, owns the server and runs the show. The other night he accused one of our team (who was briefly a member of IRA) of cheating for allegedly using both names and retlock. Without further discussion he banned my team mate. This guy has been on the GR scene for over three years and was originally with a very repected team here in the GR community, leaving them only when they quit playing GR to move on to other games. He is a respected player, based on both his personality and his playing ability. Here is where the situation gets tricky. After my team mate tried to talk to Stealthy about the accusation and got no where, I went on to their server and talked to the guy. Politely I explained to him that in the GR community such accusations weren't ususally made so hastily and that we would like to see the replays. If one of ours was cheating we wanted to not only know about it, but wanted the proof. His response was that it wasn't a ladder match, so there were no replays and that he had all the proof he needed. Further, he said the banning wasn't up for discussion, that we needed to ask the team mate how he was cheating. This got my dander up to say the least. Now, to put this in perspective, what had apparently happened is that over the course of three or four maps, my guy had waxed him several times, so obviously he must be cheating. Having researched some other team forums, Roco (AFZ Clan Leader) found that there have been a number of respected, better-than-average players that have been banned from their server accused of cheating. In fact, whole teams have been banned for coming into their server and beating them. Apparently, they feel that if someone comes into their server and is able to beat them that they must be cheating. This is the same excuse they use for not matching, that the ladders are full of cheaters. Don't get me wrong, most of the guys we have met in IRA age pretty straight up guys, but we would like to be able to put a caveat out there that if you get involved with them to be careful as your reputation may get questioned. The team member is question is a great player and has been nothing but an outstanding addition to our team since joining. We don't think it's fair that IRA be able to make accusations in an open server where other members of our community can see it, but not be willing to stand up and provide the proof of their accusations. Any input, or advice, or even comments, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Collector*AFZ* P.S. @Moderators and Staff Members: The topic and tone of this post was discussed in advance with Rocky and approval given to post subject matter. Link to post Share on other sites
Ruin 17 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 If it were me... I'd ask for proof. Tell them that this issue needs to be resolved and that he needs to produce hard solid proof. If he's unable to do so, tell him you'll pull any affilliation you have, and you'll stop playing there. Again, ask for proof. If he still wont produce any proof. Pull away, remove any connections and go public. That's what I would do. It may not be the best solution, but I would try it. I'm not the world's greatest politician, so maybe some toher saavy forum members can help you out, but every bit of advice helps. Sorry this had to happen to you man; it's ironic, I've been dealing with a similar event only with RVS. I just made a huge long rant over at AGR-S.com, lol. It sucks, but you can over come it. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites
Collector*AFZ* 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 Thanks for the input Ruin, you and I think a lot alike. This is my version of "going public" until I get a feel for how the bulk of the GR community feels about the situation. There never was really any affiliation, they just had a busy server that we enjoyed playing on, and like I said, for the most part they were decent guys. I guess I will see what the rest of the responses here sound like and pass on any advice to Roco. They will never give replays because they don't have them. Collector*AFZ* Link to post Share on other sites
Ruin 17 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 What they're doing is wrong. If they really are banning with no proof, and out of jealousy, the community has a right to know. There are plenty of other decent GR servers... gosh, it's been sooo long sicne I've played I can't think of any off hand. And if I do, they're probably all gone by now, lol. Anyway... By going public, I mean some kind of forum post you can make to plea your case. As long as you try to solve it with them before hand, and document everything you should be safe. Again, if it were me, I'd do "Three strikes, and I'm public." Try to get proof. If that fails, warn of going public. Ask for your man to be unbanned, and if that fails, write a nice eloquent post backed by any e-mails, MSN convos etc to help your side. It sounds terrible, and dirty, but IMO it will get the message across. I'm sure someone will walk in and tell me that this is NO way to handle it, but oh well. That's what I would do. I know there are other routes, but this is me. Link to post Share on other sites
Sup 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Also, do they play in a ladder? If so, report 'em to it. Link to post Share on other sites
Collector*AFZ* 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 No they don't play on any ladders, they say that the ladders are full of cheaters. I think Roco is going to try and handle it diplomatically, but I don't think that its going to work. The guy is on a power trip because he owns the server and pretty much can do what he wants. If you don't want to deal with it, don't come around. It's really a shame because they have a great server to play on, and some great guys playing over there, both IRA and non IRA. What really ###### me off, is that AFZ is known, at least to those who know us, for being straight up, no cheating, no excuses. You whip our ##### and we say good game, and plenty of teams/clans out there respect us for that. Now to have some guy to call one of us on the carpet and not be willing to prove it is a bunch of crap. C Link to post Share on other sites
NYR_32 6 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 If they have no replays or refuse to offer them as evidence, in my book they have no right to call someone a cheater. Personally if I was in the situtation, I would never go back to one of their servers, be it GR1, GR2 etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Sup 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I've got it! Ask Snake for help, he'll fix it! He's h4xx0rz. Link to post Share on other sites
Collector*AFZ* 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 Please, I wouldn't want to waste the time of someone as special as Snake with something as trivial as this...lol!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Sup 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Fine. Sam fisher in a mech will have to do, then. Link to post Share on other sites
NightCrawler 137 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 If they have no replays or refuse to offer them as evidence, in my book they have no right to call someone a cheater. Personally if I was in the situtation, I would never go back to one of their servers, be it GR1, GR2 etc etc. ← I would react the same as NY in this case Collector. Link to post Share on other sites
GR_Modder 0 Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 You see, IRA doesn't have anyone in the community, it seems. I never see them on forums, I never see them mentioned on websites. It seems like the only way to find the guy's server is by Word of mouth or ASE. Meaning, it's hard to get in contact with him. Collector is right, this guy (pnthr) is on a power trip. He didn't even see it from our team mate's point of view, he was on the other team. He didn't even watch a replay, he just banned on the spot. If this doesn't work, I've already suggested to our clan not to step into their server anymore. I already gave up going there for other reasons before this, too. Link to post Share on other sites
sin 0 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 well life is short to even deal with those people at IRA. you cant really deal with stlth he's just way to hardheaded and acts like a little child, they cant take a lost like a man, why play the game then. they pretty much got ride of all the good players that woop there butts on a daily bases. i am so happy that good friends had opened my eyes and i left IRA. this bad rep. would be following me everywhere. made a very bad chocie on joining that clan, should have done my research before joining them. what can ya do, ya live and ya learn. no biggie wont be playing there anymore.... Link to post Share on other sites
CAPPEELA 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 well sorry man of course I read the rules prior to posting but, there was an exeption raised! Team ira are the elites of ghost recon and if stealth said someone was cheating 99.9% they were. I am also just as good or better than the ira players, I have gone to there server many times and punked them with scores of 25 kills and no deaths. so all this crap talk about they ban everyone who beats them. Unacceptable!! and the talk about getting some lamer hacker even worse. go ahead attack there server with a udp flood or what ever method you choose i will be waiting. Link to post Share on other sites
Sup 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 We didn't need this bumped. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteKnight77 1 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 well sorry man of course I read the rules prior to posting but, there was an exeption raised! Team ira are the elites of ghost recon and if stealth said someone was cheating 99.9% they were. I am also just as good or better than the ira players, I have gone to there server many times and punked them with scores of 25 kills and no deaths. so all this crap talk about they ban everyone who beats them. Unacceptable!! and the talk about getting some lamer hacker even worse. go ahead attack there server with a udp flood or what ever method you choose i will be waiting. ← As was stated earlier, if IRA can't or will not provide replays of cheaters, then they should not be arbitrarily banning people just for getting beat by better people. Now, this thread is locked, no need to keep bringing up stuff that was hashed out ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites
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