jmcdonald Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I just saw on the news a picture of 2 Iraqi troops patrolling an area with SA80s?! Is this the standard weapon or something? Or maybe Iraqi SF guys? I thought the standard was Ak47 w/attached gl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowFella Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 As far as I know there is only one country on this earth that uses the L85A2 (SA80) and that's the UK. Seriously doubt that it was Iraqi troops shown due to that. And I'd say the standard Iraqi weapon would be the normal AK47..without the GL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcdonald Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 True. The Iraqis shown on the news distinctly had SA80s. I thought that was weird when they appeared as regulars (common soldiers) in the Iraqi Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arms Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Never heard of the Iraqi military would be issued with such weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) Maybe they ran out of Kalashnikovs? (stupidest reasoning ever btw ) Possible Iraqi SF? I remember seeing pics of Iraqi SF somewhere with M4's. Well supposed SF, it was a picture from the AP so you can never be too sure about anyone being who there said to be. Edited December 16, 2004 by Zantar45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arms Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) M4s are actually used by many countries military SF or civilian SF. Edited December 16, 2004 by Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDude Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Maybe it was a British advisor serving with an Iraqi unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowpilot Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Maybe it was a British advisor serving with an Iraqi unit. ← Where did the pic come from? If i could see the image in question, I might be able to help a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly2442 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I think most of the weapons provided when training are provided by the U.S. Might be wrong though. I saw a picture with an Iraqi training with a mock up of an M16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcdonald Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 I'll try to find the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arms Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Here's something you should'nt do: http://images.military.com/Shock/0,,SA_Ira..._102604,00.html (Make sure you register before viewing this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Here's something you should'nt do: http://images.military.com/Shock/0,,SA_Ira..._102604,00.html (Make sure you register before viewing this) ← Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooK Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 They might have been "loaners". Also, don't be surprised if you see random firearms being used. Seems a lot of abandoned arms ranging from old Russian stuff to FALs is being found and redistributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowFella Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 true...but SA80's???? There's only one country on this earth that uses that perticular weapon and I seriously doubt any of them would be found and redistributed to iraqi troops. Wish someone would find the pic of it so we fully can find out what is afoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Speaking of SA80's, didn't Hong Kong have them for awhile? Coulda swore I read that somewhere... ...bah! Probably just thinking of a Jackie Chan movie or something. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 true...but SA80's???? There's only one country on this earth that uses that perticular weapon and I seriously doubt any of them would be found and redistributed to iraqi troops. Wish someone would find the pic of it so we fully can find out what is afoot. ← I'd have to agree, let's see the beef first before we eat the hamburger no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSaKi Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 It was probably a just picture of a British advisor training or operating with the New Iraqi Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chems Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I doubt very strongly it was either an Iraq Secruit Forces Patrol, or that it was an SA80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 25, 2004 Share Posted December 25, 2004 I know a police advisor says that the Iraqi Police SWAT teams got MP5s, and that's confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 I just saw on the news a picture of 2 Iraqi troops patrolling an area with SA80s?! Is this the standard weapon or something? Or maybe Iraqi SF guys? I thought the standard was Ak47 w/attached gl. ← Only the UK uses the SA80 and it was a big mistake because they were better off with the L1A1 semi-auto rifle. Just like the US was better off with the M-14 rather than the M-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSaKi Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Just like the US was better off with the M-14 rather than the M-16. So... if the M14 is so much better then why is the M16/M4 family of weapons so popular with so many western special operations groups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 (edited) Just like the US was better off with the M-14 rather than the M-16. So... if the M14 is so much better then why is the M16/M4 family of weapons so popular with so many western special operations groups? ← because its cheap,easy to maintain,and its light weight. Plus the post vietnam age has seen a falling out of 7.62mm weapons and 45 cal. pistols (except the AK-47) with the rising of the 5.56mm weapons and 9mm pistols. Now the 45 cal. has been seen rising from the ashes thanks to terrorism and counter-terrorism. Oh and its takes more than 3 rounds to drop a bad guy with 5.56mm and the M-16 and M4 only operates well in area thats not swampy,an area thats not a desert,or an area thats not freezing cold. So most countries are mislead that just because the all-mighty US special forces units use it that means its the best weapon you can buy. Edited December 28, 2004 by Foxtrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hey Foxtrot, when you have something important to say, say it with background experience. I regularly go out with my M4, and I regularly maintain it, and despite getting sand from a sandstorm from training in Kuwait, the weapon operates reliably, and I've been in about six ambushes, and it's never failed. So uh, just read, rather than type, because really, you don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSaKi Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Plus the post vietnam age has seen a falling out of 7.62mm weapons and 45 cal. pistols (except the AK-47) And for the record, the 7.62mm X 39mm round the AK47 fires is different then the 7.62mm X 51mm NATO cartridge used in the M14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 (edited) Hey Foxtrot, when you have something important to say, say it with background experience. I regularly go out with my M4, and I regularly maintain it, and despite getting sand from a sandstorm from training in Kuwait, the weapon operates reliably, and I've been in about six ambushes, and it's never failed. So uh, just read, rather than type, because really, you don't know what you're talking about. ← Yea whatever flamer To FuSaKi: I know but thanx for the heads up Edited December 28, 2004 by Foxtrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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