snowpilot Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I agree with you militiaman the navy seals get more publicity marines,d-boys,rangers,and all the other sf are just as good. the sas is also too highly thought of. ← I'd be careful with my assumptions, if I were you. The only reason the Seals get so much publicity is because so little is known about them. Every documentary about them always follows the same pattern: they operate from the water, have the most rigorous training, things like that. Other spec ops groups like Force Recon, Green Berets, Rangers, SAS, all participate in regular force actions, though in specialized roles. Seals and Delta do not, so the other groups are more understood. You can blame it all on the Media, because they have a fetish about printing a story where there isn't one. Seal ops are almost exclusively BLACK and are seldom declassified, so no one really knows what they're up to. And SEAL training is quite possibly the hardest around. It has to be. Marine Force Recon, Rangers, SAS, even Delta, operate in larger teams than Seals do. And the built-in redundancy comes from a need to operate anywhere, in any conditions, with around 7 or 8 men to a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobikop Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Yeah I agree BUDS may be one of the hardest military training/screening programs. I was reading an article by a force recon guy. And he said that after completing basic recon course and amphibious school, he attended various shools such as ranger school, jungle enviornment survival training, Special Forces Advanced Reconinasance and Target Exploitation, SERE, and BUDS. He said BUDS was unquistionably the hardest thing hes been through not simply cuz of hell week or being cold and tired, but because of the instructor harassment he recieved in the pool for hours with them pulling off his mask fins and such and he wasnt allowed to surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 (edited) A Marine going through BUD/S......highly doubtfull,there are NO Marines in the Teams,a Marine who wants to go through BUD/S has to enlist in the Navy as far as I was aware,as I don't think BUD/S is open to other branches of service......it doesn't make sense,I have some SEAL buddies over in SOCNET who might be able to throw some light over this claim! OK I done a little search on SOCNET about this claim.......it's bogus right enough read this small link! http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread...through+BUD%2FS Edited December 18, 2004 by Argyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobikop Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 (edited) Im not saying this is some marine guy who all the sudden became a seal or decided hey i wanna go to BUDS. This was a force recon guy who attended BUDS for the information in it and training, he didnt become a SEAL because of it. SEALS do attend various schools too mostly in their Prodev phase. Much in the same way people from several branches and even other countries go to ranger school for the training. When they complete ranger school (unless theyre an enlisted man or officer in the army) they do not receive a ranger tab. People from other branches and other countries have been through BUDS but have not become SEALS even if they completed it although this is rare is probably done by a case by case basis. A few years ago an Army special Forces guy went through BUDS and spent some time participating and observing in a SEAL team for some sort of critique, and he came out of it saying that the SEAL teams needed better intelligence support. Also a service man from I believe Tiawan or some country around the pacific completed BUDs. Yet these people never became SEALS. Anyways yeah im pretty much just saying that because these people go through BUDS doesnt mean they become a SEAL. For example in the 1960s SEAL TEAM 2 went to a marine school to learn how to perform immediate action drills but adjusted them to fit small operating units such as SEALS, yet they didnt become marines, you can read about this from Gormlys book "Combat Swimmer: Memoirs of a Navy SEAL." it also has some pretty good information on the Marcinko Legacy and SEAL actions in Vietnam Edited December 18, 2004 by Sobikop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 (edited) Did you even read the link? Unless the Force Recon guy left the Marines and enlisted in the NAVY it didn't happen,the info on the link is coming from SEAL's and former SEAL's,if they state you cannot go through BUD/S as a Marine,or Army,then it doesn't happen. If you're going to post info ......it's best you provide links to the related articles.? http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread...Ls&pagenumber=1 Edited December 18, 2004 by Argyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobikop Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I know what your trying to say. People from other branches cant become a SEAL unless they are enlisted or an officer in the navy, nor can people from other branches go through SEAL training. However, there are people like i have said who have gone through SEAL training from other branches yet arent SEALS or Navy personell. You should know about this Army Special Forces Chief Warrant Officer who went through SEAL training since there is a link about it on SOCNET-army sf chief warrant officer And heres the link of the Force Recon Guy going through BUDSForce Recon PT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Some more info,there are however Foreign SOF units who are invited and do go through BUD/S,most come from Maritime Ops and earn the right to wear the "Trident". The Trident used to be issued after BUD/S,and the continuation training"STT",but now it's after BUD/S,thus giving those who passed, the right to wear the insignia,most(Foreigners) choose not to,the wearing of the "Trident" does not make you a SEAL,it's only after you've completed STT and assigned to a team you become a SEAL,from what I've been told,they've done away with the probation period......more to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Sobikop, First off,the Army bloke cross trained with the SEAL's,nowhere does it state he went through BUD/S,this is quite common amongst SOF units,not just in the States,but Globally. As for the Marine Force guy,he also didn't state he went through BUD/S he does mention it about the course being there,personaly I think he added that to the article to add the "WoW" factor......what he said was he went through UDTR as part of his training,UDTR is after BUD/S and is like Ranger school,as a Force Recon Marine he did not Go through BUD/S.....BUD/S is the selection process to weed out the wheat from the Chaff......and is solely for US NAVY personnel(Foreigners can and do go through),my source stated that the Force Recon guy probably did the dive course run by SEAL's,and that is open to ALL ARM's including AF and Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 yeah navy seals = commandos, special forces, badass mofos etc etc ← Marine Force Recon is more bad ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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