WhiteKnight77 Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Teen Faces 30 Years for Race Deaths Reported By: The Associated Press Last Modified: 7/17/2004 7:40:08 PM LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- An appeals court has upheld a decision to allow a 17-year-old girl accused of killing two people while drag racing in her parents' BMW to be tried as an adult. Read the full article here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 dam straight. we got street racing problems here, just last week a bloke killed his 2 passengers while doing 160kph, straight into a tree. Havnt found the other car yet, probably never will. If your gunna drive like a tool, fine, but : 1. not near anyone else. 2. With no one else in the car. If she thinks, at 16, she can drive like the pros, then she should be tried lthe same way, as an adult, with a record that doesnt just dissapear. She's ruined 2 other families lives, she has to pay for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaneflyingmonkey Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 MY drivers ed teacher says, "Go to those amateur race tracks if you got a need for speed. You can usually pay the guy an hourly fee and he'll let you and your friends rip around on the track when there aren't any events on." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtheHammer Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I want to say that I remember when that happened. Not too far from where I live (I actually live in Lawrenceville). I don't like people like that because they cause trouble for the good teenage drivers like me (I've been driving for a couple of years, and have never had an accident or been pulled over). C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 I think she should get the full 30 years (won't happen) to show other kids that street racing is dangerous and there are consequenses to it and the parents should both be fined and jailed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XavierOnasis Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I remember when you originally posted that story. Good to hear the followup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blistr Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 (edited) I think she should get the full 30 years (won't happen) to show other kids that street racing is dangerous and there are consequenses to it and the parents should both be fined and jailed too. It seems a bit harsh to both fine and jail the parents based on the information provided, as the article doesn't clearly indicate whether or not they had direct knowledge of their daughter using the vehicle. If you could potentially be fined for having a vehicle with balding tyres and worn brake pads, that as far as you are concerned is sitting in your garage/drive-way, then that is the day I'll have my drivers license cancelled... As far as the girl being tried as an adult, I agree 100%. Too many young adults are let off for crimes that if they were a couple of years older they would be tried as an adult. If they were tried as an adult, perhaps there wouldn't be as many incidents such as this. Edited July 19, 2004 by blistr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 The parents had been told of their daughters wrecklessness by neighbors and did nothing. The allowed her to drive the car knowing that it was unsafe, yet did nothing to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 lol this is funny well if i was president i would make OFFICAL STREET RACER DRAG RACING thats the only racing i would probaly watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaneflyingmonkey Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 lol this is funny well if i was president i would make OFFICAL STREET RACER DRAG RACING thats the only racing i would probaly watch 2 questions snake: 1.Can u drive? 2. How is this funny? Think about it, 2 kids are dead, 1 is going to jail and 3 families lives are ruined. Real laugh a minute stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blistr Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 (edited) The parents had been told of their daughters wrecklessness by neighbors and did nothing. The allowed her to drive the car knowing that it was unsafe, yet did nothing to fix it. I've tried to find other articles on this, but could only find an article from a school newspaper about the incident. This article was more concerned with her being tried as an adult and really didn't answer any of my questions. The fact that the parents are being charged is of concern to me. Australian law differs somewhat from US law, but the fact remains in Australia it is the drivers responsibility to ensure the vehicle they are driving is road-worthy and that their actions whilst driving are lawful, not the vehicles owner. I imagine it would be similar in the US, however it would appear not to be... To put it in another perspective: I ask you if I may borrow your tandem trailer, as I need to move a Thunderbird and it won't fit in my trailer. You say sure, but be careful as the brake lights don't work while indicating a turn, something to do with the wiring but you haven't had the chance to fix it yet. There I am towing my Thunderbird, a mate driving behind me to let me know if something goes wrong. I indicate to turn and begin to slow, he doesn't see the brake lights and hits the trailer, causing some damage to the front of his car and your trailer. The damage isn't of great concern as it is covered by insurance, but who is responsible? According to Victorian law (Australia), my mate would be responsible unless it was proven that I had caused the accident. Since I knew the brake lights were faulty when indicating a turn, technically I would be at fault. But you own the trailer and knew of the problem, yet allowed me to use your trailer. Should that make you responsible for actions I made? Edited July 20, 2004 by blistr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 According to Australian law, my mate would be responsible unless it was proven that I had caused the accident. Since I knew the brake lights were faulty when indicating a turn, technically I would be at fault. But you own the trailer and knew of the problem, yet allowed me to use your trailer. Should that make you responsible for actions I made? In WA, all cars must have 3rd party insurance (if u hit someone, insurance pays for them) Was havina read of the clause the other day, and it said that if someone rear ends u, and u werent slowin down etc, you get about $3000 Be handy if u knew how to solder a switch into the curcuit, and had a acr worth less than $3000. But yeah, dont matter who owns the car here, if your drivin it, your in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blistr Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 According to Australian law, my mate would be responsible unless it was proven that I had caused the accident. Since I knew the brake lights were faulty when indicating a turn, technically I would be at fault. But you own the trailer and knew of the problem, yet allowed me to use your trailer. Should that make you responsible for actions I made? In WA, all cars must have 3rd party insurance (if u hit someone, insurance pays for them) Was havina read of the clause the other day, and it said that if someone rear ends u, and u werent slowin down etc, you get about $3000 Be handy if u knew how to solder a switch into the curcuit, and had a acr worth less than $3000. But yeah, dont matter who owns the car here, if your drivin it, your in charge. I meant Victorian law, Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blistr Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 In WA, all cars must have 3rd party insurance (if u hit someone, insurance pays for them) Who pays the excess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 lol this is funny well if i was president i would make OFFICAL STREET RACER DRAG RACING thats the only racing i would probaly watch 2 questions snake: 1.Can u drive? 2. How is this funny? Think about it, 2 kids are dead, 1 is going to jail and 3 families lives are ruined. Real laugh a minute stuff... Snake this is not funny like silentnight said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 (edited) kills 2? ######...30years... the thought of actually killing 2 people is bad enough. Hard to live with yourself if you are a normal person. If there is no remorse for the incident then fine 30 years is called for. I say 2 to 5 years it sucks all around but theres no reason to ruin another persons life. Accident happen even if it is careless driving. Realisticly i think every one should take their car to a empty parking lot or rent a track for a day and learn what their car can and cant do. Learn to meneuver it before they go driving it everyday and expescially think they can street race. The parents werent in the car were they? not their fault then. Its fun to race but even more fun when you know your car is properly equiped to and help is just on the other side of the track if u crash Edited July 20, 2004 by Prozac360 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 The fact that the parents are being charged is of concern to me. Australian law differs somewhat from US law, but the fact remains in Australia it is the drivers responsibility to ensure the vehicle they are driving is road-worthy and that their actions whilst driving are lawful, not the vehicles owner. I imagine it would be similar in the US, however it would appear not to be... I don't know about Oz, but many places here in the States hold parents accountable for their minor (under 18) childrens actions. Parents are even being sent to jail for their kids skipping school. One of the people the girl killed was a 61 YO grandmother. Prozac, see what I said about the fact that the parents knew of the cars need of repair and their daughters wrecklessness and yet did nothing about either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pz3 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 ok, they still werent in the car. either way shes 16 shes old enough to drive shes old enough to face the charges. Just the sentence should be lighter because she is technically not an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 In WA, all cars must have 3rd party insurance (if u hit someone, insurance pays for them) Who pays the excess? if u dont have private insurance, you pay something like (not 100% on this) $100 per annum. Its just a safety net for people who are good drivers, but idiots with no cover decide to hit em, then cant pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blistr Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I don't know about Oz, but many places here in the States hold parents accountable for their minor (under 18) childrens actions. Essentially what you are saying is that in the eyes of US law a person aged 16 years is mature enough to drive a vehicle yet not mature enough to comprehend their actions. I fail to see how this makes sense. Parents are even being sent to jail for their kids skipping school. Do you mean if the parents refuse to provide an eductaion deemed suitable by the Government they could be jailed? I can understand if parents refused to have their children educated they could be fined and/or jailed, but for merely skipping school, that is just ludicrous. kills 2? ######...30years... the thought of actually killing 2 people is bad enough. Hard to live with yourself if you are a normal person. If there is no remorse for the incident then fine 30 years is called for. I say 2 to 5 years it sucks all around but theres no reason to ruin another persons life. Accident happen even if it is careless driving. I believe that there is no such thing as an accident. All accidents are avoidable and can be traced to a persons actions, or lack of. I think she should get the full 30 years. Perhaps others will see her as an example and needless accidents such as this will not continue. After all, prevention is better than cure... if u dont have private insurance, you pay something like (not 100% on this) $100 per annum. Its just a safety net for people who are good drivers, but idiots with no cover decide to hit em, then cant pay. Sounds similar to Victoria's TAC insurance, only TAC insurance is payable by everybody (through vehicle registration) regardless of whether you have private insurance or not, and is only claimable against damages to yourself or another person, not the vehicles or assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschefan8 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) _____________ ____________ clicked reply but didn't have time to say something intelligent. Edited July 22, 2004 by porschefan8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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