Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I've been a little creative today with PaintShopPro 7 and messed about with the original GR1 view to try and show people, who are sceptical about a FPWV being added to GR2. Take a look at these examples and tell me which one you'd prefer after seeing them... http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4db0...0b5770000001610 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4db0...9344e0000001610 ...Which do you find most immersive, I myself would much prefer the FPWV but everyone to their own I know. For some reason I can't start a Poll like I was going to (what gives staff?). After looking at my finished result in PSP7, I thought to myself it doesn't at all detract from the GR playing experience...to me it adds to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 The weapon is still shown held at an angle and in a manner that would put the round way off target. You also block part of your screen (which is restrictive enough). If at a cliff edge (or building on the roof), you would hide the character (human or AI) that was shooting at you. I prefer to see all I can in such a restrictive view. As to starting a poll, only staff, admin consultants and supporters (fringe benefit) can start them. If you wish to have a poll, ask any staff member if they would post it and provide the exact answers you wish to have for your specific question (or you may get some really weird answers that I have been known to put up ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostile Person Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Excellent picture. I wish GR had that. I personally like FPWV and it doesnt bother me at all. I play RvS with FPWV on and it doesnt effect my game and it gives a good feeling with very accurate weapon models. I dont see what is the problem adding FPW in GR2, if someone doesnt like it he can turn it off. OTSv doesnt bother me either and I propably will play singleplayer with it just for the feelings. Online most servers will propably force it to turn off if it gives advantages over first person view users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 (edited) LOL...okay Whiteknight77, thanks for the heads up but I can't see whats so offensive about FPWV, when a lot of people apart from myself prefer to see FPWV. If there's a want for it and if it's that '...much easier to do it in the PC version' (quote from Edwards interview) then make FPWV an option and keep everybody happy. I'm in the same playing field as you Hostile Person and a lot of other players besides. Edited May 29, 2004 by Cull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I will give you an example of the FPWV option. RvS has it and it is an option, yet when someone wants to play MP, they are forced to use is because the server has it set to force view. That does not give someone the "option" to use or not use the view. While I know I could spend all day searching for a non-forced server, why should I if it is an option? I should be able to determine if I use it or not, when forced, I can't. Having it even as an option would not make everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 The same goes for people who want FPWV, it's the same argument. I for one don't have any problems, along with Hostile person, when the FPWV comes to obscuring the view. I'm not saying it doesn't obscure a little but I don't find it effects my view all that much or effects my ability to play at a reasonable standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Please read the threads about becoming a clone just because all of the other games have it. I will say it again. GR is in a class by itself. By adding things found in hundreds of other games, GR will lose it's uniqueness when adding stuff like drivable vehicles, FPWV and the like. Do you really want to play a clone of those other games? What is so unique about a FPWV that to not include it in GR2 would be detrimental to gameplay? Remember now that I have been firing weapons for 30 years and had to qualify with the M16A1 when I was in the Marines. I know what is actually seen when shooting. I also point to my last post about having it as an option and why it would not be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 (edited) Okay Whiteknight77 I accept everything you are saying but the buck doesn't stop here, it's a big money basket out there and to get more bucks they have to come up with the goods. Times are a changing and everybody can see where FPS are going and IMHO it isn't the old and tired GR1 floating reticule view which isn't at all realistic but an ironsight would be a very welcome addition without the partial zoom feature, unless you have scope. Edited May 29, 2004 by Cull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 If games go the route of FPWV, then make it iron sights full time and not some cheesy rambo view. BTW I haven't tired of the "floating recitule" from the R6 days. It is one reason why I have liked these games more than any other game I have either played or tried with the demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa FSB Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 FPWV all the way with or without ironsights. But like i have said many times before OPTIONS are the best solution if i like something ON or OFF in the options menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 (edited) Okay...well thats fine for you Whiteknight77 and the many thousands that still enjoy the original FPV, I'm not saying to abolish it but make FPV, FPWV, OTS view an option so the fans of the game can choose, whats wrong with a little choice in the world? but there are a lot of other people, including myself, that just play the game for the atmosphere, not for the floating unrealistic reticule view (IMO). BTW Whiteknight77...could you turn this into a poll? it would be much appreciated. Edited May 29, 2004 by Cull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyro_Monty Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Yeah, I can't put my finger on it exactly, but there's something about the old floating reticle that makes me feel more at home. If this was a poll, I'd vote "original FPV". Sorry I can't really elaborate on my reasons... like you say, it's just personal preference. Good mock-up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 (edited) Thanks Pyro_Monty...my friend is in the same opinion as yourself and Whiteknight77 but even he didn't like the new OTS view but it has to be left in if some people want it...I'm all for choice...lol. Edited May 29, 2004 by Cull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Poll added with a 3rd option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 Thanks Whiteknight77, much appreciated...thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostile Person Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 (edited) I dont think the reticule made GR special. I would've prefered weapon view just for the atmosphere. Gun or not it doesnt change GR in my eyes. Options are always good. And for servers forcing FPWV wont be a problem since the majority wants to get kills and the gun "distracts" them so they dont want to play with it. Since I propably wont ever be able to shoot foreign weapons why wouldnt u want to give me the chance to get the "feeling" trough a game? Edited May 29, 2004 by Hostile Person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRP 56 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Please read the threads about becoming a clone just because all of the other games have it. I will say it again. GR is in a class by itself. By adding things found in hundreds of other games, GR will lose it's uniqueness when adding stuff like drivable vehicles, FPWV and the like. Do you really want to play a clone of those other games? What is so unique about a FPWV that to not include it in GR2 would be detrimental to gameplay? Remember now that I have been firing weapons for 30 years and had to qualify with the M16A1 when I was in the Marines. I know what is actually seen when shooting. I also point to my last post about having it as an option and why it would not be a good idea. Well said WhiteKnight77. I agree FPWV games are a dime a dozen and GR doesn't need to fall into that clone barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATRI0T Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 For long time I was "traditionalist" and loved original GR view but to be honest I would like to see FPWV in GR2. FPWV as option would be definitely way to go. Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I'm with HostilePerson and Cull and all the FPWV'ers in here.... I dont see what is the problem adding FPW in GR2, if someone doesnt like it he can turn it off. Took the words straight out of my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Theres plenty of arguments about whats life like and whats not but for me it comes down to the fact that I'd rather not have a big clunky resource hogging weapon in my extremely limited field of computer screen video game view. Trying to play "real-life" within a box is bad enough, adding extra garbage to clutter it up is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly2442 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 They could make it an option so you could decide what you wanted. That way you appease everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 They could make it an option so you could decide what you wanted. That way you appease everyone. Reread what I said about "options". I should be able to determine if I use it or not, when forced, I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly2442 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Woops, sorry didn't catch that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 I kind of like the weapon view. I use it all the time in RvS. However, I really don't mind GR's ret only view either. But if they did have a weapon view I'd probably use it. I'm a sucker for eye candy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt03 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Personally I like the system that OFP uses. The weapon never bothers me and it doesn't block most of the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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