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hey hatchet my dad is an old army sf guy and me and him have an ongoing argument going on. in your opinion whats better IRON or OPTICS?

really appreciate what ur doing for us at home and abroad and keep it up!

keep the sweet posts comin! :thumbsup:

While I wasn't SF, I can tell you, it all depends on what or actually where you are shooting at. If sniping at long distances, optics are the only way. Under 500 yards, iron sights are fine in most cases. Anything under 50 yards, I don't see a need for optics.

HF may have different views. ;)

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hey hatchet my dad is an old army sf guy and me and him have an ongoing argument going on. in your opinion whats better IRON or OPTICS?

really appreciate what ur doing for us at home and abroad and keep it up!

keep the sweet posts comin! :thumbsup:

Optical sights are superior. In early days of the employment of optics, reliablity was a major factor. Thus, many operators have were leery of them. However, with improvement in technology, optical sights now offer an unequalled edge over strict iron sights. In shoot off after shoot off, optical sights have proven themselves superior. And more importantly, they have shown their applicability and distinct edge in combat. Iron sights, what we call a BUS, are still on our weapon, however they are precisely that...a backup. Iron sights have all but gone the way of manual morse code.

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Hatchet - are the CCO M68's the mainstay for you guys, or has EoTech established itself as a player? I have seen many LEO's with an EoTech, and know that both companies were issued orders for product by the Government(US)

Thanks

It's a personal use issue. Almost every operator prefers the Eothechs. It has it's drawbacks. You have to use the elevation mounting block or it ruins reflexive fire. You sight the target and snap the weapon up and lay the sight over the target, directly in the line between your eyes and the target. You do not dip your head down to the weapon then back up on the target. If the Eotech isn't on an elevated mount, then you almost need to dip down. But the mounts solve the issue.

The Eotech has a night vision setting but it is too awkward to use with NVGs. Over all though the length of the sight tube is very short and it is a true parallax scope. Also it handles bright daylight better than the 68s.

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Some Photo's of Aussie SASR operating in and around AL Asad Air base. Same base as photo's aboce but obviously when things were not secured.

MK19 Armed LRPV

Front Gate Reception Commitee

LRPV's on the move. Obviously those dust clouds make covert movement interesting...unless you want to be found

Down Town

A little Roadblock

Clearing Ops

The Hair....

LRPV and some Mig-25/29's need some rework

Carrying a load of kit on those LRPVs

View from the top

Road Movement Note each Gunner covering a different Arc

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  • 4 weeks later...

Pics of Meadows Memorial, which is located beside the SF plaza at USASOC HQ here at Bragg. On this Memorial Day weekend, I thought it appropriate. Meadows was a Master Sergeant at 23 and held the record for snatching prisoners in Vietnam with 13 total:

Meadows joined the Army at 15 and spent more than 30 years serving his country -- most of it in Special Forces and Ranger positions. He fought in the Korean War, and became its youngest master sergeant.

In 1953, he joined the 10th Special Forces Group and, in 1960, became the first NCO to participate in an exchange program between the 7th SFG and the British army's elite 22nd Special Air Service Regt.

In 1961 Meadows deployed to Laos as part of the White Star mobile training team that spent six months teaching combat tactics to the Royal Lao Army and Laotian tribal guerillas.

During three tours in Vietnam Meadows conducted numerous cross-border reconnaissance and commando missions. He also helped write the operations plan for the daring raid to free American POWs from Son Tay Prison, near Hanoi, in which he served as assault team leader.

His actions in Southeast Asia so impressed the senior U.S. commander in Vietnam, Gen. William Westmoreland, that he obtained approval for Meadows' direct commission to captain. It was the first battlefield commission to be given during the Vietnam war.

Meadows' last assignment was at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., in 1977, where he was the training officer and deputy commander of the jungle phase of Ranger School.

But his special operations career was far from over.

Meadows traveled to Iran in 1980 during the Iran hostage crisis and, as a U.S. Army consultant, posed as a foreign businessman to scout the American Embassy in Tehran where the hostages were being held. That mission was aborted when three of eight Navy helicopters involved experienced system failures.

Meadows' many military awards and decorations include: the Distinguished Service Cross, two Silver Stars, Bronze Star with Valor Device, Air Medal, Legion of Merit, Meritorious Service Medal, Joint Service Commendation Medal, Combat Infantry Badge, Ranger Tab, Scuba Badge and numerous foreign awards.

The man who, in the words of U.S. Special Operations Command commander Gen. Wayne Downing, "made extraordinary contributions to the security of the nation," was remembered at a July reunion of the Son Tay Raid Association at Hurlburt Field, Fla. During the reunion, Meadows was inducted into the Army Ranger Hall of Fame.

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for the rotor-heads

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An MH-60S Knighthawk helicopter flares as it lands in a cloud of dust during a training mission near Naval Air Facility El Centro, Calif., on May 25, 2005. The Knighthawk is attached to Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 3, which trains all pilots and aircrew reporting to MH-60S squadrons worldwide. DoD photo by Petty Officer 2nd Class S. Taylor, U.S. Navy. (Released)
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03 June 2005

First Missile Test Firing From Tiger Helicopter

The first test firing of a Hellfire missile from Australia’s new Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter has been held at Woomera in South Australia, Defence Minister Robert Hill announced today.

Senator Hill said the aim of the Hellfire Test Campaign is to certify the weapon for service use on the Tiger helicopter.

"If accepted, this will be a major boost to Australia’s Defence capability by enhancing Army’s firepower, protection and mobility," Senator Hill said.

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A Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter on the apron at Woomera airfield fitted with high-speed cameras and armed in preparation for Hellfire missile acceptance trials.

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A Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter prepares to fire a Hellfire guided missile at a ground target on the Woomera Range.
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