soup31314 Posted May 2, 2004 Share Posted May 2, 2004 Thanks zebb and rocky. Sitting on the pakistan border sucks. But hey some one has to do it. My medick pronounced medic carries a m9 right now. He wants a m4 but we dont have any extra. SAW gunners carry 800 rounds in 100 nut sacks as we call them. Little bags that go where 200 round drums go. 200 round boxs are to loud and break. Plus we got 1 M14 rifle per squad. Its set up as a m21 instead (bipods, scope, cheek rest. Its a nice rifle they just didnt change out the old wooden stocks for the new poly stocks. So the wood is dry rottied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 2, 2004 Share Posted May 2, 2004 My medick pronounced medic carries a m9 right now. He wants a m4 but we dont have any extra. SAW gunners carry 800 rounds in 100 nut sacks as we call them. Little bags that go where 200 round drums go. 200 round boxs are to loud and break. Plus we got 1 M14 rifle per squad. Its set up as a m21 instead (bipods, scope, cheek rest. Its a nice rifle they just didnt change out the old wooden stocks for the new poly stocks. So the wood is dry rottied. Actually I prefer the 100 round nut sacks due to the fact that yeah, they easily break (200 round boxes), and if I was going to carry the beast, I'd carry a 100 rounder due to weight too. Plus not as bulky and if I ever decide to go in a house with one, it wouldn't be hard to move around. But F'n New Guy, more or less acquiring things on a deployment such as this is because more people are either willing to let it go (leaving units most especially) or Somebody Knows Alot Of People. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Just a question for the pros (Mainly Soup and EricJ) What are your thoughts on this: If you have a bit of a fire fight with some militia or troops or who ever, and as soup said people like the medic only have little pistols, and the enemy had some nice shootas, like maybe some old AR15's or even M4 or MP5 (depending on the enemy), would you allow the medic to keep a gun he finds, because it is better than his pistol, and you'd like to give him a better gun if one was available?? Or would you, i dunno, deactivate the guns or hand em over to MP's or what ever would normally happen in said situation?? Not tryin to be political or anything here, im just curious as to what the rules are, and how stricly followed they are. Cheers guys, and good luck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chems Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I thought, that in the more mobile troops, like I dunno, 101st Airborne, Rangers erm, Royal Marines those kind of troops, they had normal soilders who are just better training medics, so they have there full amount of kit etc, but they are also the medics. Kinda the same as the SAS do were one of the team should have spent some time working in an A and A ward. Something I saw on that program with Eddie Stone. Anyways, ill take me google knowledge away with me. We shall see what Hatchet Force says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Generally if there is a weapon available, plus ammo, I'd give it up to the medic. Of course that's all dependent if the medi knew how to generally use the weapon ("Put it on burst, and point it that way", or something along those lines). But sometimes when I drive, I borrow an M9 due to the fact that it's easier to pull out and point out the window than trying to wrench an M4 out the window. But weapons are decided by the brass. Medics aren't "combat soldiers" so they aren't authorized a particular type of weapon (MTOE related). But then again, depending on what's going on, it can change, as per this deployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F'n New Guy Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 met-t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetforce Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Our medics carry everything we have - weapons etc -, and their M5 bag. When we doorkick, they are carrying the same small medical kit that we are and their M5 bag is not immediately with them. Situationally it may be in whatever transport we brought in or dropped at the main entrance to a structure we are hitting. Wherever the M5 bag(s) are located, everyone will know prior to the op as it will be decided and briefed beforehand. In fact our senior medic is the best assaulter on our Team. Every unit operates differently. Usually the smaller the unit, the more the need for the medic to also function as an operator. For us, the 18D is an SF soldier first and a medic second. As for the original title of the topic, in Iraq I was carrying 16 M4 mags and 5 M9 mags. When things calmed down and we were hitting targets in the towns, I slimmed my load down to 10 M4 mags and 4 M9 mags with more on our vehicle. It is now METT-TC. It was METT, then METT-T. Now the 'C' has been added to denote civilian considerations in urban ops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Ft Campbell, Ky 5th Special Forces Group :notworthy: And somehow, unlike past "Special Forces Operators", i dont doubt that Hatchet Force is the real deal, check out his personal photo Humbled by your prescence sir, i saw your name yesterday, welcome to the site! By anychance did you see any aussies in Iraq? SAS, RAR or Air Traffic controllers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetforce Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 You mean like here: This was about a week before infil. We went in together with our buds from down under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chems Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 It is now METT-TC. It was METT, then METT-T. Now the 'C' has been added to denote civilian considerations in urban ops. What this all about im lost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetforce Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 That was in relation to the comment above my post of met-t. I was stating it is METT-TC now. An acronymn we utilize to assist us in planning. Mission, Enemy, Terrain (and weather), Troops available, Time, Civilian considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 met-t Pretty much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteKnight77 Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I see our very own military consultant and SF troop has let the cat out of the bag. Y'all be nice to him or else. (and to think I asked Rocky about this a bit ago. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streinger Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I thought, that in the more mobile troops, like I dunno, 101st Airborne, Rangers erm, Royal Marines those kind of troops, they had normal soilders who are just better training medics, so they have there full amount of kit etc, but they are also the medics. Kinda the same as the SAS do were one of the team should have spent some time working in an A and A ward. Something I saw on that program with Eddie Stone. Actually, it's other way around. (at least in Croatian army) You take a trained nurse and just provide basic infantry training- and you got your self a combat medic. That's how I ended up as a medic- it was 4 years nursing high school plus my paramedic training that made me a good medic, there wasn't much Army could teach me about my job. CPR, ALS, BLS, putting in IV canile, resuscitation..that's my every day job. I can do that stuff with my eyes closed...it's my second nature. All the Army had to do is to train me so that using weapons becomes my second nature as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 It's almost the same here in the US, where the medic's job is more important, but then again, it's also the mentality of the soldier involved. The medics assigned to my Troop routinely go out on patrols, which is good, since they also develop the skills to be an effective combat soldier, while still remaining capable of providing immediate first aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 I carry 6 AK mags and 2 glock mags all full Plus anything I can beg borrow or steal for my grab bag,which has medical stuff in it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Given the shatty accuracy of the AK (unless you keep it on semi?), I would think you would carry more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 The AK's is only as accurate as the operator Double tapping controlled fire is pretty accuarate Eric,but we're not there to engage an enemy 300m+. We're in the < 200 bracket and I can still hit a Fig 11 in the head at that range! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Can't argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streinger Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 I carry 6 AK mags and 2 glock mags all full Plus anything I can beg borrow or steal for my grab bag,which has medical stuff in it too AK...are we talking about AK-47? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Yes! The AK in Baghdad is my personal weapon with the Glock 17 as my side arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasniper Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 is it a 47 or 74? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyll Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 47,I've seen very few 74's out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup31314 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Iraq I think I saw 1 maybe ak74. Mostly ak47. As for seeing aussies in Iraq yeah saw them at Baghdad Internation. They asked if we could watch there little truck. lol. We made a mistake and asked them if they were brits. Bad idea. As for medic in the line units they are trained as medic first then grunts. We also have CLS (combat life savers) or combat life takers as I call them cuase they only get 40 hours of training mostly just learning how to stick some one with an IV. @Hatchetforce Where were you at when you were in Iraq. were you one of the cool guys in the toyotas with the .50 on back with the VS-17 panels. Or the guys that were chilling in the hanger at BIA?? Did some missions with both bunch of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streinger Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Yes! The AK in Baghdad is my personal weapon with the Glock 17 as my side arm Argyll, forgive my ignorance, but in what army are you serving? It's just that AK-47 and Glock make an unusuall personal weapons layout, so I can't make it out...it's not quite eastern, not quite western... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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