Tollen Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Seems like the South Koreans have adopted the MP-7. It's only the cops special branch (SWAT) or perhaps just the airport security, I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasniper Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 cool, i read that the germans are buying it too for officers and AFV crews etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconSnake Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I'd really like to get some trigger time in on one of those after hearing the scuttlebutt...Lancer, you got a UPS store nearby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 why is that mp5 suppresed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zantar45 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 (edited) why is that mp5 suppresed? The real question should be, why not? I guessing they might've had some increased security and armed the gaurds/soldiers with whatever was on hand. (could the be reason why MP-7 is shown) Edited December 3, 2003 by Zantar45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Thats what i'm sayin, why, there not trying to go unoticed for Gods sake, they are standing out in the open, inside a building, with sunglasses, and fully automatic weapons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snared_gambit Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 There's no reason not to have a suppresor. There's a loss in muzzle velocity, but that's about it. You see SF guys with QD suppresors on their weapons all the time for no apparent reason. Perhaps just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Yea, there would be a reason for SF guys, they are trying to be somewhat secretive, and may not want to give away their positions, otherwise, IMHO, theres no reason at all, to use a suppresor, cos as u said, it does reduce the velocity of the round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snared_gambit Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Not to get into an arguement, but this picture kind of makes me wonder about your post Cink: There you have a DEVGRU operator running security for afghan officials, basically the same job as the Koreans. Perhaps they just have the suppresors on because it's something they prefer. But, let's not get into a heated debate. Personally, and I have fired an actual M4, I prefer the suppresor on. I dunno why, but I just felt a lot better shooting it when it was on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 (edited) Well, how do you know he's security? And as far as Dev, how do you even know he is Dev. cos some site said so? dont beleieve everything you see, for all you know, he could be DSS, a Beret even. we still dont even know what the hell those Koreans are doing either. I suppose in that case, i shouldnt question why they are using them then. You havent fired a m4, at people, under fire, or at people at longer ranges. You havent had to worry about giving urself away, or your teamates away. Just dont make sense to me, someone whos actually been in the military enlighten me? BTW: you said SF, SF are Berets, not SEALs Edited December 4, 2003 by Marcinko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snared_gambit Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 (edited) Still stubborn aren't we cink? Well, how do you know he's security? And as far as Dev, how do you even know he is Dev. cos some site said so? dont beleieve everything you see, for all you know, he could be DSS, a Beret even 1st, that's specifically what they're doing. Here's the source. Tell me, do they look like they're doing security operations and protecting peoplse. And I don't know he's DEVGRU. I'm fairly sure, because if you take a look at those pics, most of the M4s are not only DEVGRU editions, but they've got the Naval Special Warfare crane stock. That of course doesn't rule out the possibility of him being on a SEAL team, or any other SOF team for that matter. You havent fired a m4, at people, under fire, or at people at longer ranges. You havent had to worry about giving urself away, or your teamates away. Sure haven't. I was simply stating that I felt more comfortable firing the weapon with the QD on. I don't know about anyone else. It was just a personal example. Just dont make sense to me, someone whos actually been in the military enlighten me? That would be spectacular. BTW: you said SF, SF are Berets, not SEALs Forgot to add the o. Meant Special Operations Forces. Just using it as a general term Sides, why do we even argue about things we don't know about. Edited December 4, 2003 by snared_gambit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Just to add, I don't think you guys should make a fuss over the topic, it's no big deal. The trooper in question could have been assigned the weapon, or chose it for personal preferance, who knows? One reason a SD is better suited (Especialy in CQB/Urban) would be for the muzzle report. Guns are very loud, and one can quickly be deafened without hearing protection when shooting, especially in CQB and Urban battles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Yup, always will be stubborn Yea, i knew Pic would come in, whats up man. Just tryin to prove a point. So, enlighten as to where to how, you can identify a unit by the weapon they use. Half the U.S. military uses m4's. I speek to Army and Marine guys, that use the NSW Crane on their, SPR's, and m4's. ur right, this is silly, but like i said, just tryin to prove a point. I dont even know what they are doing in that picture, the Koreans, so i shouldnt have asked. rather chilidish argument at that. u started it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Maybe its just a photoshoot? Sure they are in an airport, but maybe they got told to look cool for the cameras? Notice the group in formation behind them I think the ADF used MP 7's at one stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 a photo shoot? since when do military forces start to photo shoots? they advertise for fruit of a loon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SealTeam6 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Also don't forget that in the immediate area there may be lots of civilians in the area, which may not have noticed the situation but will if you start firing a non-supressed weapon which will cause panic and most likely cause the civilians to obscure the tango. If I were in that situation I would probably use the operator with MP5SD to fire first and neutralise the threat and then use the MP7 if it is required to eliminate the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Have you ever been in combat, or for that matter fired either of these weapons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WytchDokta Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 (edited) Look at all the security guys in the background, there's loads of 'em, and they don't have any weaps (as far as I can see) Edited December 5, 2003 by -[NCM]- .:Nightmare:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 and.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Slaughter Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Could anyone who's not been in the military please stop having an opinion? Jeepers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 You just posted urs. Not opinions, i havent stated anything, that would require me to be in the military. Jeepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SealTeam6 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 (edited) Also one suggestion I would like to make is that maybe for these type of forums to have a few members who have been in the military and who have used the most common weapons fielded by miltary units and police tactical to be specfically named as advisors to help clarify what a piece of equipment (such as a real firearm) can do in the real world. (The MP5SD looks to be the MP5SD6 Variant with a 3-round burst pictorial trigger group.) Edited December 6, 2003 by Seal-ST6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcinko Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Dont believe you ever answered me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Could anyone who's not been in the military please stop having an opinion? Jeepers! Just because you may have been in the military doesnt give you the right to prevent others from having an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconSnake Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Could anyone who's not been in the military please stop having an opinion? Jeepers! Ahahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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