Gryphon 0 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I'm just wondering if anyone has in their plans to make an M4 model with the new SN-12 scope on, slated to replace the ACOG as the standard mount for USMC riflemen. It would be cool to see in an M4/M16A4 model... Scope can be seen here: http://www.uspsa-ma.org/images/AR_USOpticsSN12.gif Closeup http://www.usoptics.com/sn12a800.gif The reticle is apparently not illuminated, and is of the circle chevron type, with standard cross hairs and hash marks for moving leads... Excellent website and good pic for skinning can be found at http://www.usoptics.com/usSN12.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snared_gambit 0 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Not to say anything, but that scope is the ugliest thing ever. I know they're not supposed to look good, but jeez! Why would you replace the ACOG with it's light gathering elements in the sighting system, for that?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 Mostly for real-world reasons - it has better resolution than the ACOG, apparently a better reticle, variable diopter power for shooters with eye problems, can be used with a gas mask, removed without tools and so on and so on and so on... And it's extremely rugged. I agree though, the ACOG is much sexier. I've already finished the reticle so maybe I'll just cheat and pretend that my M68 equipped M4 is carrying one of these... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SI-Prozac Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Nasty looking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcinko 1 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Better ret? does the ACOG not come in, not only several different magnifications types, bu also in severeal different ret styles, one of them being a chevron? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 You're absolutely right, however this reticle has a bullet drop compensator wheel unlike the ACOG scopes which have etched bullet drop compensation. Also, the reticle is superior to any of the ACOG types according to USMC evaluators, since the reticle was custom made for the USMC requirement. It looks a little like a G36 reticle... A broken horizontal stadia line, with a circle in the middle, and a chevron in the circle pointing to the mittle. Beneath and to the left of the center are bracket lines with "2, 3, 4, 5, 6" under them, apparently the shoulder width of an individual at 200, 300 and so on meters. I've already made it GR and frankly I like it for acquisition, but the SN-12 scope is alot more than just a new reticle... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Earl 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 It least it's easier to model than the ACOG ;-) If anybody finds actual photos of the reticule, let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro_Monty 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I think it's rather nice-looking, actually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 Earl - I have a high res pictorial representation of the reticle which I obtained from page 92 of the manufacturer's catalog. I can email it to You if You PM me Your email addy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcinko 1 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 thats cool, u hit me with it too? gr_junky@hotmail.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 WOT no nospam? Gutsy fella Mail incoming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 ooooo - could you send me that pic as well? just clicky the E-mail button below thanks CLARK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 Check Your mail about how I can't send them in the mail Or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcinko 1 Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 This is what my man Gryphon's talkin about.... and Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 4, 2003 Author Share Posted October 4, 2003 To explain These are two reticles designed for the USMC. Fixed magnification is 3.5X. The primary ret is to be used with the M4 and M16A4 and is the circle chevron. The SN12 is designed for quickly interchangeable reticle assemblies so a secondary reticle is a user option, and is to be used for DMR-type M16A4s as it has a crosshair… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper 0 Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 since those brackets are for distance calsualtion why is there no bullet drop marks on the reticle? does the scope have a bullet-drop adjustment wheel? CLARK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 4, 2003 Author Share Posted October 4, 2003 Exactly right - its main advantage over the ACOG - it can adjust bullet drop based on caliber, barrel length and so on and so on. There are even different wheels You can buy with different sensitivity settings. The people who make this scope believe that etched BDC is always a compromise and I can see why they think so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mob 0 Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 This scope also has the advantage of 4 inches of eye relief. The ACOG has fairly short eye relief, which can lead to cuts and bruises around the eye in a heated firefight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dagger 0 Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 That scope may be better but I think the acog looks cooler " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcinko 1 Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 My friend, war IS NOT cosmetics, it's what gets the job done the best. we shall see how this operates, who knows, maybe it will become as common as the ACOG or the Comp II. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gryphon 0 Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share Posted October 5, 2003 Yeah, I look forward to seeing some field photos of this thing in action - and some reports from the Marines on how it handles. ACOG may look cooler but this scope is a lot more rugged and versatile, I think it will be the new ACOG in reputation as well as use, but I wonder how it fits into the whole changeover to the XM8? I saw somewhere that they will start fielding those to select units in Q4 2005! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Viper 0 Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 I rather prefer etched BDC on a combat scope - it makes it far easier to transition between targets at differant ranges rather than having to stop to turn your bullet-drop knob so and so clicks first. I also notice that is seems to not have any back-up sights like the ACOG, also a nice thing to have IMO. CLARK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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