[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

No, this is an isolated occasion involving the Dutch Navy and has little to do with the reasons why women are not permitted to join Infantry and Special Forces in the US. Besides, I think that any example involving the Dutch Armed Forces with no real combat commitment (save a small battle group of marines in Iraq and passive UN peacekeeping operations [Did anyone say Srebrenica massacre?]) is a very good idea.

there is only the exception for the submarines for as far as i know, due to the fact that the submarine is too confined as a ship(no privacy)

PRIVACY? There's more blinking privacy on a subarine than in an Infantry deployment. That's madness. Does the Dutch army take shower curtains everwhere it goes?

Combat is not something that you can change the rules of and is certainly not your run of the mill office job. If experienced military personel beleive that women are generally counter-productive in combat, I personally don't beleive the risk is worth taking to bend the rules and find out otherwise.

NOW I SUGGEST IF THIS CONTINUES WE MOVE THE TOPIC AWAY FROM HERE AND INTO 'Real World Military' BEFORE WE BORE TOO MANY PEOPLE.

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

Well said.

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

it is a fact that women are not excluded due to stamina or strength but because it would upset a male dominated organisation and that has led in holland to sexual assaults and such

Sexual assaults? What? You're exaggerating the issue. Stop it.

And I have provided plenty of back up for my claims, it just saddens me that my point has been missed and instead you seem to have opted towards labelling me as a sexist, racist??, anti-ganja-chill pig.

Ho-dee-ho. GRAW anyone?

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

Ok sui spare me the Liberal lecture. There is a fundamental difference between the performance of each sex in air combat jobs to that of ground combat primarily Infantry roles.

if there were no colored people in the ghost team the publisher would have been sewed!

And to be quite honest, that remark offends me, the idea that the world has gone so mad that political correctness affects a game developer's limits.

Since my point has been so twisted that I now look like the resident 'bubble burster' I'll take my debate elsewhere.

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

Thanks for being a positive addition to this community.

No problem. I prefere to keep the debate alive rather than simply agreeing for fear of being labelled a meanie.

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

GRAW is not a close-as-possible realism game, and there will never be a game like that either...

No. That is not what I said. Besides, GRAW does have female characters as discussed earlier.

Why not include a ninja with an easter bunny sidekick. That would be fun too.

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

There are a lot of female gamers who would like to be remember/acknowledged for a change.

How? By creating a fantasy story rather than basing a tactical squad game on close-as-possible realism? No one's stopping you from actually playing - are they?

[Lindy Cohen and the other women]

In 2013 there may be women on the field.

Excuse me. Women are not yet deployable as Combat infantrymen in the US or British armies. This will continue far past 2013 and hopefully for much longer. The mere presence of a woman in a combat team is enough to drop a soldier's effectiveness by dangerous levels - as seen in Isreali units. The pass rate for women applying into special forces units is literally 0%. Women are usually included in movies/games/books themed on Special Forces only as in a spice up and or political correctness role.

[Demo/ Feed back and update.]

Help me. Just help me die.

The weapon switiching is a sham. I think GRIN saw bf2 and thought "hmm that's an interesting way of selecting inventory, let's do that."

Look, special ops teams are very small and lightly equipped - this means that training sometimes focuses on fast action reloading, fast sidearm drawing - with emphasis on spending less time looking for stuff and more time covering your sector. The weapon switching system in GRAW both makes a mockery of this ideal and is also driving me to insanity. One button for each inventory slot. Thats all it needs. None of this sliding through menus and then sliding back because you went too far and then finally selecting your sidearm/grenade. Correct me if button-to-weapon assignment is in the full game but I really think this would make the game alot more fluid and less fiddley.

Thoughts?

[Need Binoculars]

Great minds think alike. Binoculars please... Maybe some pretty tinted ones.

[Very Important...]

Erm no... Actually watch the video it has nothing to do with disk scratching rofl...

[Realistic Death animations? Blood?]

I spent 4 years in the 101st Airborne. That ###### doesn't fly.

101st Airborne? Thought it became Air Assault a long time ago.

[Realistic Death animations? Blood?]

Personally I adore realism in a Tactical Shooter. However in my opinion, how someone looks when they die isn't important unless the game is called something like 'Doom', 'Resident Evil' or 'Amputation Surgen 3D'.

As for the moral side, I wish people would focus thier comparative energy on something that isn't quite so un-necessary. I'd rather not be so reminded that when you get shot by a .50 calibre bullet, your head blows in two. Historicly, human body damage is not something to be proud of and try to replicate, but tactical and technological achievements are.

[Very Important...]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2631795034636589131

Essential for the X-Box gamer to watch.

[Offering Clan Training]

Yeah, not all eligable though.

[Offering Clan Training]

Hey there.

Ok, I am offering a free service to any clans out there (preferable coop ones) who would like to receive weekly exstensive training from myself. I train clans in the use of Infantry Standard Operating Proceedure, for those clans or groups that like to play the game realisticly and in teams.

You can reply here or email me at GeckoTraining@hotmail.co.uk for any queries about this.

Here is the lowdown of the training you would receive.

Basic 'Boot Camp'

- Cover and Concealment

- Fire discipline

- Rules of movement

- 2 dimension 360 security philosophy

Patrolling

- Reaction to contact

- Recon info gathering patrols

- Patrol formations

-- Victor (V)

-- Line

-- Column (file)

-- Left/Right Echelons

-- Staggered Left/Right

-- Full Platoon Varients of above

- Use of terrain in movement

Sniper/Spotter philosophy

Support weapons

- Use of support machine guns within a squad

- Ambushes

-- 'T' Ambushes

-- 'L' Ambushes

-- Spider Web Ambushes

- 3-4 rounds burst philosophy

- Suppression and Covering Fire technique

-- Attack

-- Retreat

Advanced Infantry

- Danger area crossings

- Artillary calling/zeroing

- Peeling back maneuver

- Bounding

-- Buddy team

-- Full Squad

-- Full Platoon

- Proper Use of Squad Specialist weapons

-- Anti Tank SOP

-- M203 engagement/ target marking.

Close Quater Battle technique (CQB)

- Large building isolation

-- Perimitre support team setup

-- Assault team setups

- Room clearing

-- Stacking in correct order

-- Over under fragging

-- Go commands (1 up, 2 up, 3 up)

Urban or MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain)

- Road/Street Movement

-- Street Formation

-- 3 dimension 360 security

- Building protection

-- Window sniping do's and donts

Each partition is a block of one hours training.

Thanks.