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And as far as maintenance, yes, I was a little religious about cleaning it. I had to make sure it worked right? So I'd everyday mainly wipe down the exterior, optic, etc. and give a few dabs of CLP and every few days wipe down the chamber, so the majority of malfunctions were mag related, i.e. the bolt sticking on a round when loading a fresh mag, which would be easily solved by slapping the bottom and verifying the bolt rode forward, which requires a second to check. Stuff like that's important when you are in a firefight, i.e. crouched on a riverbank during contact dismounted or in a vehicle tearing up the countryside during an ambush while mounted. Or is this knowledge privy only to Rangers and SF? I think not as it doesn't matter what you do in the Army, getting shot at is getting shot at, and I am soooooo sorry I didn't take the time to take pictures while shooting, as making it home was more important than impressing anybody
EricJ your input certainly IS appreciated, and again, as I said before I was only addressing Marcinko as he had responded directly to the letter I posted by Hackworth.
BTW, I don't think Marcinko meant any harm by what he said. From what I know of him on this forum he is generally very respectful of others and as you can see from my discussion with him, he did not resort to flaming etc... I think he may have just misunderstood who you were. Marcinko is a well respected member of this forum, and I really doubt that he would have posted anything intentionally to denegrate you in any manner.
Thanks for your service, and your input in this thread.
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Meanwhile in other places someone breaks in your place of residence with no intent of harming you, just to rob you of your belongings, and your some gun-ho ###### like me, you gun him down, i get sued by his family...
I love the system i fight soo hard to hold hold
Well isn't that just the problem.
I know someone who has about 70 machine guns, but when he is in the house, he pretty much relies on body armor, a Tazer and pepper spray. All those guns and he is deathly afraid to use them. Sick society we live in today.
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if people would take the time to train on these things instead of calling home to mommy or watching season 4 of 24, the "issues" with these weapons would magically disappear.
Well Marcinko, you have "been there and done that", so you can make a statement like this. To be honest this is something that has crossed my mind, and HF has said something similar, although he seemed to kind of hint at it more than say it directly. Although I am glad you did just come out and say it.
I just am not in a position to say anything like what you said as I have not "been there". Over the years I may have shot more rounds than most people in service, but again, not in combat, so I'm not "qualified" to make the sort of statement you made.
I just hear a lot of complaints from people coming back from Iraq, and so for me I can only see two things being the factor; #1 the gun just stinks, #2 a bit more care is all that is needed.
Obviously I have never been in combat, but when I do take an M16/M4 to an mg shoot that is pretty much what I do to. Of course we are shooting a lot of rounds in full auto so there is a lot of lube "cooking off", but every 400-500 rounds I pretty much wipe the carrier and bolt down, shoot a couple drops of white lithium grease or CLP on the rings and contact points and it always seems ready to go another round.
Now granted some gas piston guns like a Steyr Aug, AR18 or G3 shoot "cleaner", but the 30sec of "maintainence" is really not too much trouble.
Anyway, it is always good to get some insight from those in the field who do have the experience. Thanks for the input.
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name='EricJ' date='Feb 11 2007, 07:41 AM' post='449657']
Tell him to maintain his freakin weapon, or get better mags. Or lighten up on the CLP so it wont' jam, the Technical Manual specifies only a few drops as opposed to soaking the weapon in a desert environment. It works because I spent my year doing that and most of the jams I had were mag related. The only other "malfunction" I had was a piece of brass somehow ended up in the chamber, and that thanfully was on a range. I'd sleep with my M4 or marry it. The 5.56 yeah... it sucks.
Yes, if you maintain an M4 religiously it will fire very reliably, but it sill does not negate the fact that the gun is still less reliable than something more like an M14, FAL, G3, etc... It is a fact that direct gas system will result in a "dirtier weapon".
Same as above, proper maintenance and care makes any weapon work. Granted the drums are something least desired, use the 100 round beanie bags. The Scouts I loaned my team's 249 out to loved it, And they had no issues whatsoever.Hatchetforce brought up the issue of the 249 once before, and he did also mention that at one point there were some parts that were being supplied by a less than quality producing supplier.
Oh and he's the only one who's been over there?It was only a post in regard to a statement made about Hackworth. Of course there are others that have served.
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Back to the original topic,
Irregardless of what this guy says, i know what sidearm my unit carries. The 9mm is just as effective, i would like somene to prove me wrong, take your 9mm, go out and shoot someone, then take your 45 and go out and shoot someone...
oh wait you cant. all you know is numbers and how it hits steel, ive seen a guy walk away from 6 5.56 wounds.
balistics is a very.... delicate discussion, and unless you have experience in the field of killing people, you only know what the books say, which isnt enough to make a accurate statement about 9mm vs .45.
therefore, i encourage you all to go Army, HOOAH!
no but really, adrenaline, courage, whatever you want to call it is kevlar in itself, it has a great effect on whether or not the round is effective(speaking from my own experiences), of course you go high enough up in caliber it doesnt matter how much armor or adrenaline, or khat they have, they are gonna die.
Your point about book knowledge is absolutely true. It is much the same as EPA est. for fuel economy compared to actual gas mileage numbers. That is why I don't form my opinions from books. I posted what Hackworth said because for starters he does have experience. Also, I cannot record everything I have heard from actual people who have "been there".
However, in the last company I worked for there was a client who had a son who was a Marine in Iraq, and he often shared his letters. I finally found the thing on my hard drive, and here is a copy of it. Much of what is in there mirrors what I have heard directly from people who have "been there".
Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and
interested guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my
son Jordan, who was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He
is well (a little thin), and already bored. He will be returning to
Iraq for a second tour in early '06 and has already re-enlisted early
for 4 more years. He loves the Marine Corps and is actually looking
forward to returning to Iraq.
Jordan spent 7 months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi. Aka: Fort
Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me
about weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which
may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No
politics here, just a Marine with a bird's eye view's opinions:
1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan
says you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4
carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but
it has jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the
various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails,
but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all
hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock
structure common over there and even torso hits can't be reliably
counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead
insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.
2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light
machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of ######.
Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.
(that's fun in the middle of a firefight).
3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns
for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm:
Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.
4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for
clearing houses to good effect.
5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that
was!!). Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em
down. Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more
are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62
round chews up the structure over there.
6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is
still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight
stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted
weapon in-theater.
7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands
on one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down
with a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the
pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old
government model .45's are being re-issued en masse.
8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include
lightweight Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very
reliable in the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.
9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range
and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take
out vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and
barricaded enemy. Definitely here to stay.
10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300
win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers
have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine
sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded
Carlos Hathcock's record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.
11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.
and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will
stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as ###### to wear, almost
unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also,
the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the ######
about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was
a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't
make any difference at all in most cases.
12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular
performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very
little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being
whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all
seen the videos.
13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights
are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban
operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and
loved it.
I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and
ordnance are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology,
it's the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!!! The
infantry fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is
given or shown.
Bad guy weapons:
1) Mostly AK47's . The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in
the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM
belt fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily,
the enemy mostly shoots like ######. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type
fire. However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons,
especially sniper rifles. (Iran, again) Fun fact: Captured enemy have
apparently marveled at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they
fight. They are apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans
rely solely on technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters
combat for their lack of toughness. Let's just say they know better now.
2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.
Simple, reliable and as common as dog######. The enemy responded to our
up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank
range. Still killing a lot of our guys.
3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet
anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in
Jordan's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3
155mm artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by
cell phone, and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any
vehicle, even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing
our guys do over there. Lately, they are much more sophisticated
"shape charges" (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor.
Fact: Most of the ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also
providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in
their use and tactics. That's why the attacks have been so deadly
lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being
shape charges in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the
cinderblocks that litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before
they detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.
4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets
(with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan's
NCO's lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside
the wire". Jordan's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by
mortar and rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and
cause fatigue (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything
else. The enemy mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few
rounds, and then haul ass in a matter of seconds.
5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by
cell and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use
handheld GPS units for navigation and "Google earth" for overhead
views of our positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and
prevalent. Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE.
Night vision is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and
the captured GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when
captured.
Who are the bad guys?:
Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They
operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are
mostly "foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the
Muslim world (and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of
course, the knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then
travel down the "rat line" which is the trail of towns along the
Euphrates River that we've been hitting hard for the last few months.
Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as
suicide bombers or in "sacrifice squads". Most, however, are hard core
terrorists from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas
etc.) These are the guys running around murdering civilians en masse
and cutting heads off. The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are
supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters. (they have been
fighting the Russians for years). In the Baghdad area and south, most
of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The
Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local
govt.'s, the police forces and the Army. The have had a massive spy
and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's.
Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long ago.
Bad Guy Tactics:
When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked
every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very
common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally
sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming
and firing Ak's and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the
defenses. They get mowed down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and
M240 above). Jordan's base was hit like this often. When engaged, they
have a tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they
think will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and
that's the end of that more often than not. These hole-ups are
referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's Waiting Room). We have
the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science. The fast mover's,
mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever increasing toll on the enemy.
When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130
Spectre gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire,
especially at night. Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all.
Fun fact: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand.
That is why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED,
suicide bomber ######. The new strategy is simple: attrition.
The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian
non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian
casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques
are locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and
ammo and flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard
whatsoever for civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and
murder without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the
Americans or the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members
(especially children) is common to influence people they are trying to
influence but cant reach, such as local govt. officials, clerics,
tribal leaders, etc.).
The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know
that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.
Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live
American serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise
don't give a ###### about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were
actually kidnapped by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such,
for our guys, every fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option.
The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a
######. Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but
they are getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of
suicide bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a
serious tactical mistake. Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber
of recruits in the Army and the police forces went up, along with
their motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel
because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent attacks against
civilians. The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters.
According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not only
believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They
are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom
they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters
are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate
of 20-1 and then see ###### like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the
print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their
equipment, food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say
this, there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through
the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough
troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The
Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an
American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).
Anyway guys, that's it, hope you found it interesting, I sure did.
Now of course Marcinko you may simply be a better shot than most, and I am not saying that in a sarcastic manner. Some people just have a better ability to make the "shots that count". Your experience may be different from that of others in the field, but the general opinions of people that serve which I hear directly mirrors what I read above, so my opinions are based on what I hear from them.
Again, your experience my be different, and maybe it is on account of your better abilities etc... I just cannot discount what I have directly heard from many who have "been there".
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I know that HF seems to have been involved to some degree or another with games in the past, but this time it seems that he may really have a "hands on" role. Correct me if I am wrong here, but if this is true, I have to say that I am more than curious about how this title will turn out.
Hey Hatchet (or ayone else that might know), is this the most active role that you have ever had in a game title? From what I recollect you have been consulted in the past, but upon first glance of the threads in this forum, it just seems to me that your role is much more "significant" than in the past.
Sorry if this is common knowledge to everyone else, but I don't spend that much time on gaming, so what might be obvious about games to many here is often news to me.
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The only person I know of to handle it, out side of Magpul, is SMGLee over at AR15.com who did a relatively extensive write-up on it with pictures.
I also know that Mark Fingar of Larue Tactical and Stickman of Rainier Arms get Magpul pre-production stuff, perhaps they'll lay hands on it soon. I'll call Mark Fingar and see if he knows anything about it.
Nice, I look forward to hearing about what you find out.
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There are videos and pictures everywhere on this gun.
I have seen all the videos and the pics, I just want to know if anyone outside of Magpul has handled this gun.
Magpul's stuff is topnotch, I have bought a number of their stocks, grips, slings, and magazine kits. Never had a complaint in the least about any of them. The only thing I am now wondering is if the gun uses an M16 trigger group, will it work with a RDIAS. The bolt does look like it could trip the sear.
Anyway, I still plan on following this thing closely.
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Anyone seen this thing in action? I see that HF is back on the forum. I wonder if he has had a chance to shoot this thing. It really looks pretty wicked.
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I say to each their own. The more realism the better in my opinion (for certain games). The fact is that there are an infinite number of semi real and all out fantasy shooters, but sims are barely a handful. Let the realism junkies have at least couple games that they can go to.
I am all for a game that gives the player freedom and they need to learn or figure out what to do and what not to do. If a player cannot figure out that jumping in the middle of a firefight is not a good idea, then they need to go run something else. That would be akin to constantly wanting a "go prone" feature in Halo. Halo is just that, a run and gun blow them all up fantasy game. It is fun in its own way, but it is not OFP.
Let the realism junkies have what they want, and if you disagree then so be it. Not everyone wants the same thing in a game, and what you think works does not necessarily appeal to everyone. How should a player know that jumping in the middle of a firefight is a bad idea? If realism is what they seek, then they should simply know this beforehand. Also, the manual can contain some simple basic principles like running while shooting reduces accuracy, single shots at distance are far preferable to full auto, shooting prone is much more accurate than shooting standing, etc...
Basic principles are already outlined in the game manual, so I don't see why they could not just do this the way they do it now.
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My ideal shooter would be the most realistic, tactical, military, and stealth based shooter aka Military Sim that technology could possibly offer.
The closest I have seen so far is the [Ghost Recon]. Though I heard Operation FlashPoint or something along that name is extremely realistic.
I want military sim grade phyics. Bullets dropping over range. When some one gets shot. It replicates the results like it would in real life down to limping away as fast as you can if you get shot in the leg.
Yes, OFP (Operation Flashpoint) would be the game. The graphics are not the best (it is an old game), but it has the elements you describe. If you hit someone in the foot, they can only crawl from then on etc... You lead moving targets at distance, bullet drop is also factored in, and even your breath will affect your shooting. Better to not simply run full sprint up to a target before shooting, and yes you can hold your breath before firing too.
I don't want auto-aim, I don't want vehicles, I don't want bunny hopping, I don't want all the other mainstream garbage that over flows the market today. I want everything painfully realistic. If you don't communicate, use stealth, and use full auto in long range engagements you will die over and over again.Well, in OFP you have freedom to do pretty much anything you want, but the thing is that just like in real life you WILL suffer the consequences. Like I said before, better to not run up to your target full sprint before firing as you will be out of breath. You can also run full sprint while firing your weapon, but again, just like in real life you will not hit jack. There is nothing wrong with allowing a player to bunny hop in a tactical shooter. As a matter of fact I would love to see an opponent bunny hop, it would mean they don't have a lick of chance in the world to hit me, but I can easily tag them.
Freedom is what OFP offers you. Want to climb a mountain and snipe people 500 meters down below? Go for it! OFP is still far from being 100% realistic, but it sure beats the pants off of anything else out there. Realism by default = freedom. Restrictions by default = a contrived and fabricated environment. Trust me, OFP may allow you to do almost anything, but most of those elements will simply get you killed. Much like real life, you have to go by the truism of choose wisely.
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Thanks. But that thing about HALO. Have you ever run HALO or HALO2? You will get sniped out of a vehicle. Usually though a grenade winds up flipping the Warthog and ruining the joyride.
OFP is a really good example of a great attempt to allow the evolving situation rather than the devs to limit what a player could and should do in game. It allowed TTPs to control things such as bunnyhopping. Play VBS online in Co-op or adversarial and you can count on one hand the number of jumps someone does before that wind up in the dirt.
The other thing was security protocols have been changed or else Rocky did something and I can now see the forum at the Base. It used to be blocked and I could never figure that out.
True, very true about Halo MP, but you could run the AI over in campaign mode which was something OFP (thanks to BIS) would not even let you do in SP mode.
Bunny hopping should be allowed as you have stated, and this type of thing is what I found disappointing about GR. Heck, in GR I often found it lame that you could not even go close enough to the edge of a cliff to properly get a view to snipe people below. I would even like the ability to fall off a cliff if I get to close to the edge. Another feature that OFP had that I liked.
Good to see that whatever security measures there were in place now let you log in here. I changed jobs, so all the filters at work that I used to have to deal with are no longer there. I can now see where people are from etc... I never knew so many people here on the forums were from the UK. The only bad thing for me is that I'm on the road a lot now (locally), so I'm not on the forum as much.
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All of this sounds very promising. I look forward to what you plan on producing.
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The game will tell you.
On the note of what we discussed earlier, that is exactly why I defend such concepts as removing jumping so players know not to bunny hop. Save the pursuit of perfect realism (which I feel is impossible) there's no need to send players mixed messages.
Then do you think OFP did this poorly too? OFP allowed you to run with your gun shouldered, but of course the sight picture was all over the screen so you could barely see anything. Also, you could fire the gun while in a full sprint, but of course the rounds would be all over the map.
To me this was one of the things that I liked about OFP. It simply put you into a situation and let you do pretty much whatever you wanted. Want to try running people over with a jeep? Well, go for it, but unlike Halo someone will eventually tag you with a round, and end your joy ride. OFP had its issues too, but in my opinion it was by far a better game in virtually ever way than GR could ever be. Well, except for graphics.
Good to see you are back HF, and with a new gig too it seems.
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Yeah, I meant border, but leave it to Snow to point out my error. Not to mention the error I made about it being in the "middle east." I guess my American ignorance of the world is showing... as one of my Brit friends would say.
Ugh, I hate that people around the world see us that way, but unfortunately our public school system stinks. Private schools are without question superior, but that would be a topic for another thread.
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Be safe and we will see you back on these boards.
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Would you say that as he was that bad it didnt matter in the long run that he was killed and do you think at that level nothing was of benefit to others for having him taken out?
That is a tough question. Remember that the people who passed the civil right legislation were the Republicans who jumped on the LBJ position of passing everything in memory of JFK. The move that LBJ made to pass the legislation in memory of JFK swayed a number of Democrats that were holding out, and perhaps would not have been willing to vote yes had JFK lived. Very slick on LBJ's part, and perhaps minorities today would be in a different position today had JFK lived. I don't mean that we would still have segregation, but it could be possible that minorities would have made less progress.
As far as the Fed and the CIA goes, JFK living would have probably been a good thing in some small measure. I say small measure because the Federal Reserve and the CIA could not have been disbanded in the manner that the Bank of the United States was. The people in the US were far better educated on these matter back in those days, and so measures like this would garner much public support.
Think about it, how many people today understand how the Fed works? There would have been little to no public support for this to happen. Think about this, FDR promised that the payroll deduction that he enacted on Macy's advice (yes, the department store), and the increased Federal Tax were only a temporary measure, and that both items would be repealed once the war was over. Well, the withholding and the increase are both still in effect. In essence we are still paying for WWII today. Where is the outcry about all of these crooked measures that FDR enacted.
Look at CEOs of companies today. Where was the public outcry about CEO compensation ten years ago? The problem with America today is that nobody cares about these things anymore. All people want is money, and as long as they have money to spend they could not care one wit about matters such as these. People are only complaining about CEO compensation because their pocketbooks are being squeezed.
Ultimately right now the people love the Fed. People are simply HOOKED on liquidity. Without the Fed the housing market would not have expanded this way, and people would not have been able to cash out billions on their homes every year. We are currently swimming in a sea of liquidity, and people love this.
This is simply how things currently are. None of this would have happened if #1 the Feds were not put into power in 1913, #2 We were not decieved into thinking we were on the gold standard by artificially fixing the price of gold by FDR, rather that fixing each dollar TO gold.
FDR was a sly pig, he knew that in time people would forget, so the income tax increase, the paycheck with holding, and an artificially fixed price of gold would be forgotton.
What is the solution to all of this? Unfortunately we have to wait until the economic climate provides a moment when we can get people's attention. You cannot educate people that are emotionally attached to something, you have to wait until the attachment is broken. Right now you simply cannot educate a people who are unwilling to listen. In time every fiat currency run economy collapses, some call this the Condratief Winter (an economic "supercycle" where all overly inflated assets deflate to a more sensible value). This will happen to us too, it is hard to believe, but no fiat currency can continue to inflate forever, just ask the Japanese, or grandparents who lived through the 30's in the US.
When the hardship arrives people will listen because they will want answers as to "what went wrong". Until then, I will try to spread the word as I am donig now, and wait patiently as we keep marching toward a deflationary decline.
Conspiracies can sometimes be interesting, but they more often than not simply distract people from the more important absolute truths that are out there. Why focus so much energy on conspiracies when you can focus more attention on what you can know to be ABSOLUTELY true.
Here is a politically neutral, and VERY educational site for those who want to know more about the dangers of a fiat currency. The Foundation for the Advancement of Monetary Education
This is the type of stuff that I see conspiracy theorists missing all the time, and frankly, all their rhetoric about the IRS and Feds mean nothing apart from a proper understanding of money. I think many conspiracy theorists mean well, but they have simply gone off the deep end in many cases. This is why I say the Federal Reserve, and big government in general have to LOVE them. So much energy and enthusiasm wasted on stuff that is mostly false. If conspiracy theorists would stop focusing on so much that is simply conjecture, and focus more on the facts, I think there might be more people that would be willing to listen.
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Why would the CIA let the "founder" of the anti-CIA movement live and then go after Kennedy?
Maybe you have to look at where Kennedy's loyalties sat overall compared to Eisenhower, and im talking behind the scenes (if you get me ... wink wink, nudge nudge .. handshake etc). Even top level folk in opposing sides may well be batting for the same team in the longrun, thats the wacky world as it stands now from how I see it.
We agree we dont know 100 percent but with the combination of the 2 points (fed & shaking down the wrong group from the inside) plus lets not forget against what then became the Vientnam War. Soon as he was out they were flipped over and undone most of his work and then the war went ahead. Put it another way, look at what was to gain for removing him and look at what did happen after he was taken out than before.
With Hilter around we fought on the same "team" with them, but as soon as Hitler disappeared, they instantly became our worst enemy.Or you could also say they were the next big fear to bring to the table (War On Terror for example is the new one). The connection between leaders is a small world behind the scenes, but again thats a place most will poo-poo and shut down from looking at, which is a shame.
Actually Calius that would not add up. Kennedy involving the US in the Vietnam War would have found "favor" in the eyes of the Federal Reserve according to conspiracy theorists (LBJ did nothing more that escalate our involvement in the war). Also, remember that with Kennedy's family ties to the Catholic Church, he would have been considered even more "connected" to "insiders" than someone like Eisenhower.
Remember the recession in the 60s? Going along the lines of conspiracy theorists the spending required by the Vietnam War would have been the perfect reason for government expansion, and a way to spend our way out of the 60s recession.
Try reading up on Eisenhower again. He was one of the biggest "enemies" of an overgrown "police state". Eisenhower came from the old school of less government intervention, and more citizen freedom. Kennedy by comparison was all for expansion of the Federal Government. Social programs and many government agencies would have flourished under his administration.
Sorry, but trying to label Kennedy as some sort of hero of freedom is so far from the truth it is not even funny. That is like saying he actually liked blacks. He took the votes, and then listen to the audio tapes of him talking to his brother. Racial slurs were part of his normal speach, and what of his remark "I don't know what to do with these N******" right after blacks gave him all their votes. Then he locks Sammy Davis Jr. out of the White House celebration, and he only eventually let Sammy in because Sinatra and a couple others strong armed him to let Sammy in. Even then Sammy was required to enter through the back door where the "other servants" came through.
Sorry Calius, but if you buy the idea that Kennedy was some sort of champion for freedom, you took the hook line and sinker altogether.
Kennedy's political platform was all for government growth, not a smaller government. People keep championing him like he was some sort of hero and that is nothing but a horrible lie. Same goes for FDR people hail him as some sort of hero and that is also far from the truth.
The facts of history contradict what is being said of him here, and the same goes for people like FDR, Truman, and many others.
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Any firm dates on the new processor yet?
Of course I am also still waiting for OFP to become backward compatible first, so I'll still wait until that happens, but I am still curious as to the status of the new processor. Anyone read anything on this?
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Well, I guess I should not have said "bandwagon", because that is not really what I meant. I just thought it sounded cool.
Seriously though, Eisenhower was the most vociferous person in regard to disbanding the CIA, and even as he left office he continued to voice himself. I would think it would have been very easy to "shut him up" once he left office, and yet that did not happen despite his unwillingness to "let the issue go".
Remember that much of Kennedy's opinions were shaped by Eisenhower's statements, and yet Eisenhower outlived JFK. Eisenhower was the first president to cast condemnation on the CIA, and continued to do so, and that casts doubt on suspecting the CIA as being the primary conspirator. Why would the CIA let the "founder" of the anti-CIA movement live and then go after Kennedy?
I'm not saying it absolutely was not the CIA (I still think it could have been the CIA), but you have to admit that it is still far from being certain at this point. There can be many suspects in a case, but it does not mean that they are all guilty.
As far as the EU goes, yes it is true that it is a union, but again, having a common enemy does not necessarily make one a friend. Look at Russia during WWII. With Hilter around we fought on the same "team" with them, but as soon as Hitler disappeared, they instantly became our worst enemy. The EU has many "friendships" like this, so they unity is at best fragile.
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We agree to differ here as I cant see they 100 percent dont. I see maybe its not as tight as its made out to be, but I wont go as far as an out & out impossibilty. I just look at the E.U as one example and the element of control being sucked together by this. I wont go there with the U.S (Amero arena) but it pretty much showing control is being centralised more and more, banks merging etc to say they 100 percent cannot work together is a place I cant go just by looking around day by day.
I think you are looking at the E.U. on the surface only. Remember that the E.U. is not about unity, it is just a response to Dollar Diplomacy. Remember that term? Today it is called Dollar Hegonomy, so the E.U. is not as "unified" as you think. You really cannot call law suits being launched at by one nation to another, and some threatening to break away a unified front. There is MUCH more happening behind the scene. Understand that this was considered the lesser of two "evils" that many E.U. nations felt they had take in order to challenge the US dollar as a reserve currency.
Is it any wonder that with the strength of the British Pound those in England did not want to join? The strength of the Pound would have been diluted in the E.U., so it was a natural barrier to the British joining the E.U. I guarantee you that in the future if the strength of the Pound were to falter, then England will be right in line to join the E.U. The E.U. is about offering an alternative currency to the world, not about Europe's unity.
The thing that makes me doubt Kennedy's demise being a government conspiracy is the fact that Eisenhower was even more vociferous about the CIA than Kennedy was. I'm not saying that Kennedy absolutely could not have been taken out by conspirators, I'm am just saying that I have my doubts. I certainly believe that there could have been a conspiracy, I am just not 100% sold on it yet, and considering that fifteen years have gone by since I first heard this (I know that the theory itself is even older than that) and no new evidence has surfaced on it yet, I will wait until more "proof" is found before I am willing to jump on the bandwagon.
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I just picked up the original version of GR for Xbox a few days ago and me and my son are hooked.
I'm already a Tom Clancy fan as I've read all of his novels, and GR just adds to it.
Have some newbie questions for all you GR experts...
1)Xbox manual is very light on details regarding...this is more of a comment
*Specialists
*Medals & Campaign Ribbons
Q) Is there a more detailed Manual of GR for Xbox I can get my hands on?
2)Regarding Specialist Will Jacobs, we've completed M01 a number of times and have captured Papashvili and got him back to the Extraction point OK, but Will Jacobs is still not Unlocked???
I can't find him at all under my available Specialists? We've done both Campaigns and Quick Missions.
Q)Is this a glitch or did we do something wrong on M01? Again, we finished ALL mission tasks successfully.
2)While reviewing RECON section of this site, I see a more detailed description of Medals & Campaign Ribbons.
GR Manual for Xbox makes NO mention of these.
I do see medals assigned to individual soldiers after a mission. (Purple Hearts for now)
I saw printscreens of the After Action screen on this forum (Mission Walkthroughs) which is different from what I see in Xbox.
Q)Is the "After Action" screen I saw above for the PC version only?
The screen I get after a mission is done looks different in Xbox.
Q)Does Xbox version show Campaign Ribbons as well?
Sorry for the laundry list.
Thanks for your help!
Razov09
Actually all of those things you mention are in the Xbox version.
The medals are awarded to you as you achieve all of the objectives in the dossier.
The After Action screen comes up and gives you details in regard to Alpha's stats and Bravo's stats, and also info on each soldier you had on the mission.
As far as Will Jacobs goes, are you completing the mission in coop mode or in SP mode? All the missions need to be run in SP mode in order to unlock all the specialists.
Good Luck!
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I have to agree with those who say more realism in how the weapons are implemented is more important than simply more weapons.
I also, have to agree with the assessment of the .50BMG that many have brought up. I remember in [GR] how you basically ran around with the .50 like it was an M4 and you could even shoot it from an upright position. I don't have a problem with someone wanting a .50 in the game, but it should be just as difficult to use as it is in real life. For starters you should not be able to run with it like you can with an M4, and you should not be able to shoot it from an upright position.
Next, although the 7.62mm round is very effective, I personally would want to see something with a bit more range. A .300SAUM or 7mm STW would make for an excellent round that has far superior range over the 7.62mm, but the rifle would not be so cumbersome as a .50.
Overall, a broad weapons list is nice, but requiring adjustments for bullet drop, and the need to lead moving targets at distance would be much more important features IMO.
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Those are good points Calius, but there is a distinction between infighting and the goal of destroying your "enemy". If the French could have it their way, they would have run us into the ground, except that Nixon saved our country's gold. People only see Nixon pulling us off of the gold standard, but the reality was that we never were on the gold standard.
FDR was probably the most corrupt president in the history of the US. I won't go into all of his history, but one thing that did happen in his administration was that the price of gold was artificially fixed, and I say artificially, because money was still flying off of the presses. For those who don't know this, fixing the price of gold does not put one on the gold standard, only fixing every dollar in print to gold does this, so in essence you cannot print anymore money unless more gold is mined.
Anyway, France kept demanding gold for payment of debts, and other nations followed suit. Finally Nixon stepped in and stopped the bleeding. Had Nixon not done this, our country would literally be bankrupt today. As much as we say gold is not money, the fact is that gold is still the only money. Anyone that disputes this is clearly missing the facts. Gold has passed through every empire and nation of wealth, and one has to answer why China is the nation that is growing the most rapidly, and it is also the nation whose gold reserves are also rising at the most rapid pace.
Anyway, I don't want to get too sidetracked, but the fact of the matter is that Central banks are nothing new, even to this country. Remeber the Bank of America? Central banks have come and gone throughout history, and nations have come and gone, with some going bankrupt. Each country and fractional banking system are constantly at war with one another. This is not infighting, nations have disappeared, and central banks have disappeared on account of this.
Calius, I hear what you are saying, but I don't think you realise the degree to what you call "infighting" goes. What happens among nations and central banks is not infighting. When you run another country or fractional banking system into bankrupcy, or cause its demise or disappearance, this is not infighting.
I can see how it may look like infighting from the outside, but if you look into the history of gold, fiat currency, fractional banking, and nations, you will quickly realise that what you call infighting is actually all out war.
Now again, I can see how our own fractional banking system could have "called" for Kennedy's death, that theory is one that I would not dare say is 100% false, but to say that the fractional banks of the world are working together? I can assure you that this is 100% false.
Regardless of these facts, the US Federal Reserve acting on its own calling for Kennedy's death is an interesting one. Considering that the former Bank of America was dissolved, one has to really think that the current fractional banks probably did not want history repeating itself. Is it possible?
Hints of a game to come from BFS....
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I have not posted much in this thread, but I have been following it, and this is becoming more and more interesting by the minute. My last PC croaked, and I can't afford to mess with this one, so I'm really hoping this title also makes it onto the 360. I figure if BIS can put OFP onto the old Xbox, maybe BFS could get this thing onto the 360. I am keeping my fingers crossed.