semjonov
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Just order it online, the cheapest place I found is www.play.com £25
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The game really need to support it if you are gonna have any advantage with your dual-core. Right now it it is usually better to not buy an dual-core but instead buy a cheaper single-core cpu (That probably will be faster at this point.), who now how long it will take untill the games really take advantage of dual-core? Or 64-bit cup:s for that mather.
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6600le, do not even bother buying a second one. Didn´t even know they made an le version. Just buy an 7900gt or if on a budget an 7600gt.
And also, I thought everyone understands swedish, jag är i varje fall expert...;o)
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Dual core cpu?
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So what kind of computers have the game been tested on by people that gotten to try it? I havent found any preview stating what kind of setup they where testing it on?
Recommended and minimum usually just mean:
If you pass minimum the game will run at 5fps
If you pass recommended you will have like 15 fps with high settings or something like that.
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You guys are right about the video cards though. Gets really annoying that like only a few months after i got the 6600 (second newest card at the time), it was outdated by ANOTHER new 500 buck card.
Well the 6600 serious has never been a high end card just so you know so you cant complain about being smashed by a $500 card.
The recommendation on nvidia cards is probably buy an 7900gt version with fast memory because they overcock like a madman. I seeen people go something like 700/2000 when increasing the voltage, it is so bloody insane I am actually thinking about selling of my new 7800gt....it is insanely fast when overclocked. Most people don´t get 700/2000 but 600+ on core and 1600 on memory is not unusual.
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So no one that gets to play and does previews checks out what kind of computer hardware they are running stuff on?
=)
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May, well, lets hope it doesnt turn into another Rs: letdown.
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I don´t have a clue what you are saying.
"THe general rule is to buy the lastest generation even if it is only a medium card , becuyase a medium card of the lastest generation will be as powerfull as a high card from the last generation and the new one will problay last even longer as it is based on newer technology ( pixcel shaders for exmaple ) ."
Last, lastest, you got me confused.
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Seriously, if it looks like those pics now that I studied them they can take that game and stuff it some place dark.
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Jay, I was happy until I heard someone mention starforce, maybe I should just buy an xbox and leave this drm/starforce/worm/virus infected world. I am still really unhappy that Sony got of so bloody cheap for their crap.
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Dean, the only forced upgrade on nvidia that i have seen has been for battlefield 2. I have a TI4600 ultra that wouldn't play it, but kicks the crap out of my other pc's fx5800 on all other games (160fps as opposed to 60 or less in GR for example)
Even the cheaper 6600GT's can run almost every game out there at 1024x768 on high, even BF2 with no video lag.
The only forced upgrades besides that is those that bought cheap mx cards that can barely keep up. You get what you pay for rather with ATI or Nvidia. go for the 150-200 and up range and you will get a good 4 years + out of your card. (my TI4600 is 4 years now)
In the rate the computer graphics get updated I wouldn´t recommend buying a low end card and hoping for four years of gaming. Well, maybe I shouldn´t say that because some people might like their 320x480 resolution and their 20fps at that setting.
I would like to see someone with a 6600gt run FEAR and COD2 at 1024x768 with high settings. BF2 is hardly as taxing as these games that truly runs like crap on most rigs.
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Generally, they mean different processing speeds and a different number of pixel pipelines enabled.
For example:
6800 GS -- coreclock-425MHz / memoryclock-1GHz / pixelpipes-12
6800 GT -- coreclock-350MHz / memoryclock-1GHz / pixelpipes-16
7800 GT -- coreclock-400MHz /memoryclock-1GHz / pixelpipes-20
7800GTX -- coreclock-430MHz /memoryclock-1.2GHz /pixelpipes-24
These are, to the best of my knowledge, NVidia's reference design numbers. Various manufacturers will have cards with higher mem and core clocks, which is basically just a factory overclock.
For the cards out now, within a given series(6800, 7800, etc.), the GTX outperforms the GT, which in turn outperforms the GS.
--Logos
And to complicate it more the 6800gs agp version is clocked lower but can usually be unlocked to 16 pipes.
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"And there's your big difference between manufacturers: the quality of the components used.
For example, not all capacitors are made the same. There may be people here who remember Gainward's 4200Ti and the few cents they saved on four crappy capacitors that ended up in "pink screens of death" during cold weather and a subsequent incredibly expensive recall. In another example, Abit, shortly after Oskar Wu left, started using cheap capacitors on motherboards and their overall stability and overclockability suffered immensely. This is reason enough to stick with the first tiers, namely MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte (DFI for overclocking)-- you can generally trust that they're using quality parts."
Well actually you could probably make a long list of mainboard manufacturers that have use bad condensators. Some changed to the cheaper ones thinking that they would save a couple of bucks and some accidently bought pirated when they thought they bought quality, if I remember correctly.
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The biggest difference beween mainboard manufacturers are usuall just memory compatibility and overclocking options. And i must also disagree on the part that the video card is not the most important thing in the setup. I really think it is, if you play games. Of course a high-end card doesnt help if the rest of the stuff is crap, you need a balance.
I haven´t even played the Lockdown demo, but it didn´t excactly look like a 2006 game to me, the screens I seen (Maybe just old ones?) didn´t even have shadows on the characters and the rest looked a bit old, but maybe I just have to check around more.
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I must say after playing COD2 and some other games I really have started to like ironsights. It makes you more into the game when you have your rifle and bang, right in the head and the helmet goes flying....
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The moment people started to cough out $700 was a bad day for the rest of us. Just that 512MB gtx cards are very hard to find because the rare ones that show up get bought the moment they hit the shelfes just say: "We can charge as much as we wan´t, people will buy it anyway".
Well, and about the 6800gt/gs again, I am shure they will get you through the year, but with low graphic settings, don´t expect miracles. And also some people will play anything at 20fps and think that it is smooth, well, it ain´t for me! Of course if you wan´t to play BF2 it will work, but BF2 is NOT one of the most demanding games, try COD2 and FEAR, jikes, they make most computers cry...
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And also for the people planning to buy new computer stuff just for GRAW. It is over three months there and that is if it get released on time. Even if it get released on time it is not shure that the stuff that are most worth to buy right now still is then, there might have come a $200-250 card that reallly whop an 7800gt or it might be just that a 7800gt costs a lot less. By the way ther have started to pop up 7800gt cards with 512MB of relatively high speed memory, a tad expensive right now but who knows?
I bought my new stuff mostly for COD2 and FEAR, considering that my 6800gt just didn´t cut it for those games I certainly think that it will be a tough 2006 for the 6800 cards.
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Just had to say that I put the new stuff in my computer now.
Leadtek 7800gt and I switched one of my meories to a 1GB so now I have 1.5GB total. I thinking about testing a 1GB stick more that I have on my desk, but I am not shure it is compatible with my mainboard, thinking about just sending it back and I can´t do that if I used it.
COD2 really runs like a dream now, at same settings as my 6800gt i probably get usually 30-100% better framerate. I was amazed by the performance in some places. I still use 2xAA and 4xAF, 1024x768, everthing at high except smoke that is on lowest. I usuallly get above 50fps when going through smoke.
Didn´t overclock as good as I hoped for but I get about 8000p in 3dmark 05. But Fear runs a lot better but COD as i mentioned runs like a dream. Now I just have to test it online.
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As far as I know the X-fi don´t help much in games compared to a regular Audigy, but everything is better than onboard audio. Also in some games it is very important to have updated sound drivers. Also in some games you might need to change the sound settings to lower, I remember playing COD1 and at the last level I got double the framerate when turning of eax with my audigy. Also gofing around with the sund settings in FEAR and there one of the eax settings gave the best framerate, but the difference there was small.
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He got 6000p in 3dmark 05 with an 6600gt, I was like ###### thats even a couple more points more than my 6800gt. After that I realised it was sli....=)
see, again, its all Charlie Brown to me: WaaWaa WaaWaa waawaaa...I don't know what that means. Is that good?
PC Gamer and Falcon-NW said this two 6600GT was better on one game SC:Chaos Theory. At the time of build, that was the game I was building my pc for.
Monkey see-monkey do approach.
So again, is it good?
Yes, 6000p in 3dmark 05 is really good. Think I got my 6800gt up to 5700 when overclocked but it gets problem in that high speeds in some games then. But the 6600gt sli will probably get is butt handed to it in most games by the same card. The design of the cards, 128MB with memory and also the 128bit architecture drags it down.
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Well, as he said a lot of games has an benchmark thing. Some games like FEAR has the benchmark thing clearly visible in the options, but for just that game thebenchmark do not reflect actuall gameplay. Allmost all games has an option to run on an fps counter, if not you can use frapsm don´t affect framerate to much as long as you don´t record.
He got 6000p in 3dmark 05 with an 6600gt, I was like ###### thats even a couple more points more than my 6800gt. After that I realised it was sli....=)
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Don´t miss out on the Cod2 singleplayer part that is really awesome. For multi it seems to lack a lot of things.
And for people claiming the 6800gt/gs is a really good card at COD2:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/call_o...vidia/page5.asp
I wouldn´t excactly call that performance good.
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I said it once and I'l say it again: geforce 6800GS. $200 and it will play any game that comes out this year, and part of next year on highest settings. Will last 4-5 years turning down the settings.
Your statement is incorrect. Do you have a 6800GS?
I am running a 6800GT which is clocked faster than a 6800GS and the GT struggles playing the latest high-end games (BF2, COD2) at decent framerates (consistent >40-60fps) at higher resolutions (i.e. >1024x768) with all the graphics settings turned up.
The 6800GS will play any game that comes out this year (but not much faster than a 6600GT), and maybe the next 1-2 years.
In 2-3 years, many new games will be using the PS3/Xbox 360 spec as the miniumum (i.e. GF 7800/X1800 level graphics).
Yes, a 6800 gt/gs card just won´t cut it. My 6800gt have horrible problems with COD2 (On most resolutions actually.) 1024,2xAA, 4xAF 25-50fps in singleplayer, the odd thing is that lowering the settings on textures and stuff don´t do much. I can barely run FEAR at 1024, 2AA, 2xAF with texture and some other settings at medium, but in that game it seems like I have to little ram!
Cutting down the AA to nothing helps a little, but make everything horrible jaggy, maybe gain 10fps in both games.
Also the 6800gs on agp is clocked lower than the one on pci-e but and is also more expensive (But the agp version can have pipes unlocked apparently, they both have only 12 vs 16 on the gt and ultra 6800 cards.), about $80 I guess here in Sweden, apparently some kind of bridge thing is needed for the agp card (I haven´t got this confirmed just what I read on a forum.) so you might aswell buy a cheap mainboard that supports you cpu (If you don´t want to upgrade that) and has pci-e for the $80.
I get my 7800gt tomorrow and I will slap everything into the computer and sell of the other stuff as fast as possible before the 6800gt card loses to much value. I hope to get a good buck for it because high end nvidia/ati cards for agp is kind of expensive here ...;o)
Oh, I also bought more ram because 1024MB barely cuts it...
So if you guys buy a card for high end gaming do NOT buy anything less than a 7800gt or you will regret it. How the 7800gs (Are there actually coming one, they denied it at least once?) will do is for the future to se, if there really comes one this year.
This is with a:
3400+@2600Mhz
1024MB ram
6800gt
Soundblaster audigy
Edit: I still think a 6800gt/gs is a fast card but some new games demands is bloody redicolous. A 6800gs is a good upgrade for a "cheap" buck if you like gaming with high settings on you will really need atleast a 7800gt, thats a minimum. But the step above that is up to the 512MB high end ati/nvidia cards and those are redicelously expensive. And don´t go out and think that "I will just buy two cheaper cards and run sli". Buying something like 2x6600gt and expect miracles is stupid, you could as well buy an 6800gs and get as good performance (Or maybe better I think). Also thinking, I will buy this good card and buy another one later is not an option, for after a year or two you can probably sell of your old card and get a new card that blows your sli planned setup away with the money you get for your old card and the money you planned to use on buying the other card for sli.
Found some benchies on the 6600gt sli, it get whopped by an 6800gt.
I bet there probably are somethimes it can do better than a gt but it is more expensive to but two cards than the faster singlecard. There is also the need for the sli-motherboard that is a tad more expensive.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=930&page=6
Edit: About 7800gt vs 7800gtx. I don´t think the price difference really makes sense because they are to close performance wise. The really big and hugely costly step is up to the 512MB nvidia gtx card that got superfast memory and are clocked high like hell, but that one is REALLY expensive, I don´t feel like the ATI x1800xt 512MB card is anywhere near it in performance, but it is a good bit cheaper, at least here.
Edit2: (More like edit5 but I cheated a little.) You are gonna need at least 1.5GB ram this year for running games in high settings.
Edit:3 (More like edit7 but I cheated some more) 7800gt, decent price high performance. It is like 50%, often more like 30-40%, faster in some games than the 6800gt (But I must say that it was a bit of an impulse buy for me, the 6800gt=>7800 difference is not huge, but my 6800gt does not overclock very well, not at all basically so I am hoping for the 7800gt and overclock it a lot, I probably get a good amount of cash for the 6800card so it is not like I spent a huge amount of money for a "small" upgrade.).
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Upgrade guide:
6800gt/gs minimum upgrade, do NOT buy anything slower
7800 decent price high performance
x1800xl to slow for its price
7800gtx to slow for its price
x1800xt expensive, really fast
7800gtx 512MB very, very expensive! Really really fast!!!!!
If you got an insane amount of money get the 7800gtx 512MB, I could, but I rather pay on my student loan. There we could talk about an insane amount of money....
If you got an computer with high end cpu and everything contemplate buying a new mainboard with pci-e and a an pci-e graphics card. Then you can easily upgrade the vga card later then. If you buy an agp-card it is both more expensive and you don´t get the easy vga upgrade later.
If you got a low end computer, sell everything and buy everything new. The new pci-e mainboard you can easily plug a better card into later so if you cant afford a really good card you can just upgrade the one you buys later.
I would not recommend going sli at any time! Reason mentioned above...somewhere. And buy 2GB of RAM! Go AMD, cheapest is singlecore, dualcore don´t mather much right now and costs the double for an equally fast cpu in games that got no support. Jesus, that was a huge post.....
PreOrder Status?
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You forgot the free shipping....;o)
£25 for you brits.