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Lawyer Gag
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But lawyer jokes are cool right?
How do you stop a lawyer from drowning?
Take your foot off his head.
How many lawyers does it take to pave a driveway?
Depends how thin you slice them.
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For the Army, it looks like they took the three colors most common to both woodland and desert and slapped them together. Thing is it's too dark to work in the desert all that well - maybe rocky scrub. In the woods it would do alright but then practically any combination of earthy greens and browns will do that. Again I think they should have at least a separate digital pattern for the desert.
As for the Airforce - I guess they had it designed by Stevie Wonder or something.
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Naah I don't believe the SBS would bother disguising themselves as regular Marines - at least not to teh extent they'd ditch their M4s. I'd say Avey has hit the nail on the head.
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"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:38:45 RSV)
Or you can just say "Screw it, I'm gonna bomb Iraq!"
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Absolute Classic Kewl - can I have a link to more?There's no point blaming a whole religion for the acts of terrorists. IMO the best way to avoid trouble is to leave other people aone. I'm not saying turn the other cheek, but there is no point in picking a fight where there is no need for one.
When the terrorists strike, we should strike back and strike hard.
But by invading Iraq unwanted and unsanctioned by the international community, the coalistion stirred up a hornet's nest. While the actions of terrorists these days are dispicable, our leaders must shoulder at least some of the blame for starting this mess in the first place.
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I agree wholeheartedly. A game can't have too much of the boredom between shots and it cannot simulate (tastefully) the suffering of battle. However in GR we seemed to have more so-called realism than what we've seen so far from GR2:
Special forces teams might operate in 4 man teams but a single team is probably a little light for the intensity of action that the GR2 video showed. Stealth won't be a solution either, I'd wager: I saw a lot of action packed, scripted scenes in tehre and the game looks designed to be a run-and-gunner. Two or more teams would be better if the battlefield is going to be that busy.
That upcoming Close Combat version with a Marine fire team looks good if they can - or want to - pull it off properly. I can only hope that the player's team is part of a larger platoon and not a one-man army.
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SBS guys got caught skulking around perhaps? In any case what Iran dreads more than anything is the war spilling over into their country and their own regime getting toppled. They'll hand them back son.
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I agree Fusaki - tactically it doesn't make sense to stir up anger and make more enemies. Hearts and Minds can win a war as effectively as bullets and bombs, but will leave a lot more people standing.
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Now the airforce is jumping on the bandwagon with an Ugly Blue Tigerstripe. Personally I think they should use a digital to keep in line with the others, but develop their own pattern and shades.
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That just never gets tired
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Its plain to see that your against the US for the war in iraq and in ghanny
Okay Soldier you're new here so I'm saying this for your own good. Aside from the forum rules, which we're all stretching just by discussing this, there are protocols and there is etiquette as well. Before accusing anyone of having any political bent or opinion, ask us what we think. Don't put words in our mouth. I promise you'll get an honest answer or at the very least a 'no comment'.
There's no need to take a poll, but I'd be willing to bet that everyone here supports the effort in Afghanistan. I know I do. Discussing Iraq opens a can of worms in many ways because there are people who support the policy and those who don't. We're all fans of the military here but we have differing opinions on how best to deploy them.
And yes, we all support the troops (and I'm getting real tired of reaffirming this). Just because some of us may be against torture being committed by our side, don't paint us with the traitor's brush. It's a cheap tactic to try and win an argument by discrediting the opposition.
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Sorry guys, I'm a late comer to the thread. These maps look awesome! IMO the far cry engine would suit GR just fine. Are you actually going to try and replicate the missions and gameplay of the SP experience?
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Well put Kwel. When fighting a war against a certain tactic, what good does it do to employ the same tactic? We can say'fight fire with fire' all we like but then fire still exists right? Fighting terror with terror will have the same result.
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Thera are funny one's in NZ but because of their long and tongue-tied Maori names:
Whakawerawera
Whongamomona
Whangapaoroa
Papatoetoe
Matamata
Maungaturoto
Maungatepere
Kawakawa
Otorahanga
Eketahuna
Ngaruwahia
Punakaiki
Omarama
Kaitangata and...
...Clinton
The funny thing is these sound nice when pronounced properly (phonetics in Maori are similar to Japanese: very simple). But when whitey tries them on we always mess it up and the resluts can be amusing.
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When people talk about the GC, its funny how people seem to forget
about daniel pearl, nick berg, paul johnson, that italian hostage and robert jacobs.
It ain't funny and we didn't forget. "Well they're terrorist scumbag (allegedly) and if they do that sort of thing to us we should not treat them humanely." I suppose anyone who doesn't get that is missing some kind of 'big picture'?
Here's the big picture: we're better than them and the GC proves it.
Should the need for revenge trump the Geneva Convention. Should even the immediate needs of intelligence officials? Troops in the field? We remember these acts and the Convention stands as a binding contract that civilised nations have entered not to sink to that level.
Now if say as in the movie Rules of Engagement a soldier in the field roughs a proisoner up - even executes one - to save his buddies there needs to be an inquiry. The courts should decide whether punishment is necessary. That's the system. They might acquit him, but process must take place. The GC and each military's own regulations are set up to ensure this.
If terrorists they choose to break these laws - to which they are also subject as combatants - then it will one day catch up with them. They'll be killed or captured and if captured should be tried. The offense could be as minor as fighting without a uniform or serious as killing a civilian, but they'll be punished. If they can't be caught, then it does no good strapping electrodes to someone else's testicles.
Most of the people detained at Abu Ghraib were held for months without due process or trial and without formal charges being filed. They were rounded up on suspicion of participating in resistance activities, or being members of the previous regime or being involved in attacks on coalition troops and foreigners. Some were just street criminals. Some were wrongly arested because of false intelligence. Many of the people detained -including come of those tortured - were subsequently released without charge. One can only assume these were not guilty of any wrongdoing. Who are we to blame that some shopkeeper, who ended up in that jail because he was snitched on my a neighbour with a grudge, for a crime someone else committed?
It is not for us, the guards at the prison, or even Donald Rumsfeld to judge them or lump them in with the terrorists who beheaded Nick Berg. That's a job for the law.
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Look, when you get angry with the enemy it is easy to argue that the rules can be broken - especially when the enemy do the same. However in the long run the erosion of laws will do more harm than good.
Broken Record Alert: The more the US follows the rules, the better the chance that its own POWs will be treated well. When we condone torture against our enemies, we invite them - all of them present ad future - to do the same to us.
Yes the al Qaeda treat prisoners inhumanely (most of those Baathist and Shiite insurgents treated their prisoners well). The angry mobs in Mogadishu and more recently the ones that desecrated the bodies of security contractors in Fallujah had probably never even heard of the Geneva Convention but that doesn't mean we can pretend we haven't.
Under what authority can the leader of any signatory nation reinterpret the rules that have been set in stone for over half a century?
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They were talking about the cleaning bills
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I recall seeing so many m16 variants in books, games, shows and sites
I've seen, more or less chronologically
Early days:
AR10 orginal Stoner design in 7.62mm prototype with Wooden furniture
AR15, 5.56 version with plastic parts
Vietnam:
M16, Army designation of above. The name AR15 seems to have been carried over to civilian models however
M16A1, improved for jungle warfare with new flash suppressor and plunger on the side to help cleaning
XM177E1 first shorty with collapsible stock
XM177E2 same but with that extra long flash hider
M653/655 Someone help me here - these are the first intermediate length ones looking more like M4s but I dunno the difference between the two numbers. The Israelis always seem to have this as standard
Post Vietnam:
M733 (?) that BHD D-boy carbine looks the same as XM177E1 to me
M16A2 improved A1; new handguard, inch longer stock, heavier barrey, new rearsight, that deflector for spent cases and a few other little bits and pieces; full auto changed to 3 rnd burst
Unknown Carbine - There's one looks just like the M4 but the carry handle is fixed. SpecOps used this through 80s and 90s; anyone know the name? This was full auto. Saw this in a SEALS documentary.
Post Gulf War:
M4 same carbine setup but with removable handle as EricJ said. 3rd burst?
M4A1 has full auto, right?
M4SOCOM is there one with 3rd burst AND full auto? Some games have it.
Post 2000:
M16A3 full auto version of A2 with detachable handle and full auto
M16A4 as above but with 3 rd burst
And various civilian variations. Makers seem to be Colt, FN Herstal, Bushmaster and a few smaller factories making civilian variants. Until the M4 became so prolific the carbines (177,653,655,733 etc) seemed to be universally referred to as CAR-15s. CAR stands for Colt Automatic Rifle?
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Does it have neat features like voices for the actors and stuff the war GR does? The impression I have is of a deep, immersive, but rather dry simulation.
I will play it and enjoy it as a game, so I'd like to see some game-like features.
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These are all in the UK. For more US and UK ones click the link.
Climping
Crackaig
Crackpot - see picture below!
Eric Gotobed
Goonbelle
Middle Wallop
Wormelow Tump
Yonder Bognie
Box Tunnel
Crab Hole
Bullyhole Bottom
Butt Hatch
Lusty Hill
Sodom
Zig-Zag Hill
Cuckoo's Knob
Pratts Bottom
Nudigate
Wide Open
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and besides only a few soldiers got caught doing this
but that doesnt mean the other 135,000 are just like'm.
i agree too, support the soldiers.
Sure we need to support the troops. Everyone here does. Even that phantom menace, the 'liberal media'. So far nobody has blamed the average GI in boots for this, so who's not supporting the troops?
Supporting them doesn't mean ignoring it when a few of the troops screw up. Nor does it mean not questioning whether the powers above them have decided to abandon the constitution and the Geneva convention. the Geneva convention applies to occupiers and occupied alike, even foreign fighters and insurgents have provisions. Congress ratified the treaty and the Defense Dept. does not have the authority to sidestep that. Nor does the executive Branch. Not even the President. Nobody is above the law.
As for the 9/11 families, let's leave them out of it as it has been proven time and again that there was no connection between Iraq and 9/11. Even if in their grief and anger they would approve of the torture (and that's a big if), they have no authority to overturn US involvement in a legally binding international treaty.
And if you want US troops to be treated well when they are captured, then that is what the treaty if for. The more who honor it, the better the chances that it will protect the people it was supposed to protect.
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Quite actually in some cases, you can hide in standard (current) Army woodland pattern. I remember in Basic some soldiers had to relieve themselves, and they walked into the treeline, and "dissapeared". So it's also a matter of location and distance that the observer is looking. But then again, as Wireknight77 pointed out, it may help from surveillance planes/sattelites than the current scheme.
And budgie, more likely 50 meters. For some reason we use Imperial, but distances are in Metric military-wide (excepting the Chair Farce). Weird, but it's there.
Yeah 50 meters sounds more like it. I think you guys use metrics to keep up with everyone else - something about having to use foreign maps and measurements so often.
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Yeah I read somewhere (maybe official site?) that MARPAT was optimized for 50 meters. Or was it 50 feet? I also read that the pixels have a greater chance of distorting the wearer's outline so it's hard for a shooter to determine where the man stops and the trees start.
I didn't know that the pixels reduce night vision sig as well. But it stands to reason since in the 70s the US experimented with that night camo with squares to fool NV until they realized they were unlikely to fight anyone who actually had significant NV capability.
But I think the new pattern looks fine (in photos where it appears green anyway). Am I the only one?
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Apparently only available in US thru one distributor. Don't know if they distribute to civilians or private owners.
Anyone else can buy it thru the online store.
No off the shelf versions. I sure wish they'd release it as an off-the-shelf game at a reasonable price. The TacSim world would swallow it up. There'd be no more need for action-themed military shooters; they'd all be relegated to console gamers.
ATTENTION ATTENTION - Close Combat: First To Fight
in PC Games
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I don't mind playing as the leader os a single fireteam as long as we are part of a larger platoon and not a four-man army. I want to get orders from squad and platoon leaders and then execute them in the manner I see fit so that my team contributes to the larger force in a meaningful way.
But if it's just the four of us out there in scripted, tailored missions, there's not much point - it's been done by everyone and his dog anyway: GR (2), H&D, SOCOM, SEALTeam (1993!!!), Conflict Desert Storm, SPECOPS and whatever, the list goes on. Give us something new!