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I do not believe it is effective and takes months to "crack", how can they say that in light of R6:Lockdown (appeared on P2P the same week of release)?
Ok if this is true, was the hack complet or just a partial hack?
I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't true, full working versions of R6:LD on P2P networks on the day of release.
So the question that would come from this is:
Why put so much extra software on a computer that does not seem to do the job it was designed for.??????
And how much money could be saved by the consumer if no protection was included.??????
I take it the end game is to protect the product and its makers, but if the software does not do this then why bother??????
Colin
Some of us have been asking that very question for years.
But the companies like Ubi swear that it's effective. It's the same thing with DVD movies.
They can all be ripped and DL'd.
Like Raton says, some of this stuff turns people towards it even, along with high prices.
If they forewent the copy protection and lowered the prices, it's thought by some that a big dent in piracy could be made, just because then, everyone, or more people anyway, could actually afford to go out and buy the product.
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Use Opera. In the transfer window you can paste the flash files path into a little box and it will download it.
You just couldn't resist, could ya, bud?
To find the path to the flash file you will need to view the source of the web page.
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Because I assume that post originate from other forum, and people in here quote these post and put links up for them. Some of these forums and posts are very suspect in them selves.
If we use another forum and its post to bolster the against argument.
This has been done on this forum.
Its one of the reasons for this original post, to get first hand feedback.
But we haven't linked to anything in this thread. No need to assume anything. And people link to other sites all the time to provide sources for where they got their information, so that it can be verified and shared.
Ok if this is true, was the hack complet or just a partial hack?Has it been proved to be hacked by one of our members, has he or she completly hacked the game.
I myself would like to have some form of protection for the game.
Complete crack. It allows the game to be played without the CD. Most all games have cracks released within days of their release, even to include serial numbers so that they can be played, even if it's only single-player. Happens all the time, and it takes nowhere near months to see them pop-up on the internet. So, someone makes an ISO of the game, it doesn't need to play. The ISO will just tell you to insert the CD. Then you go get the [Thing that should not be spoken of here] , and your off to the races. No, it doesn't allow you to play on the net MP, because you have to have a valid serial for that, but it is cracked, nonetheless. And I have heard of planty of people that have used key and activation generator programs that allow use of copy protected software. It's actually done all of the time.
That statement was inaccurate. very much so.
I can't speak to PHYSICAL damage of componenets, however I have seen this program mess with the ordinary way a drive works, such as not being able to eject, the right click eject option not working, and some drives not even being able to read it(the most common), as well as some people not being able to read CD's placed in the drive directly following a game with this software on it, without a reboot.
The post above was just a form of information about what has been going on and some facts about the software no more no less.Actually, that post gave us nothing more than a look at some of the problems they reportedly have on their forums, more than anything concerning StarForce itself.
To be honest really this software is checked by hundreds of techs all over the globe, from different companies, and yes a few people here are not happy with it, this is why we need to sort it out one way or another, after all most of us use Ubisoft games at one point or another, if carry on using this software, we need to be heard.
I also feel that this guy can come in here and talk to us on a personnel level without reproach, unlike the Ubi forum where moderating seems to be very low, no offence to those that moderate at UBI.
I don't see where that post had anything at all to do with the StarForce copy protection scheme. It looked like an outing at someone else's forum boards.
Also, it's not just a few people here who aren't happy with it. There are legitimate issues, and with more than just a few people here, if they are having those kinds of problems on their forum boards.
And, I think if you want to have a legitimate thread here, it ought to be strictly technical, not bringing in all that other stuff in that post, that has us all going "######"?
Afterall, other people's forum issues aren't our issues.
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I looked up Dark Angel and I don't know what it is, but she just looks really young to me. Maybe it is because I'm not 21 anymore, but when I look at her the words that come to mind are: "look but don't touch, you could end up in jail".
I think the term from back in the day is "Jailbait."
She looks like jailbait.
Penelope who?
Hey budgie, I only ever heard of Lucy Liu on that list. ROFL
Good to see ya again. 
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The second link in your last post is a copy of the first link in your first post.
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Before this goes off to another planet.
Couple facts about the software.
I got this this morning.
Star force Software:
This protection system is now used in all of the major games released by Ubisoft, such as Splinter Cell 3. Heroes 5, hopefully, belongs to that category.
Why do we use this protection system?
The main reason is simple: this is the most efficient protection system against piracy. Games rarely get cracked with it, and when they do, it takes quite a long time. For instance Splinter Cell 3, released in March, has not been completely cracked yet.
I don’t think I need to explain why a publisher needs to protects its games against piracy.
What are the reported problems with this protection?
I will list here the real problems, reported to our support department, about Star force, and detail what, indeed, cannot be done with a game protected by Star force.
Some users reported that the game wouldn’t launch. Others, although less numerous, that a drive disappeared from their list of drives. This can happen in case of driver conflict (and we all encountered that when using Windows). Uninstalling the game and the protection had the drive reappear, of course, and replacing the game disc generally fixed both issues.
Star force doesn’t uninstall automatically when you uninstall a game protected with it. This is due to how this protection is done. It can anyway be removed easily at any time, using tools provided by their company. Of course if you launch the game after removing the protection system, it won’t work.
The only real issues I can see is that you need to insert the CD to launch a game, effectively preventing the use of ISO versions, and that you can’t make a backup of the disc. These points cannot be resolved, as it would lead to very simple copying of the game, and thus, the protection would be made useless. However, in the case of disc damaging through normal use, it would of course be replaced by support.
Some Forums Talk about Star force:
There is a short and there is a long answer to this question. I'll give you both, starting with the short one: these claims are invented (to be polite).
Onto the long answer. No, Star force doesn’t destroy of prevent the use of other software’s (CD burning, emulation or others). It doesn’t break down your computer, doesn’t spy on your use of a computer, it doesn’t require a web connection (unless in the case of a protected download of course). There was no report of such problems, and the installed base of Star force with Ubisoft games alone is quite enough to be considered a good statistic.
There were problems with the previous protection systems we used, and I don’t think there was such a rant.
So what about all that can be read here and there? That's called a hate campaign. It’s fueled by people who are indeed made angry by the protection, and the only group that is made angry is the crackers.
These are the problems we talk of, and lead to our concerns over Starforce. We have heard of several problems with the software.
As they and their friends are pretty much living online (a quirk I share to some extent), they can be quite effective in spreading rumors. And it seems that many forum readers can be impressed when two or three persons keep repeating the same thing over and over, even if it happens to be false. I'm afraid this is how politics work too.
What does this have to do with here? Would this be saying that what we have heard or experienced is false, or that we are just not believed? I don't understand why this is even here.
I will keep checking problems reported here, but let me just say that I wont break a sweat about false claims, and about crackers and their friends being annoyed.
We don't make false claims here, and we don't talk about or support cracking, so I don't understand why this is here either.
To conclude this part, in order for everyone to get hard facts about Star force, here is a small document on how it works.
Our admins reported that multiple avatars have been created by a single person. This person starts an argument, and then logs with his different avatars to fuel the discussion, and create a seemingly important debate - and, of course, to push his point forward.
I don’t really mind when the subject is minor, although the method is unethical. If you have too much time on your hands, there is certainly more productive than this.
This kind of method seem to have been used again in this discussion on the protection system.
And I don’t consider it, and the way it is presented, to be a minor subject. Dispersing fears and hate is clearly not acceptable, and accounts or IPs will be banned if this is witnessed again.
What has this to do with us? Nobody is making false claims, no one is talking about cracking the protection, as we don't allow talk of cracking or piracy here. So where is this coming from?
Ok thats just a small reply.
I would really like to keep this post to actual facts.
The whole point of this post is to ask specific questions, about the software.
Not to talk about some 3rd party post on some other forum.
Many of which I have read today and are very suspect indeed.
Posting once to complain about software, and only once, and on the same day of becoming a member of said forum.
Very fishy indeed.
I don't see anything in this thread from a brand-new-today, one time poster complaining about the software.
So:
1. If you want to ask a question about the software ASK IT
2. If you have a problem with the software TELL THEM
Colin
What is the point of this post? It seems more like it's just a post complaining about people's concerns. The people who have posted in this thread so far are long-time, respected members of the community.
So why this "dressing-down" post?
It seems to me anyway, like this post was made more to put people on notice than anything else. And it seems like it's a discussion of admin problems from another forum. Why is it here? It really doesn't pertain to the software.
It seems to me that gr.net already has a good set of forum rules, and so far they have been followed by everyone, including the owner who has posted in this thread.
I don't think it was necessary to point out another forum's problems, because we pointed out errors in some posted information.
I apologize, and I mean no insult, but I don't think this post is very productive.
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Ultimately, Windows Vista will not be the evolutionary release that Microsoft first promised, but will rather offer an evolutionary upgrade that rewards your Windows experience and skill and offers concrete and obvious improvements over today's Windows versions. Vista will be more secure and more elegant looking than XP, and will provide a productivity-enhancing shell and a raft of features that most Windows users will find valuable. Blockbuster? I can't say for sure, but it's certainly a bigger upgrade than was XP in its day.
--Paul Thurrott
December 8-23, 2005
The statement I bolded up says it all.
Also, that was my point. Vista is using an updated version of NTFS. One they are still thinking about, or were, releasing for XP.
Vista was supposed to have a new, high performance journaling filesystem like Linux and Unix uses, but MS decided to leave it out.
I read his page.
I will dig up the links from tech republic Will take me a bit though. I have 3500 of them to go through.
A few of the big things like that filesystem we were promised, and have been waiting years for were left out. No surprise that, really.
What really frosts me though, and alot of folks I know, is that to get everything we were promised, we will have to get a second mortgage to get the things that MS did promise, and not all of them at that.
This, like I said before, is just going to be Microsoft's 2006 version of the ME fiasco.\
Eye candy, and not a whole lot more than that, worth paying for.
Smart money stays with XP for a good bit longer.
And just you wait till we all see the prices we will get gouged for this. The gamer and performance enthusiast is going to have to shell out big bucks for the ultimate edition, if they want anything out of their system.
If Microsoft had any decency at all, they would release the so-called Ultimate edition as standard, and the Enterprise Edition for business.
And then of course, we can't forget the whole "Paladium" thing, especially in light of Ms's and MSn's cooperation in turning files, data, and users of to Uncle Sam.
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Why did you have to roll back the OS?
Most of the time, when not a patch or GR issue, it would have to be video or sound drivers.
It looks like you have an nForce based mobo. Have you tried installing the latest Forceware drivers from nVidia?
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No biggie. I'm sure they will get it fixed.
Afterall, Microsoft releases entire OS's with security risks all the time and has to constantly patch them.
I'm sure Google will get the problem solved ASAP.
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In the link justifying Ubisoft's using Starforce (here), right at the start it say...I wont also enter the argument on WHY we use this protection system. Simply put, it’s the best available on the market. It takes weeks or even months to get a barely cracked version of a game, and usually it does not get fully cracked.
... I didn't read any further I am afraid, because the highlighted bit simply is not true, so how could I be sure anything in that piece is true.
I totally agree with you. Not just because it's Ubi that wrote it, but because it's a fact.
It just isn't worth reading, when they can't even print the truth, and that clearly isn't the truth, and I'm sorry, but you can't tell me either that they don't know it's not the truth. I think the truth is, they don't want to admit that the protection scheme that they paid big bucks for just isn't that effective.
And while it's a noble effort for the Starforce guy to come over here and all, there are a couple things he said to Colin, that I find suspect, quoted from Colin's talk with him in post #1 of this thread:
About optical drivers fails - we'v really havent ever reproduce this bug. And same the UBISOFT, and same the other SF partners all over the world.Here, it sounds like he doesn't believe the problem exists, but we have heard of cases of this happening, and not just one or two of us here, like me and WK, there are others. We KNOW that it can be a problem, although it has been a little bit since we heard about it.
Also i have to noticed that UBISOFT already understand how to strike against such forum topics - they'v simple closed it.Simply shutting down a forum topic because someone doesn't like what your product does, or because they disagree with your product because of what it does isn't going to gain you any credibility whatsoever with me, at least.
And, as said in the other Starforce thread by me:
Believe it or not, there are a great deal of people out there that don't even know what it is.Their game or app may not run, but they don't know why, and may not have the inclination or know-how to pursue it and find out why, so they take it back, or throw it away.
This would be a topic that mostly enthusiasts and hardcore tech freaks would talk about.
Joe Public for the most part doesn't even realize that this could be the issue they are having.
The majority of folks don't really pursue boards like this, and spend hours reading up on this stuff.
Heck, even alot of gamers don't know what it is, the only reason that we do, is because we are hounds for tech, and we aren't typical users, if something doesn't work, this crowd here digs until they find out why.
But I find both sources here, both Starforce and Ubi unreliable, because in one thread, they have both been caought out twice in what isn't true, and they have to know it isn't, but they print it anyway.
Highly suspect indeed...
And this:
I purchased a copy of Rainbow Six Lockdown friday last, i noticed on the back of the PC dvd-rom case -NOTICE: This game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict with some DVD-RW and virtual drives. Anyway the game installed without a hitch, starforce logo popped up at the end of game installation, SF asked for a restart of computer, all is well, no major problems. The only thing i noticed is when i have had enough of gaming and i exit the game, back to desktop i can't eject the disc from DVD drive, i have to either wait a few minutes or if i'm in a hurry i have to go to start, click my computer and right click on dvd drive and choose eject, other than that i have no issues with Starforce. Well i'm pleased that starforce had no major issues with my -NEC DVD RW ND-4550A.In my mind, it has no business even altering your drive settings this much, but that is my opinion.
Colin,
while I appreciate the effort you went to to have this gentleman answer some questions for us, and this is not against him personally, the info just isn't credible.
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No, you're right.
But is that really surprising, seeing as how Microsoft owns a big chunk of Apple?
I still can't believe the way the are going to rob us, when they left out all of the things that were supposed to make Vista a decent OS.
They could have at least come up with an original look, since they left out little minor things like the FILESYSTEM.
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anyone know if a dual core proccesor will lighten the load on the CPU overal since its meant for multitasking?
Only if the app that you're running is written to take advantage of more than one core.
Otherwise, it can't.
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As for your comment about cpu's not being able to process physics, I'd disagree. Physics is nothing more than math. Every processor today has enhanced floating point units for math computation.
He's right, Papa.
Our system processors are designed to do everything, but nothing efficiently. Graphics are all math, too. Everything in a computer is all math, so if what you were saying were true, we wouldn't need GPU's either. However, we still need GPU's, processors that are designed to do that math needed for graphics in a way that is most efficient.
I read an article a few years ago by a processor engineer where he talked about exactly this. He said that it would be simple to design a processor to do video encoding at the same rate as our system processors but at 10% of the processing speed, if the proc were designed to do ONLY video encoding.
It's the same thing here -- a processor designed for physics calculations. Our system procs can do it, but NOWHERE near as efficiently as AGEIA's processor.
--Logos
And with all of these multi-core's out now, I can see where it would be possible and a helluva lot more efficient to make it so the additional cores handle this stuff efficiently. There is no reason not to, and why on earth can't the physics software be made to make it more efficiently handled by an additional processor core? After all, that just makes it like having two procs, like adding that physics board, and even though that add-on board is going to handle physics, software still has to tell it to, right? So it all still comes tdown to the software being inefficient.
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Ya know, I have seen some really dumb things in my life...hell, I have done some really dumb things in my life.
But damn.
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Something not smarter than me. Y'know enough to give me an edge over the food-chain.
The problem with going this route would be that you would end up with a dog that you will never be able to house train. We know you still struggle with that aspect, and a dog dumber than you will never be able to grasp the concept.
Damn ! !
p0wned ! !
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But why not do things this way. since we aren't but "just" tapping dual cores, why not thread the physics through the second core? core 1 will do the game and core 2 will process the physics.
No offense, but the reason why not is the exact same reason why you arent going to use the second core instead of a graphics card. Because it cant do it. A CPU isnt optomized for graphics processing, or physics processing. Besides games with multithreading (most new games will have it) are doing something even better. Rather than just using one core for stuff and one for physics, they use both for everything. More efficient use of space that way.
The simple fact is that without this card you wont get what you will have with this card. Not for a long long time anyway. Thats not even up for debate. The question is whether what you get from the card is worth what you pay for the card.
I think it can be done. They are doing it with software now. Anfd I don't think dual core is going to be around long now. I think we are going to see more, and soon. And even so, games still aren't using all of the dual cores, if most games are using both cores at all, which they aren't yet.
THe processor not being able to do it? Yes it can. Super computers do it everyday, and if you think about it, they are nothing more than multi-core processors. THey just need to be told what to do.
And akk that physics card is, is a dedicated processor wqith onboard RAM, nothing more.
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Hmm.
Never installed that stuff for me.
I wonder if there is a difference between the European versions and the US versions and what they install.
It always gives me a choice of what I want to install, and what not. I uncheck everything but the player, and I have never had it install the stuff anyway, after I have told it not to. This is weird.
But I now use Acrobat 7 Professional, as I need it for school, so I don't use the reader DL anymore, since January.
And I might add also that when in Linux(most of the time for everything but games), I don't need Adober at all.
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Well so long as the amount of complaints are that small then I don't see a problem with it myself. So it this Starforce thing isn't so bad afterall then?!
It's really hard to say.
Believe it or not, there are a great deal of people out there that don't even know what it is.
Their game or app may not run, but they don't know why, and may not have the inclination or know-how to pursue it and find out why, so they take it back, or throw it away.
This would be a topic that mostly enthusiasts and hardcore tech freaks would talk about.
Joe Public for the most part doesn't even realize that this could be the issue they are having.
The majority of folks don't really pursue boards like this, and spend hours reading up on this stuff.
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i dunno about that Specter. It seems worth it to me ...
in 2 years your video card will be outdated so what?
things always change, It just depends on what ATI, Nvidia, AMD, and intel do that make the card not worth the price. For the short term thoe it looks worth it.
That's true, and I can see that point of view.
But I got to thinking about what Papa6 said about CPU's, and how now that we have gotten to dual core, that is just the beginning.
I think we're going to see a point now where alot of this extra stuff, especially physics, can be and will start being handles by a core on the processor. Afterall, that's what multiple cores are designed for.
I think in the next 2-4 years, video aside, you are going to see where just about everything is handles by the CPU, and functions are split up amongst the cores.
Look at dual core now. For the most part, that second core sits there idle. Sure, there are a very, very few apps that can utilize multiple cores, but that is changing.
And I think that gaming is going to be one of the first to really utilize the added cores. And why not use the idle one for physics/ It would be better that way. Even having to boost RAM and take advantage of 2-4 GB, even more. That would actually make more sense to spend money on RAM, because almost everything benefits from more RAM these days.
Sure. That add-on physics card might be good now. Maybe. But I think that by the time game developers get onboard with it to the extent that it makes this board a practical purchase worth the expenditure. they will have the games using the other cores on the CPU's for the job, and it will be a moot point.
JMO.
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I don't think that this board will be around long, actually.
Remember the 3D add-on boards, The Monster3D and 3D2?
Then here comes the video cards, and the accelerators no longer needed.
With processors making the advances they are, especially AMD, and physics software, I'm with Papa6. I'll bet that withing 2 years, the proc handles it all. Especially now with multi-cores being the common tool.
I think this Aegia thing is going to be short lived, and therefore not worth the 300.00.
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Greeeeeeeat.
6 versions right out of the gate.
Gee, what will Microsoft think of next?
I hope everyone has deep pockets. Paying for this POS will rival buying a new coe PC.
And the bad thing is, the things that were supposed to make this OS good were left out.
Gamers will have to run out and pay 500.00 or more for the Ultimate Edition, and pay that for a version of XP with make-up. What a rip-off.
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Stranglehold by Ted Nugent, and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap by AC/DC.
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Try re-installing the nVidia Drivers.
If that fails, do a Winblows update, and Update should list the latest core nVidia files for you for XP. DL and apply them. Validation and Genuine Advantage not required for this.
You can try a System Restore, but generally, once the registry has been altered, either by hand or a program like Driver Cleaner, alot of times it won't restore.
If all of this fails, you will be better off popping in your XP CD, do NOT format, and don't use the repair console, but select Repair Current Installation, and it will re-install the XP system files without overwriting what is there, and it will replace what is corrupt or missing.
Of course, it's always better to do a clean install, but this method will do in a pinch.
Where would you find repair current installation? Are talking about booting with xp cd then having repair current installation.
Yeah. Boot to the XP CD. It will do it's thing, installing sdrivers and such. Then it will ask if you want to repair an XP install using the Repair Console. Say no. It will go onto the regular install menu.
Select the partition that you currently have windows on, and tell it to install there. Don't repartition unless you want to, and do NOT format. Just tell it you want to install Winblows on the Winblows partition. It will tell you that there is already an install there, and ask if you would like to repair tht install, or do a new install. Choose repair.
Then it will copy the files like it's doing a new install, and it will run setup like it's doing a new install. Don't let that fool you, it isn't, as long as you didn't tell it not to. The motions are the same for both, once you get past the fdisking and formatting choices.
Once it installs and reboots, everything should be everything. All your files should be there, and your programs, even your OE settings and such, and all of the damaged or missing files will have been replaced.. You may have to re-install Office if you use that, or Dreamweaver, but nothing major.
But please understand, that there is no substitute for a proper fix by clean install.
But this will work, and if it's only something minor your fixing, it's no big deal.
But things like ActiveX problems, missing system files, files that continually go missing, don't fool with it, it will just ###### you off. Just spend the hour and a half and do a clean install. Major DirectX problems are also best fixed with a clean install, as DirectX is married to the kernel of the OS once it's installed.
Need any help man, look me up.
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Spectre's Driver Install/Uninstall Guide
Here's what I do, and it never fails.
1) Add/Remove Programs, and remove the driver.
2) Go to your C: drive, and either in the root, or in Program Files, delete any folders there that pertain to your drivers. ATI is particularly sticky about leaving the folder there, even after Driver Cleaner. Doesn't happen every time, but it does happen. I haven't had that happen with Nvidia yet.
(3) Run Driver Cleaner, and very importantly, only delete the files that have to do with the hardware you are changing. Nothing else. This is especially important to watch with nForce motherboards, as if you go and select all nVidia selcetions like you would do normally, you can wipe out all of your mobo drivers. I know you know this, but others may not. Because Driver Cleaner, or RegCleaner(I do mine manually. I don't like other programs like that messing with my Registry. Some folks swear by them, and that's cool. I just don't like them, and I've had to fix alot of PC's where people were told to use those proggies, but not how, and after the proggie scanned, they did it like a Spyware proggie and checkmarked everything for deletion. I'd really rather walk someone through a quick Regedit, than have to clean up a mess like that. But that's my personal choice.), any of those will pull up any and all entries having to do with nVidia...IE NIC, Northbridge, Southbridge, SATA, nForce sound, RAID drivers, GART drivers, etc. SO READ BEFORE YOU REMOVE ! ! DOUBLE CHECK ! !
(4) Shutdown PC for 15 seconds and reboot. (Do Not skip.)
(5) Before you install the new drivers, make sure your temp folder is empty, and to be safe, I empty my Prefetch folder as well. Then I check my System32 folder. To do this, Right Click up where it says Filename, and select More. Move the slider to the bottom and check the box next to Company. Then scroll through and check for any Nvidia or ATI entries, whichever you happen to be looking to axe. JUST REMEMBER: IF USING AN nForce MOBO, TO BE CAREFUL, AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DELETING.
(6) Open up Regedit. Go up to File, and choose Export, and back your Registry up to a safe place. MUI IMPORTANTE ! ! DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP ! ! The backup can be double clicked in Safe Mode if a mistke is made and restored.
(7) Go to HKEY Local Machine/Software/ and look for ATI or nVidia folders. IF you see them, delete them by right clicking and choosing delete. Then go to HKEY Local User/Software, and do the same thing. JUST REMEMBER MY WARNING ABOUT nForce MOBOS.
(8) Close Regedit, shutdown for 15 seconds if you made any changes in the Registry(if no changes to Registry, skip reboot), and reboot. Install new Drivers, shutdown for 15 seconds and reboot. Everything should be flawless.
I know it looks like a drawn out process, but it really isn't. It takes me 7 minutes or less. And it's worth it, especially with ATI drivers.
It's a bit of extra effort, but nothing monstrous, and it pretty much guarantees a clean driver installation that will give you no issues, unless the drivers are bad.
The above is also a good practice to follow with sound cards.
I hope this helps.
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I received this warning from a friend via email.
I can't vouch for it's validity, but thought I'd share it anyway. It sounds plausible.