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#1 tom1935

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:14 AM

First, I am not a cheater and am new to playing multiplayer graw2 games. It is my belief that cheaters actually have NO competitive nature about them, probably in the games and real life, that is why they cheat. What kind of feeling do you get cheating? Let me explain some cheating I have experienced and really believe there is very little skill or stratigy. Example: 1) A guy was approaching me knowing I could not kill him, I kept firing and within a few feet I finally got him by firing around his head, arms and legs, 2) A guy was behind a junk van, I was within 30 feet, could not see him and there were a few of my team and myself firing at the van and without ever seeing him, everyone firing at the van was sent to re-spawning, (3) a guy jumped from behind a rock, one shot, hitting me, all within less than a second, this is impossible, and 4) the same guy, no matter where I am (very smart to be able to follow me) and I get shot without ever seeing him, and lastly 5) I positioned myself close to a spawing/respawinging area and was picking people off, getting wise, two guys re-spawned and immediately went underground with only a small portior of thier torso visible, giving them time to locate me and one shot, I'm a gone dead..

I have heard that some can cheat by burying themselve inside building and poking the gun thru the wall and killing everyone, but nobody can get them, cheating

Ok, everybody, convience me this is all talent and not cheating!!! If its all talent, then I will do what it takes to compete, But I will not cheat!!!

Thanks for any conversations on this situation.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:04 AM

What you describe sounds for the most part like cheating, but you have to be VERY careful with accusations. For example, I was accused of cheating only this week in a ingame-chat, but I've never cheated online once in my whole gaming career!

So it is best to concentrate on being the best you can, and ignore the cheaters, they just drag you down.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:35 AM

What you discribe seems to be some mean cheating.

As rocky already mentioned: BE CAREFUL WITH ACCUSATIONS!
GRAW2 is a wierd game. I often survived situations where i had to be dead already. But i was still alive without any bars of health left.
Independet from your movement the first shot out of a move i.e. sliding, will hit where the crosshair (the coloured dot) is shown.

Graw2 Player vs. Player Multiplayer is full of cheaters. Some of them are faster than "Speedy Gonzales", some are eating bullits like donuts and some freaks make use of a M99 that is spitting bullits like a MK46 ... thats why i left the PvsP Multiplayer and switched to coop.

Personal experience with cheating:
Since i cheated in Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2, to grind with unlimmited balance, 11 years ago i never tried again.
That ruined the whole gameplay and i spend the money into the game for nothing. :(

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:36 AM

If you want to witness cheaters try playing battlefield 2 bad company I have been surprised by the amount of games I have played when I have been killed in a suspicious way only for the purpitrator to get kicked for using an aimbot or hack etc the depressing part is that there seems to be no end to the amount of players doing it. :angry:

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:41 PM

Thanks for your reply's guys (gals?). I am not making accusations directly at any one by naming players, I just want to enjoy the game and not be the one at the top of the list getting killed and at the bottom of the list killing the enemy. I'm sure the team I'm on just says "OH NO, NOT THAT GUY AGAIN JOINING US!!". Mostly I'm on the loosing team because of me, I think.

I'm not trying to stir things up, just trying to get information from those who cheat and their mind set, this is a game to be enjoyed by everyone. I've built my own powerful computer and have a beautiful 32" hi-def tv/monitor in front of me to help be able to see the enemy. Doesn't help very much against these cheats.

I'd like to hear more from the gamers, please?

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

i only cheat in single player and thats only if there is a part i am really REALLY stuck on. but on multiplayer, cheaters are losers, but i think the real idiots are the servers, you should be able to report a cheater or a glitcher to the server and get them banned instantly. as for you losing the game, don't target just the suspected cheats, if you find yourself in the presence of a cheat then just turn the other way and play against non cheaters
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:04 PM

What do the pings tell you? What does it mean when someone has 0 pings, 33 enemy kills and 0 times getting killed?

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:50 PM

The ping tells you how good your connection is to the server. If you have a high ping (anything over 200) you will probably experience some lag in game play because of the bad connection speed. If a person has a "0" ping it means that they are hosting the server and their connection speed is essentially 0 or "instant". They will have a huge advantage in speed. I usually look for servers which I can have a low ping on (150 or lower). Your quality of game play will be much better. It is also a good idea to set your graphics card settings and in game graphics settings pretty low. That will give your processor more memory to work with and will reduce lag.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 12:48 AM

I had no idea what the pings were, I'll set my graphics card to low settings, I guess you are meaning less resolution and refresh time?

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:28 AM

you should be able to report a cheater or a glitcher to the server and get them banned instantly


Problem is you can ban the info you have on the cheater. The cheater then gets a new IP, or spoofs the hardware ID. You will never remove a determined cheater.

Play in recognised servers. Always keep a note of anything unusual, and contact others, by other means if anything unusual. Reporting cheaters on the forums, only makes them feel good. Is all in life they have.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:30 AM

I had no idea what the pings were, I'll set my graphics card to low settings, I guess you are meaning less resolution and refresh time?

Go to Options>video and click on show advanced options.
There will be more to adjust.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 11:21 AM

Problem is you can ban the info you have on the cheater. The cheater then gets a new IP, or spoofs the hardware ID. You will never remove a determined cheater.

Play in recognised servers. Always keep a note of anything unusual, and contact others, by other means if anything unusual. Reporting cheaters on the forums, only makes them feel good. Is all in life they have.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 03:43 PM

seems to me that the servers can police their own site. Why can't you see the out of ordinary kill counts as a problem? Last night, I saw the same situation where the enemy was hid behind or embedded in the van outside our spawn/re-spawn area. No mater what anyone did, you could not get rid of that person. Several team menbers were attacting the truck firing as fast as they could and they all were hit, this went on for a while until the game ended. That person had 50 kills, not even close to the next person with a lot fewer kills.

Also, I came around the corner of a building and there was an enemy with his back to me, he was loaded with all kinds of stuff on him, I quickly took aim BUT he turned and put a weapon in his hand and fired instantly, getting me? WOW, very good reflects, or was it?

One of my team mates I was following, he was running, suddenly stopped, took out something small to view thru, and then moved on...was this a small heat sensor? If so, where can I get one legally!

Most of my playing time is the sites "nowhere", I do this so as to learn the good hiding places to pick people off. This method gets you very little kills and you don't get killed as often, expecially when compared to those who just run around continually, killing lots and getting killed some. Most of the time these individuals will out shoot me, better weapons than those presented for me to choose from?

Enought today, keep it coming everyone, I am enjoying these discussions.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 11:19 AM

the only thing i can really suggest is by the sounds of things you know the places, but you seem to be (no offence) predictable so here it goes:
seek, cover, shoot, move
if you see an adversary dive to cover, poke your head out, kill them, and move position. if they know where you are, there is a VERY high chance you will get killed easier, be unpredictable, dont have a 'routine' because the enemy will get to know that routine and follow you. if the cheaters go to the same place, avoid that place or work around it, if they want to cheat, dont give them the satifaction of the kills by trying to get them down.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:06 PM

Hi Zeealex, thanks for your info, being new at this, I can use all the help I can get, your information is some of what I do, but I probably am predictable. I do have a problem of my team mates trying to continually kill that person suspected to be embedded in the junk van. I hid myself just to the point I couldn't see the van and just watched, and the team mates just kept spawning back and the van is right there and kept trying to get him. It would be easy for them to move on, so I agree, stop doing that. My hope was to draw him out by firing at the vicinity of the front of the van, it worked except I couldn' hit him, he only did that once and never appeared again, so I moved on.

My previous post, I mentioned a person was packed down with stuff, and was able to spin 180 degrees, put a weapon in his hand and fire in a spit second. He beat me although I was only about 30 feet behind him. I am no slouch as far as reflexes, but no match for this. I speeded my mouse up and practiced spinning like that and it too a few swipes of the mouse to get turned 180 degrees. I am sure that person had something special, was it legitament?

Thanks for responding, hope to hear more...

Tom




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