[The_Slink]

Tollen, on Feb 6 2003, 15:50 PM, said:

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Lol. I have not idea actually. I only played around and it worked.  So you'll just have to wait for SF v1.4 to see it I guess becouse I don't know what I did.

Hmmm.... CTRL-C, CTRL-V........
I will keep on with my experiments... might be something i missed.

Can't wait for this Tollen.

Thanks for the help Wolfsong.

[Tollen]

I think I will just lay down and die...
As I said, I have to CTRL-C, CTRL-V Wolfsongs files and se how he´s been able to pull this of.

[Ghostrider]

Hi Guys

I've seen this tactic used on the movies. Looks easy and effective. Doesn't work in real life. Blasting a hinge off a door is more difficult than you would think. assuming you know the constuction of the door exact location of the hinges, dead bolts etc. etc.
If you miss, or it doesn't work you are compromised. Interior walls (and some exterior) generally will not stop bullets as the world saw during recent footage from the US.
The best way to remove a door is by a blasting charge, pre-prepared to the door size, using the absolute minimum amount of explosive req. Det cord can be quite effective. 1 shot guaranteed.

Cheers

Ghostrider

[Tollen]

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Hi Guys

I've seen this tactic used on the movies. Looks easy and effective. Doesn't work in real life. Blasting a hinge off a door is more difficult than you would think. assuming you know the constuction of the door exact location of the hinges, dead bolts etc. etc.
If you miss, or it doesn't work you are compromised. Interior walls (and some exterior) generally will not stop bullets as the world saw during recent footage from the US.
The best way to remove a door is by a blasting charge, pre-prepared to the door size, using the absolute minimum amount of explosive req. Det cord can be quite effective. 1 shot guaranteed.

Cheers

Ghostrider

But the Britts have had some documented succes of there own so called "Hatting" round. But shure, the dead bolts and the hinges are a big problem, but on a regular old door, then you often only need a blast at the lock from a 45 degree angel and then just kick.
`Cause as long as the lock doesnt retract/drive bolts through the top and bottom of the door, then it´s acceptable. And thus, I want it in GR.

But your right, shapedcharge-frames are the most effective way of doing it.
But there is also some other breaches out there.
Have you heard of the Rafaele-round? or perhaps of U.S. Marines improvised "coffecan-knocker"?
But I don´t know how any one could model those...

This post has been edited by Tollen: 10 February 2003 - 01:09 PM

[Ghostrider]

Hi Tollen

Not heard of the rounds you mention. Although I don't doubt for a moment you are right. It's been almost 20 years since I left the forces. Just reminiscing more than anything

We tried solid shot and various other rounds with very limited success. 'Course if their are no friendlies on the other side then base your charge size on the P principal 'Think of a number, then double it and add 'P'............................
for plenty!'


Ghostrider

[Tollen]

What service was that? (Just curious)
And yes, still you use the P-principle for wallbreaching (under a window with a radiator, yhummie....)

This post has been edited by Tollen: 11 February 2003 - 10:08 AM

[Viper]

I have herd of the Masterkey door breaching round, although the name has generaly been given to the Remington 870 shotgun for the M-4. It is mostly gunpowder and aluminum powder, supposedly when it hit the lock the powder disperse within it and detonates, blowing apart the lock. You would have to repeat this process for any deadbolts ect… But I have herd to SEAL teams suing shotguns with this round, they put one on the chamber, and the rest buckshot, they blow the door, give it a good kick, and their ready to blow away people with the shotgun.

CLARK

[The_Slink]

Tollen, on Feb 10 2003, 15:12 , said:

But there is also some other breaches out there.
Have you heard of the Rafaele-round? or perhaps of U.S. Marines improvised "coffecan-knocker"?

How do they work?

[Tollen]

Thank you Viper. Didn´t know about that one.

@The_Slink
The Rafaele round is more or less a riflefired grenade thats design to break down the door. You need to have "blank"-cartridge (some form of ejection-round) that fires of the Rafaele .

The coffe-knocker is a bit of a homemade device. It´s a coffe-tincan, sawed of in the middle (along the axis of the can), fileld with som explosive (a string of Pentyl is said to be enough) and then you place a bag of Sahlene (don´t know if its the right name, but its basicly a saltwaterbag that you use to when you are giving fluid as a dripp (on hospitals, to wounded and such))

Then you just tape the package and place it a the door (with glue or sticky-tape). The waterbag will just knock down the door, the force of explosion will go mostly to the open side of the coffecan (which you taped) and the risk of fire is minimized (just saltwater you know).

One thing thou: I haven´t used this my self so I can´t gaurantee that I got everything right in the description (or maybe it´s just a hoax).

This post has been edited by Tollen: 16 February 2003 - 10:16 AM

[The_Slink]

Tollen, on Feb 16 2003, 12:18 , said:

The Rafaele round is more or less a riflefired grenade thats design to break down the door. You need to have "blank"-cartridge (some form of ejection-round) that fires of the Rafaele

Thanks.

So you basically shoot that long stick at the door and it gets taken out? Is there an explosive charge in it or something?

[Tollen]

Yes. Its an explosive breach.

I don´t know however how effective it is, but if the israelis use it...

[The_Slink]

Tollen, on Feb 19 2003, 12:10 , said:

Yes. Its an explosive breach.

I don´t know however how effective it is, but if the israelis use it...

then it should work. Cool. Can anyone make one of these? Or will it still be on the end?

[Tollen]

Then you would probably have more use of a team mate with the M203.
The point with the dynamic shotgunbreach is that its minimizes teamkills and that you are able to defend yourself and/or start killing people the same second your through the door.

[The_Slink]

So will it stay there or will fly off?

[Tollen]

It´s a rifle fired grenade-thing so it will defiently fly away. Aparently, first it will knock through the door, and then blow it of the hinges and locks...